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| Snake Eyes |
| haseeb-exotic 1-1-2004 |
with the new year just starting , dodge launched the viper SRT-10 in the u.a.e. on the first of January 2004. the starting price is 330,000 dirhams [around double that of the viper] which is not too expensive. the new styling is better than the older one. i have seen the old viper up close in pakistan & it is a great car of its time. ive read most of the cooments & most people are judging the car without seeing or driving it. im not an expert in american cars but i dont know is why is it is that just bcoz the viper has more power the vette is loathed. first of all both cars are good & of different categories - the viper is made for speed & power whereas the vette is made for driving pleasure. even though competition is important , the car's individually is also important. that goes for all cars. then there's also the fact that different people have different tastes so even if the viper thrashes the vette some people wud still buy a vette coz they may like it better. the viper is a fantastic car with impressive power but 8 litres is too much. for the price of 330,000 dhs id rather have a viper than the 500,000 dhs ford GT. |
| old one is better |
| Superdude 29-8-2003 |
I haven't read all the comments on this car (too damn many), but i don't think i'm the only one who thinks this. THE OLD VIPER IS BETTER!!!!! you know why? because it was a real man's car. When first ones came, it was basically a motor and a body with wheels. They didn't have radios, air bags, side windows, i'm pretty sure there weren't any catalyists, not many emissions sensors, properly postitioned pedals, hell, they didn't even have door handles!!!. As the years went by it refined, but not much. in 2002, when the style was dropped, it had door handles, MUCH more power, ABS, airbags (side airbags optional), and a fixed roof (the soft top had a habit of coming coming off at high speed), and i think a radio. And the car was very difficult to drive. It was diffult to launch without some wheelspin (even at low speeds) it would spin easily coming out corners if weren't sure what you were doing (even some of the finest drivers had difficulty driving. But after a little bit of practice, this car could fly man! And it was a blast to drive. It was one of those cars whose respect you had to earn before setting lap records. Much like the older cars of the 60's. The new is a wussy car. I mean look at the styling it's been refined!! I know those are strange reasons, but the viper was meant to be a viper. No refinement at all, just pure, unbridled, potential. (i think the same way about the hummer H2 and the H1.) |
| funny |
| wasabi 19-8-2003 |
what i find funny (before it gets a bit annoying) is that a lot of the things here are said by kids who read magazines and know nothing about how a real car handles. all they see is numbers and judge everything on that. i have driven 105 hp cars, 280 hp cars and even a 390 hp car. all i can say is that the one i had the most fun in is probably the 105hp car because it meant i has to rely on my skill to keep it fast. i've cruised with M3s, porches, lotus' on motorways at 110 mph with that little toyota and i've annoyed the hell out of a lot guys with much bigger cars with it on normal roads. numbers mean nothing. turbos mean nothing. if i was inclined to, i could wedge a 2.0litre engine the toyota (i've measured...) and strap on a couple of turbos for about 350hp (this in a car that weighs 870kg) but what be the fun in that? |
| OH MY! |
| iceman23 5-8-2003 |
"Well, I'm certainly entertained by the posts by Mr. Hennessey_1000TT. I can tell he knows nothing by anything he says. Unlike certain posers, I've posted on here before about my friend owning a Venom 800TT and how bad of a mofu car it is. I dind't honestly think there could be any better, UNTIL the 1000TT came out. I'm gonna address the miscommunication by Hennessey_1000TT before I go any further. See, when you own a Venom 800, you are first in knowing when a new kit is released and you're invited to testing grounds of the latest improvements. It a bunch os BS saying there are only 28 Venom 1000s made each year, because there is no limit. As long as the kits are available, you can get as many as you want. The true horsepower read out of the Venom 1000 is 1,123 hp at the rear wheels, not 1,355. The max speed is approx right, it hasn't changed much from the 293mph record hit by the Venom 800. I don't know what crack you're smoking. A ""titanium"" body?! It's not a McClaren. No need to put gold lining in the engine wells and make it a space shuttle there skippy. You speak as if the Venom 1000 is a specially made car, but it's not. It's an uprgrade on a stock car made by Dodge. Nothing is specially added to the body or interior, but a few tags and maybe some minor customizations. The Venom 1000's take off is actually faster than a Boeing 747. It has a recorded acceleration of 0-60 in 1.8 seconds. The color is nothing special. the tested car was silver. Plain stock silver from a 2001 Viper GTS coupe. The price tag is also not $316,000. That's incredibly ludicris. It's about $170,000 after the cost of the car and taxes. I'm sitting here also laughing at the fact that you said it's as fast as an F-22 taking off. lol Or even an F-18 at 15,000 feet. Me being a pilot in the Marines training to fly those planes you're talking about adds to the humor. Considering the planes take off between 200-250mph on initial lift off. And the cruising speed of an F-18 at 15k feet is only about 300mph. And just about everything you said about the Vette was ignorant. I won't even go there. But there, I hope that clears some things up for you. And anyoen else who wanted to know. Any questions...just ask." |
| Ai Caramba !!!!! |
| Dodge Man 12-7-2003 |
Amazing, thats just it, It taked a long time before their was a new one but thats while ok if you see the latest version. It looks arent so agressive as the first one but that dusent maters. About his engine than, 506 Hp that is not so crazy but its ennof, 8.7 litres is just incredible. His interior is also great, a hope that the car comes to Europe so I can buy him. |
| [SNIFF]..........I SMELL BURNT RUBBER!!! |
| impulse_256 24-6-2003 |
This car would do a great burnout. Well........at any rate, Dodge has obviously chosen the path of pure engine capacity (cu. inches) as opposed to modern day technology, to make this car blow away its competition. Even few modern day exotics hold a candle to this save the Ferrari 575M, 360 CS, Lambo Murcielago. Would love to see this v.s. a Lamborghini Gallardo. Should be interesting. I can't wait for the coupe to be released. |
| New Viper |
| Viperfreak 15-6-2003 |
I have always liked vipers more than any other car. I really like the new one, it is just as good or better than the old one.But I still think it is a shame they had to get rid of the old ones. This car has good but not the best perfomance ever but I dont think thats a big deal. I would do almost anything for this car. It has good speed, power, handiling, and interier. |
| Porky pies (lies) |
| Supercharged 14-6-2003 |
hmmm...... a 2300bhp, 484mph corvette, u'll forgive me mr hennessey_100tt if i dont beleive u (i forgot to take my stupid pills this mornin lol). Dude wot hav u been smokin (looks like the effects of class A skunk!) Oh and i jus love the name.... Dragonetic HammerVette,wow very imaginative!! where did u think of that title?! (been watchin too much cartoon network again?).......hmm i suppose next ur gonna tell us about ur new 6000bhp, 900mph corvette called the dragonite-hyper-evil-venom-megavette??? |
| Sledgehammer ROX! |
| Hennessey_1000TT 3-5-2003 |
YO sup ya'll , i gave a Commentary about my 1000TT and now here this about my sledgehammer Corvette, there are only 5 left in the market. mine is N0.3, It is the fastest Model of its kind. Its called the Dragonetic HammerVette. The seats are fully leathered two-toned. And the car had done 230km/h btw. It cost me 610.000USD, i bought it from an old exotic dealer in Seattle. It has a max-Horsepower of 1700Hp and up to 2300Hp with NOS. If you use NOS you get a top speed of 485Mp/h or 776 Km/h , You will need a Race Fuel Ignition, A Suction Helmet so, you dont dislocate you bones because of the pressure and emergency brakes. The car is as fast as a F18 Hornet at an altitude of 15000Ft. When you buy the car they tell you of a possible 6th edition going for the Z07 in 2005 . So watch out and save some cash for the breath-taker. |
| numbers |
| wasabi 20-4-2003 |
"come on guys, pure numbers does not a good car make. if it did then all the manufacturers out there would spend their time boring out their cylinders and strapping on turbos (as well as other little touches). the point is a car is meant to be used, day to day without you fearing for your life or worrying about the engine spitting out little bits of metal. to all of this talk of vipers with god knows however much bhp that can do 0-60 in whatever time; my simple question is so what? how does the car work in the real world where 0-60 doesn't matter? how does it turn at high speeds? how does it stop when you need to? i say if you're gonna compare cars, put them all on a track with semi decent drivers and see who wins." |
| Viper SRT-10-Ostentatious, New Charger 5.7 Hemi/RT for the M |
| markhp48g 16-4-2003 |
The Viper in any form is impractical & obtainable only by ostentatious dipsh..., therefore not a valid representative as an affordable American Muscle Car. The Vette is not much better in this regard, since it too is beyound the monetary scope of sports car buyers, now that the Camaro/Firebird are gone. The Stang is pretty good, especially the Bullit edition, but it needs a stablemate & that void could be filled by the upcoming 04-05 Charger with Chryco's simple but brutally stout 5.7 Hemi & possibly if rumors are correct: a 372-383 cube version(6.1-6.3L or thereabouts). The Rising Sun Rickshaws, save for the Z, don't stir my soul in the least, since they lack enduring character & possess that damn Reptilean Personification, which means they ALL look alike from 500 feet. A distinctive big fendered V8 5.7 Hemi/RT Charger at $25K with just AC & good audio, both under the dash & hood-complete with black vinyl, would be greeted by open arms by this guy & a boatload of others. Oh yeah, in its favor, the Viper makes a great HotWeels piece though-I've got several-MLH engineer |
| Dodge Viper Hennesey Venom 1000TT |
| Hennessey_1000TT 23-3-2003 |
YO Guyz, A few days ago i purchased the fastest Street-Legal Racing car ever. The Dodge Viper 2002 Final Edition Hennessey Venom 1000TT, only 28 are made per year. With 1355HP and a max speed of 295.2Mph or 480km/h it really can blow off the limit. The Titanium And Aluminum Body keep you in a Luxurious harmony no matter what speed you go. The Sound of the Torquey Engine is really nice. The seats are Exclusivley Designed and Embroidered with the Highest 2-TONE Leather Luxuries. The car is as fast as a Boeing 777-300 at the final point of Taking off. That Is Fast! The Exterior color is A Pearlscent White color Specially Designed, you wont be able to find it on a normal Viper! The Price though mite be kinda noggy for some people, at USD$ 316.000 which can Buy 4 Brand New 2003 model SRT-10's . Last Night i tried Nitrous-Oxide System on my car , it cost me 3200$ for the overall cost including Race-Fuel. It Increased my Cars HorsePower for 1355Hp to 1800Hp, and the top speed Exceeded 335Mph or 550 km/h that is as fast as a F-22 USAF taking off. MAN THAT IS SLICK AND INSANE, BUT HEY ITS GOOD TO HAVE A CAR THAT HAS AN ENGINE OF Shuttle, HAHA. Lotto Tickets Anyone!? |
| Imortal Overlord |
| iceman23 17-3-2003 |
"I don't know if you missed my earlier post about the Viper, but my friend actually has a 2001 Venom 800. And we've surpassed the 0-60 in 2.4 second time and the ? mile time as well. Just last saturday we had our best ? mile time ever with 8.548 and we have a flat 2 seconds now for 0-60. I also think we've proven it has a higher top speed than 240+ which is the last estimation I heard because we were doing approx 222mph in 5th gear at 5500 rpms and considering you shift at about 6500 and you still have a gear, I'd say well over 240 is a good estimation. We haven't had any shutoffs yet, so that's good. I've never heard of this ""sledgehammer Vette"", but I will tell you that Hennessey has a Venom 900 or 1000 in the works, but not much word on it yet. People who buy the Venom packages always get first word on that stuff, so we know about it. It's reported to have a 1,099hp engine. THAT is sick. That is insane!" |
| You know what your talking about ice man |
| ImortalOverlord 13-3-2003 |
The viper is super sick, but the sledgehammer vett is faster and more powerful unfortunatly. Although the viper has more torque and looks sooooooooo much better. the fact of the matter is the vett is better, and being a viper fan I think Mr.Hennessey should put togethar a new sicker than ever befor(if its possable) viper that can smoke any vett and becom the new fastest car in the world.I cant think of how you could do this though the viper can go from 0-60 in 2.4 sec and do a quarter mile in 9.0 sec flat.833 bhp isnt exactly low and you can get crushed into your seat when you put your foot on the peddle with 950 lbs ft of torque.Oh yah and the extrem 237 mph top speed.Now that ladies and gentelmen is just plain SICK! |
| amen blacksunshine!! |
| iceman23 12-3-2003 |
And I totally agree with you too! :) Let's face it, the Corvette is nothing but a Camaro with a little more displacement and horsepower. The Viper, however, was made for one reason and one reason only....to put Mopar back on top as the powerhouse in ultimate muscle again. Let's take a look back in history with the AAR Cuda, the 440 Charger R/T and so on. Of course the Vette has better handling, it's not hard when it's engine is half the size and it weighs like 800lbs less than a Viper, but handling alone doesn't win races. A Huffy bicycle has better handling than a Vette. lol Bottom line, the numbers show the winner and that would be the Viper in almost all categories and it only improves every year for all of us humble fans and enthusiasts. Now, only imagine if the Viper weighed the same as the Vette with all the same stuff it currently has....mmmmm. The car is just a sweet piece of an automobile! Dodge Viper - Strikes fast, bites hard, never let's go! |
| thanks |
| BlackSunshine 1-3-2003 |
thanks for the back up iceman, I agree whole heartedly with the comment about handeling. It's all about the skill of the guy behind the wheal. If you have the skill, the limits of the viper are far beyond those of any vette. You just gotta have balls big enough, and senses sharp enough, to reach em. |
| everything may better but |
| motorhead 1-3-2003 |
every single thing that has got to do with the car has its prices gome up. Lets start with the handling first. Yes the old car was very oversteery and it was quite difficult to control the oversteer but it was not crazy and its power was manic but the car had little dramas. Then came the 2003 car with tyres the size and thickness of a mini cooper and has a pricetag of a second hand fiat punto or something like that. Its tyres now are so big and have nonsensical profile numbers that the tyres literally stick to the ground like the stongest superglue you can find on the shelfs of a hardware shop. All that power is kept under control and it is not hestarical and actually quite easy to drive. It still does not have traction and i think if hennessy does anything to the new car i think the power is going to be crazy because nowdays horse power is now going up and up and up and up and up. Good job on the new car but will be a winner, that is not likely!!! |
| I'm a bit late, but to blacksunshine and whoever else.... |
| iceman23 1-3-2003 |
"Let me be the first to speak for first hand experience in being inside a Dodge Viper Venom 800TT. The only thing I can even compare the power to, is the acceleration of a Boeing 747 on takeoff. It has a gravity force rating of 1.1gs and if anyone knows anything about cars, or fighter planes for that matter, that's insane for a car. I have a friend who has the pleasure of owning a Venom 800 and that's is one FINE car. I will give props to Dodge and Hennessey anyday. I will also say there is NO CAR (street legal) on this planet that can compare. My friend has proved it quite often against cars like the ZO6, Murci�lago, Diablo, F50 and even a Ducati motorcycle. I'm not sure of the actual top speed of this car, but I myself have experienced approx. 222mph and we were in 5th gear at about 5500rpm with a gear to go. And anyone who has driven a Viper knows that the 6th gear is a very small gear. But to settle argument, if it's still in place, the Motor Trend tests *were* done in the rain as it is plainly stated and my friend has reportedly hit 0-60 in 2 seconds flat and he can also run the strip in 8 something. These aren't the numbers posted by Motor Trend's drivers, but I guess some drivers are just better. ;) Also that is available in the June 2001 issue of the magazine. My friend also owns the 2002 ZO6(he's rich...lol) and he will tell you that the ZO6 can't compare to the Viper and all this talk about the Viper having worse handling and all that crap means nothing. It's all about who's behind the wheel and their skills as a driver. The new 2003 version, however, has been upgraded to more and less. It has more power, more tourque and more spunk yet less instability and less handling problems. Any challenges that would like to be made to my friend he said he would gladly accept. Civics, NSXs, Supras, Vette's, Skylines...some of these even with as much as 400hp worth of NOS haven't yet touched his Venom on a strip or road. Now, his Venom is of course a 2001 model GTS upgraded, but the 2003 SRT10 is an even better car and I can't even imagine those upgrades on the new SRT10, but I think we're gonna be finding out soon according to plans. And just to add, I'm not sure what magazine it was in, maybe someone can tell me, because I can't remember, but there was an overall performance rating for 2003 and the Viper SRT10 was #1, the ZO6 #2, the Supra #3 and the Eclipse #4...yes I know weird cars to have in the top 5 or 4 for this matter, but that's how it was. The Dodge Viper is and always will be the UNDISPUTED king of American sports/muscle/super cars. This year, Chrysler created the PVO team. The sole purpose for this production team was to create the highest performing cars in every class they belong to. Take the new Dodge Neon SRT-4 for instance....2003's Sport Compact car of the year. This is actually a sweet little car. 0-60 in 5.8 seconds with a turbocharged 4cyl pushing 223hp at the wheels.(http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0302scc_neon/) Then we also have the up and coming Dodge Ram SRT which is basically a Viper in the form of a truck. And the most staggering of them all....the Tomahawk and if you haven't read about the Tomahawk, go to the the Dodge site and do so. It's a motorcycle with a Viper engine that does 0-60 in 2.5 secs and has a top speed of 300+mph. INSANITY BOYS AND GIRLS..INSANITY!!!" |
| Venom is in my veins |
| Bookstud14 24-2-2003 |
This car is truly beautiful. While the Viper has only been around for a short time, it has come up in the world faster than any other car, and I have backed it up all the way. When you step behind the wheel of this car, it is like grabbing a bull by the horns. Although it's form is menacing, it hides a triple threat: 500 bhp, 525 ft.lbs. of torque, and 505 ci. This Rough Rider reshapes the way we think of cars. A true American idol! |
| The new Viper V.S. the new Vett |
| ImortalOverlord 20-2-2003 |
There are a lot of people out there that like vipers and a lot of people that like vetts, but there is always that question about what one is better.This question has been around pretty much throught the 90's.I dont understand what is so difficult about the answer.THE VIPER IS BETTER.If you look at the statistics you can see why the viper is better: 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 2003 Chevorlett Corvett Zo6 Top speed : (est)200mph : 177mph Power : 500bhp : 425bhp 0-60 : 3.9 sec. : 4.0 sec. 1/4 mile : 12.00 sec. : 12.3 sec. Although the vett has a better power/weight ratio the viper makes up for it with its awsome power. |
| Snazzy! |
| sid 11-2-2003 |
When i saw the Competition Coupe, i just couldn't think of any other car 2 match it, but the SRT-10 rocks! A V-10 car is atleast more sensible than a bike. Gawd, how weird can they get. even though it is a 8.277 liter, it's still quite good cause hearing the name 'Dodge' gives me the sense of power & prestigue, 2 some extent. Congrats 2 all the people involved in making the car a BEAUTY! |
| enough power!!! |
| civic 13-1-2003 |
"i had read some of the comments and already find out that there are some people who doesn?t know something about engines! a viper engine is nothing else like a ""truck"" engine(which was redesigned from lamborghini for the concept car ""viper"" in 1988). it was not built for performence. no! it was built for FORCE! NM (Newton x Metre). a civic type r has about 115bhp/l BUT, when you want to have a kick in the seat you have to shift the gear from the 4th to the second gear! in the viper the only thing that you have to do is: give more gas! belive me, when you are driving with the 4th gear with only 1500 rpm and you put the gas down with your feet, it will KICK you into the seat that a type r can only dream about that!this car doesn?t need more power because it has power enough to blow up some v12 cars with the same hp! if you are good then you had notice something about the felloe. the car needs 6 screws for one felloe! and do you know why? i say it to you: 712NM torque!!without turbos and supercharges! a displacement about 8277ccm! i never saw so much power in another sportscarlike ferrari or else! because a ferrari is not built for torque! you could say everything but a viper is a viper and will ever be a viper. it?s a real MUSCLE CAR!!!""" |
| To Blacksunshine |
| white_rabbit 10-1-2003 |
Yes i already new wut u just said, and yes the stealth is the same car as the mitsu 3000gt, just a slightly different body, so don't think i don't know n e thing |
| import vs. domestic |
| BlackSunshine 8-1-2003 |
"Yes the Acura Integra is a Japanese car. But if I were you I wouldn't make fun of him for the mistake. It's not a hard thing to asume, after all, I bet you think your dad's stealth is an American car. Well I hate to dissapoint you, but it's not. You see, the Integra (and the the stealth) are actually, both assembled in the united states. But place of assembly has jack to do with country of origin. You see, what determines a cars nationality (or what ever ya wanna call it) is not where it's put together, but where 50% or more of the parts were produced. Which is why many Toyota's, Nissan's, & Hondas are in fact forighn car but still ""made in america"" so to speak. Your dad's stealth, is in fact a Forign car. You see, when the stealth was made Chryzler Corp. owned 49% of Mitsubishi (Japanese regulations prevent forighn investors from owning any more than 49% of a company). Ever noticed the resemblence to the 3000GT? hmmmm... wander why? Cause the Dodge Stealth is based on it. Same platform, same drive train, and same enteriors. They changed some body panels and slapped differant badges on it, and there ya go. A Forign car with an American badge. Why not the other way around? So don't make fun of the boy, cause you've probably made the same mistake about other cars.""" |
| Dodge Viper SRT-10 Kicks! |
| white_rabbit 7-1-2003 |
"My dad owns a Dodge Stealth AWD Twin Turbo and boy it goes! I can only dream of how fast the new viper must be. Although I somewhat disliked the looks of the previous models of Vipers, this one blows me away! With 500 bhp at hand, you can't go wrong. I beleive this car is way up in the 575M class, and could easily smoke an Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (Which happens to be one of the world's most beautiful car), for a third of the cost. The 575M is just an ugly car. Sure it's a Ferrari, but is surely ugly looking when compared to a 360 Modena (They should have put the V12 enging from the 575 into the Modena). I'm sure everyone would be writing comments on how fabulous this car is if it had the ""Ferrari"" sticker attatched to this. Although I preferre European automobiles over American ones in general, this car truly stands out. Way to go Dodge! ~~ a 15 year old PS: HOW COULD ANYONE THINK AN ACURA INTEGRA IS AMERICAN (shows what you know about cars).""" |
| The real way to test the performance |
| kindaichi 2-1-2003 |
The real way to test the performance of a car isnt by the amount of seconds it takes for the car to accelerate from 0-60 or from 0-100. The real way to test out the performance of a car is to accelerate the car from 0-100 and then brake from 100-0 in the shortest time. Ford Cobra used to hold that record long before McClaren F1 was out but since then F1 has been the king BUT the dodge recently has beaten the F1 with a new figure. Its under 14secs. Companies like Porche doesnt use this method to test the performance not because they dont know it but its because their figures would be too embrassing. I dont think cars like Supra can match that sort of performance. You ask a expert who knows about performance cars and they'll tell you the top ten and dodge viper will be one of them. |
| CarAddict, your missing the point. |
| BlackSunshine 24-12-2002 |
"First off, the new SRT-10 has 8.3 liters. that's 505c.i.; the old one had 8 liters(488c.i.). Another thing, the new Bugatti does make in the area of 1000 horses. But it's got 16 cylinders, and FOUR turbos. Now Hennesy give ya 1000+ ponies, with 10 cylinders at 8 liters, and 2 turbos. ANYWAYS, the Viper isn't about high tech, it's about old school performance. Hennesy's provin that you can get WAY more power than stock. And he'll do it if ya got the money. But the Viper is about yestertech. It's about the modern embodiment of yesterday's race cars. The motor and spirit of this car are bassed on the classic idea of Ci = Hp. Why can't more people understand that, besides, where ya ganna get this much performce and looks at such a good price? Putting more hightech into getting more power just wouldn't be in the true spirit of things.""" |
| Well... |
| Quiggs 24-12-2002 |
"The cars you listed all make their power in a different way. They use turbos, or rev to incredibly high speeds. The Viper uses only 2 valves a cylinder, and a single overhead cam. Most of the high-performance cars of today use at least 4, and sometimes 5, valves per cylinder. Also, it develops its max horsepower and torque at much lower engine speeds than either of the Ferrari's and the Lamborghini. Also, power will only take you so far. After about 500 horses, additional power isn't really noticed that much. The gearing of the cars plays with the numbers, too. The Viper ""only"" does 186. Compared to the Ferraris and other sports cars, this is slow. But it's got a lot more pull through the gears. You don't have to let the motor wind up as much to go to the next gear. Keep in mind, too, that the Viper is an American sports car. It keeps in the tradition of the Shelby Cobra and Corvettes of the 60's. These cars were all about making speed one way- lots and lots of power out of a big displacment motor. Five hundred horses is a lot, no matter how you cut it. And hey, the new Viper would still beat a Civic with nitro. Unless the Civic has a Viper motor, too... *shudders*""" |
| to caraddicted................. |
| motorhead 24-12-2002 |
does Hennessy and engine stress have anything in common. Dodge actually did the right thing in making the engine produce only 500hp. Number one, did you know that this car does not have traction control but all the other cars you have mentioned have traction control. Number two, is engine stress. If they make the engine too powerful like maybe 650hp, the engine would have to go through a lot of stress and realiabiliy will not be good at all!! On the other hand, if the power is not good enough you can send your car to Hennessy and they will double that horsepower in no time(if you have to money) Horsepower is not evrything also. There is torque and many other things that is important. The vipers acceleration is really impressive for a 500hp car. 4sec(wow!!) Murcielago got a 580hp engine and its acceleration is just 0.3sec faster then the srt/10. Veyron has got 1001hp because it has 4 gigantic turbocharges and hennessy can also add 4 turbos to your srt/10 so what is the problem. The other thing is the price. All the cars you have mentioned are about 35000 more than the srt/10 and with 35000 you can have your car tuned to about 700-900hp and if that is not enough for you you can always purchase a 2001 Doug levin stage 4 viper which produced 1125hp. the car is actually a 2001 Srt/10 but it is super modified and it will fly(no kidding) Think before you say things caraddicted!!! |
| "Very ""sexy"" but having 500 hp with an 8l engine is not en |
| CarAddicted 23-12-2002 |
"Guys, I Think this is one of the most beautiful n' ""sexy"" car in the world. If only this car could be as fast as it is beautiful. In my opinion this car should have more power. I mean it has an 8 liter v10 engine and has got 500 hp. Let's compare it to someother cars. The Lamborghini Murcielago has a 6.2 liter v12 engine with about 580 hp. The Ferrari Enzo has a 6 liter v12 engine with 660 hp. The Ferrari 575 M Maranello has a 5.7 liter v12 engine with 512 hp The Porsche Carrera GT has a 5.5 liter v10 engine with 558 hp All this cars have more power and smoller engines than the srt-10 viper. There is even the Bugatti veyron 16/4 that has an 8 liter W16 engine (as big as the viper's engine). BUT the veyron has got 1001 hp and can go up to 406 km/h. 100 kn/h more than the viper. To sum up I think that the viper should be more powerfull. Man this baby has got an 8 liter engine she cannot have only 500 hp. """ |
| The Viper SRT-10 is the ultimate viper yet! |
| HellSpawn 15-12-2002 |
People are saying anything on the new Viper. The fact is the new Viper is faster than what you read in magazine or internet. My friend own one and when we take off it's a real blast.The power of the Viper is tremedous. Lot's of Hp and Torque but when we reached top speed we noticed a strange sound from the engine.So we checked out and we saw that engine is blocked to 310 kph.That's around 186 mph. We unlocked the engine and now we can go easily up to 350 kph. So don't say any bad comments on the viper before you try it! Okay it's true the viper isn't perfect,but it's the best yet! We calculated 0 to 60 mph in only 3.8 seconds. by the way i don't say the Corvette Z06 is bad, it's a great car but in the power performances the Viper SRT-10 2003 is on top with is 500 Hp and 525lb of torque. |
| I think you misunderstood |
| BlackSunshine 8-12-2002 |
"I'm pretty sure, that by hot, he wasn't talking about the driving, style, or expierience. Instead, he was probably refering to the passanger of compartment. Dodge Vipers are notorious for being encreadably hot inside. The heat from the exhaust has always mede the rocker panels hot enough to scold your leg. The footwell also gets encreadably hot because it's right between the exhaust and the transmission tunnel. The steel shifter rod is also hot enough to burn your hand. Now the new one is slightly better than the old, for ex. the new side exit exhaust wont singe your pants like the first side exit car did (one of the main reasons for the switch to rear exhaust). Now the foot well is still hot, but not near as hot as the old. The door sills will still scold your leg, but now you can atleast save your calves from the transmission tunnel, while it's still very hot, it wont burn you like the old cars. So I'm pretty sure that's what that writer was referring to. When he said ""hot, but not as hot"", he meant it literally. """ |
| thrills 2 |
| IBrake4Rainbows 8-12-2002 |
but the bite back is what made the old one such a hoot to drive and punt hard! Australia recently recieved a shipment of old-style RT/10's which had been modified of the australian market. The motoring writer said the car was unbelievably good and wondered why Aus. hadn't recieved it sooner. in the same magazine a differant writer wrote about the new one after driving it in the U.S. his results were almost exactly the same, but he made a little point to note that the car was still hot, but nt as hot as it was, only by a small margin. It's cool, but not as cxool as it could pf been, Comfort and panache can live in harmony, look at the new A8! |
| thrills |
| BlackSunshine 8-12-2002 |
"with everything I've heard. There is no shortage of thrills. And I forgot to mention this earlier but there are a few right hand drive models planned for the UK. Anyways, I've been in the old vipers and I can tell you that there are indeed thrills a plenty. The Downside is that for all the thrills at the limit and up to it, the second you passed the limits of the car (which isn't easy at all) or your limits as a driver (what usually happens) you get bit hard. From what I have read and heard, the new viper as all the thrills and few extras of the old, but doesn't sting half as bad when it bites back. No less extreme, it's still a true drivers car compared to the vette, a merc, or most other front engine rear drive 2 seaters; it's much closer to an old school race care really, it's just a little nicer and a tad harder to piss it off. My only complaint (and it's minor) is I would have like to seen more curves, but this is great too.""" |
| More Cohesive |
| IBrake4Rainbows 7-12-2002 |
The New SRT-10 Viper certainly looks more cohesive than the other one, and is almost certainly mroe practical (in relative terms) but it has lost some of the edginess than the new one. Now don't get me wrong, i am 14 and am actually not a big fan of big wings and huge exhausts. I do prefer the understated elegance of a new Mer SL500 to the lairy, large plastic pig that is the Celica GT-4 with melted plastic dripping down it's back. But a vipers supposed to be edgy, lairy, and hold-on-to-ur-hat experiance, that the new one has compromised on. No doubt it is still way more extrteme than the average Honda or Chevy (malibu, not corvette) but it ain''t meant to be a car that makes excuses, you have to make them for it! new hood versus roll on emergency, i'd know which one i'd pick, but i'd also pick the one that gave me the biggest thrills, and that seems to be the old one. Tech=a+ style=b- |
| once again.... the motor |
| BlackSunshine 7-12-2002 |
"The reason the increased the displacement to 505c.i. is because of what the viper represents. Not so much modern high tech power, but rather old school big-block ponies. It's not about multible cams, 4 valve heads and variable intake and valves. It's a about big boar, long stroke, and a huge set of kejones. It's about big torque, big horses, and big engines. Sure they could have added this, changed that, and reworked this (just like hennesy does in some of the lower cost packages); but all in all it was probably more cost efficient to give it a biggers more and longer stroke. So hey, who am I to argue with that? """ |
| to outlaw.............. |
| motorhead 7-12-2002 |
I completely agree with you that the 2003 car has a much better design than the other vipers. i think the teens here are all refering to the hennessy vipers which look very very nice but hey people.........this car has not been tuned or modified just as yet. What if hennesy desides to take a 2003 SRT/10 and start tuning it and puting spoilers ans side skirts all over the place I BET IT WOULD LoOK DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN NICE!!!!!!!! I am a teen but I don't think like one!! i know i, you and ibrakeforrainbows were fighting about the murcielago but that is the past but i still think that car really sucks! anyway i really hope hennesy takes this one in and then then the teens will realise how beautiful this car is!!!!! |
| I think the fact it looked muscular |
| IBrake4Rainbows 7-12-2002 |
May have something to do with why the old RT/10 is more popular than the new one. The New one always seems more ugly and/or worse than the old one, but they always counteract this with new tech, better handling and maybe even more power. The RT/10 was many a kids wet dream because it didn't make excuses, this one seems to compromise on that philosophy. |
| What's wrong about the body? |
| Outlaw 7-12-2002 |
"Really, I don't get it. If compared to the original Viper (the targa not the GTS) the styling of this SRT-10 is far more coherent and integrated. I was never a fan of the old Viper's ugly sideskirts and rear bumper and the back also. The car just seemed poorly refined. But, I see how a lot of people around here think ""Great!"" when they see wings, elaborated sideskirts air intakes everywhere and so on, this way it's easy to understand why some of you prefer the old Viper (it also had one of the ugliest dashboards ever)compared to this new one. I know all in all it's supposed to be just a metter of tastes, but, actually (and onestly), ...a lot of U people just don't have a hint of what a good piece of design is. Most of U are just teenagers with simple ideas such as: ""the fastest the better"", ""the more bhp the better"", ""the McLaren F1 is the best car in the world"", ""only the Veyron 2003 can beat it ...maybe"" and so on ...and U probably measure your penis twice a day to see if it's growing (pulling it doesn't count). I've seen U people literally shitting over several great cars and I'm sorry whatever I'll write U'll go on on and on ad nauseam. So my only hope is that sooner or later your brains are going to reach adulthood, or, alternatively, that you have your fingers permanently fractured so that you can't type anymore. So, this car looks good, and it looks better than its predecessor. I also see something reminiscent of Pininfarina's Ferraris in the side air exhaust shape. It's lines are no more chaotic and still not as anonymous as the C5 (U must admitt the front of the Corvette C5 is quite plain, indeed), which remains it's first contender. One thing, why does it have to come with such a huge engine? What's the problem at Chrysler? So they really don't know any other mean of increasing the bhp? ...I'll still marvel when I see how Honda can build small engines with incredible HP per liter ratios. I'll thank U all in advance for your insults, I love U too!""" |
| Good Engine, Bad Body |
| Jimothy_Jebus 6-12-2002 |
The engine improvements to 500 horspower and 525 lbft of torque are great, but the old viper bodys were much better. They had more rugged, dangerous lines, and this has more contemporary, ford-escort type lines. I really wish they could have come up with a better design |
| Forward and Backward |
| Lachlan J 24-10-2002 |
In terms of performance, this is the best of the street-legal Vipers to date, I think. However, this car has gotten uglier, I actually think the initial Vipers from the early 90's looked better than this. |
| exactly |
| BlackSunshine 6-10-2002 |
Istop4rainbows, thank you, some one who see's the glory in what this car is sposed to be. I also appreciate the credit for arguements. But I'm glad some one else see's that this is a no frills, no excuses 'oldschool' super car. That's what it set out to be, and it did so marvelously. Thanks. |
| Why The Bickering??????? |
| IBrake4Rainbows 4-10-2002 |
"Please, laides and gentlemen, calm down.... this is only a car, and anyway, blacksunshine won almost every argument. Please be at peace and revel in the glory that is an 8.0 litre V10 engine that chews up it's rear tyres and just have fun. This car doesn't try to be technically advanced, it goes for the ain't no substitute for cubes"" strategy and pulls it off. The car will inevitably be compared to the Corvette ZO6, simply because Chevy has nothing to compete with it. So be calm, cool and collected, and whatever your fancy, turbo-charged screamer, cube pumping charger, enjoy.""" |
| What is the top speed? |
| FrederickJJ 23-9-2002 |
What is it's top speed? Oh yea, it doesn't matter, to an EXTREME. So forget about it. I hear singapore is a nice city, but they cane a lot of people. It seemed like there were a lot of those ultra small cars on the road there too, I would be afraid of tripping over one of em', or maybe stepping on one! |
| A true sports car |
| nightchild23 18-9-2002 |
There is one thing that makes me really like this car, besides it's looks...it's power. Today, you can't find power like that in less expensive cars. Sure, if you want to go out and buy a Mclaren or something to get lots of power, okay, but will you have enough to buy a drop of gas for that thing. The viper is the evolutional child of the powerful sports cars of the 50s and 60s, the era when sports cars were true sports cars...not million dollar weak coupes. |
| a million times better........ |
| motorhead 14-9-2002 |
than a murcielago. Top spedd is brilliant. Looks absolutely stunning but not as nice as the alfa romeo brera. That is the good thing about frnot engined cars. i would certainly think that if dodge mape right hand drive vipers, it would be really popular in Asia especially Singapore where everybody is filthy rich!!! |
| wonderful car |
| BlackSunshine 9-9-2002 |
"I'm not ganna bicker with you about the 800TT. That was the old model car and after market packages have a tendancy to vary from car to car. But I will say this about it. It wasn't a high speed test... it was a 1 mile acceleration test. They were trying to see if it would be the first car they've tested to break 200 in less than a mile. If not for the wet roads they would have done it. And read about the over cast skyies... weather like that brings all the oils right to the surface of the road or track; it makes for much less grip from a standing start or in a turn. I know this because it's exactly how my friends dad became a parapalegic. Anyways. That was the old viper... this is the new. The old viper was like a wild dog: strong, fast, and brutally difficult for the untrained to control. This one is more like a trained attach dog: it's been feed right to make it stronger and leaner, it's been trained and tought to make it easier to control and mar more effective when the time comes. The NEW Viper has handeling that's been praised by the automotive comunity around the world. But no one here seems to mention that. Nor has anyone explained how the old Viper ruled the Le Mans GTS class for so long when it was simply a ""streight line car that couldn't take curves"". Here's some info most of you are probably missing out on. The horse power and torque figures on this car are WAY above those of the vanquish wich retails for more than twice this peice of machinery. In terms of bhp the only really competative car is the new 575M from Ferrari (dont even bring the SL55 into this because it can't compare... it's performance is weaker, and it's differant kind of car not meant for the ectreme driver). The new Viper is only a few horses shy of the 575M but blows it away in the torque departmeant. Not only does it have the power to compete... it's also lighter. This is a $70k car with a better power to weight ratio than the Vanquish and 575M which both run upwards of $225k. So don't bitch about it's... cause the europeans got the same problem and much more exspensive price. I'm not saying this car is as good or better than the 575M... hell... if I had a quarter mil to spend on a car I'd take the Ferrari over this any day of the weak. But it's time to give the Viper the respect it deserves. Cause the new one's earned it. On top of the power to weight ratios... neither of those come with a drop top. And lets face it... every girl out there LOVES a convertable, and I love girls. So stop dissing the Viper and go look this stuff up if you don't beleive me. Show some respect... cause this snake is packin one hell of a bite.""" |
| One last time for you SUNSHINE |
| steel185 4-9-2002 |
"I am really sorry about the spelling thing I was just playing I didnt mean to piss you off. But really though just read really close and the only day that it rained was day two, the test of the high speed test where he tried to break 200 marker. The first day was cloudy and over cast dry roads, they ran on street tires first 10.71 and then ET streets came on they dumped the clutch at 5500 and I quote, ""they said it made a horrible screech and launched perfect a 0-60 in 2.3 seconds so I dont think the roads were wet!!!! Just read really close and the fine print and you will see and anybody else who doesnt believe just look for yourself, and one more thing I have been meaning to tell you how can you get off to say a stock LS1 camaro or trans am with a stick, 3.42 gears and ET streets wont go 12's you are on crack I have done it and seen it done not hard at all, 109 mph trap speed and a 1.8 sixty foot time so you do the math since you know everything about cars. Just come to Houston raceway on a Friday night when it is street night and watch bone stock LS1's go 12's with good tires and a good driver not hard to do!!""" |
| if one that was the last time |
| BlackSunshine 2-9-2002 |
"Ok steel185, 1st... back off the spelling, I'm dislexic you dumb f--k. 2nd... go to the motor trend website. Read the articals... now... read the words ""rain soaked roads"". Also... read the words ""over cast skies... you know what happens to roads when the sky is like that? The oil from the asfault rises to the surface, making it slipperier than greased snot. That's for any tire you got. Now read the little part about how hennesy still wants to up the boost on the turbos. Just so ya know I've been to river city race way, and it's good to know you live so close to houston, next time I go visit my brother I'll stop by so you can kiss my @$$ you dense bastard. By the way... that henesy comes with all the shit you mentioned on the you little Vette. It's got a/c, power everything, an Alpine stereo system (also found in lamborghini's and ferrari's) plus a 3 year, 30,000 mile warranty. But ya know what, I can understand your problem, it must be hard to see all that with your head so far up your @$$. """ |
| 1 more time BLACK SUNSHINE |
| steel185 2-9-2002 |
Somebody please help this dumb@#$, where in the hell do you get off with motortrend doing their test on wet roads, you are the one on crack. And another thing you can't spell worth of @#$%. Yes I know about M/T ET streets I have been using them probably longer than you have been reading motortrend. If you want to see the 800TT run on a DRY track and run a 10.0 why dont you log on to motortrend.com and look for yourself and you will see they tested the car at river city raceway only a few hours from my house in houston. Look real close at the picture, you are so stupid to even think they would WET down a quarter mile drag strip to test a car that is running on ET streets that shows how little you know about racing and another thing download the video at hennessey.com and watch it run 10's all day long. Now to watch something with some nuts log on to lingenfelter.com and download and watch the vette go 9.2 on pump gas, air, cruise, cd, automatic and pass emissons down here in Texas, hennessey just needs to borrow some of lingenfelters small blocks and then that viper may have a chace. |
| Amazing |
| Hunter 2-9-2002 |
"The last comments posted are probably the ones with most brains...finally someone has pointed out that to actualy drive a ""super"" sports car, you need to know how too. Cars such as a GTR, or a supra are for amatures, they need little experience of driving as they basically drive on their own...plus if you havnt noticed they aint really super cars. I live in the world down under, and I just saw the first SRT-10 on the road down here, and I must say, GOD DAM!!! I must admit, that the look of the cabin aint the best, the the overall look and how low it sits to the ground is simply outstanding. It was a pitty it had a some commericial stickers on it. Like in the states, we have very wide roads, and smooth roads at that (Personally I reakon that our roads are better, but i'll leave that comment till I fully experience american roads), and the viper fits perfectly. The only thing I am truly disapointed in is that to experience a car such as a viper, actually any sports car you need to be able to speed...and with an average speed limited of 70km/ph down here, its not that much fun going out spending >200K and not being able to drive 150km/ph+ in it. To sum things up, the new viper is simply a new car added to the super car list...please, compare rice burners to other cars in their class, as well as everything else, the viper is in a league of its own, and well deserves it.""" |
| Who cares? |
| kudosdude 2-9-2002 |
"It's a supercar - it isn't meant to be practical. It won't sell many in England - because it hasn't been designed for roads with corners ;-) By the way - Supra's are rear wheel drive - however I have heard that there are a couple of modified Supra's with skyline engines and associated drive train running about (don't ask me how or why they did that). Oh and 4 wheel drive may have faster traction off the line (esp in the wet), and around corners but if you ask yourself why hotrods aren't 4WD it is because the extra weight and powerloss absorbed by the drivetrain isn't worth the initial advantage. This viper is going to spank a few asses when it goes racing - perhaps that is why they don't bother tuning the engine to decent levels of power per litre from the start...(or cubic inches, or cubic acres or whatever). By the way - I haven't driven any viper but I wouldn't mind ...""" |
| Wow again... |
| jstultz 1-9-2002 |
"GTR... I find it hilarious that first you mention that it's no GTR or Ferrari.. and then proceed to list things that are ""wrong"" with the Viper that also apply to Ferraris. 500+ hp excessive? How about the 575M Maranello? That's over 500. Oh, but its bad that it's all coming through the rear wheels....right....oh but wait...Ferraris are all rear wheel drive too! Huge rear tires? Have you seen the rear tires on the 575? V10 sucks too much gas huh? 575 is V12, as are most other supercars. You say when you see a Viper you think of the owner as an idiot? What kinda car do you own buddy?""" |
| A SUPRA IS RWD |
| DriftTengoku 1-9-2002 |
I fully agree with everything you said about the crappiness of the viper but sorry to say, the Toyota Supra is RWD. Oh yea, there is no point in going in a straight line. Drifting is the way to go. =D |
| immature |
| BlackSunshine 1-9-2002 |
"thanks for that little insight GTR35... It's actually kind of frightning to know that they allow people with your level of imiturity out of their houses with out supervision. First off... Supra's don't have AWD jack@$$. Second... Don't diss a cars handeling untill you've had a chance to drive it or at least ride in it. As far as super cars go, yes the old Viper's weren't exactly in the hall of fame for handeling, but they were still a hell of a lot better than a Taurus, a Camero or a Mustang. The advantage of the old Viper over all of the rice rockets you listed is that the Viper is a car that pushes the driver to his limits and challenges them time and time again. To a driver, a car is like a tool... and the tool is only as good as the person using it. Any well respected driver and expeirienced race car driver can tell you that with the right person behind the Viper can handle and perform as well as any other car you've listed. You say this and that about streight line ability and lack of handeling, then why did the Viper's hold the GTS crown for so long? Beating out countless players including your precious Vette's. And as brutish as the old car was... the new one has been highly refined. Hell even the euro mags which despise american muscle are coming around and flat out saying that the new viper preserves the visceral feal of the old, but with handeling and dynamics that put a car of this price range on the level it should be. As to the the 800TT test... motor trend did test it on their own. IN THE WET. Motortrend has never done a dry run; I know because I suprscribe to the magazine and I read both issues that featured it, some 5 times over. It was on Mickey Tohmpson ""cheater slicks"". Incase you don't know, those are streat legal tires. Tire's you want in the rain? No. Tires that you can drive around in south texas with out problems 75% of the time, yes. Hell, I know a guy with a fully hotrodded 5.0 Mustang, and he uses em every day of the year. When it rains he takes it slow or he drives his truck. And one more thing. I've come to the conclusion that one of the main reasons many European's hate American performance cars is because that our cars are made for our roads. It's commonly known that European roads are horrible compared to those in america. Why? because we do much more driving over much longer distances. The roads in texas, where I live, are some of the best roads in the nation. So when we make a car that's going to be sold primarily on american soil, we design it for american roads. Natrually it's not ganna perform as well on inferior european roads. So next time you wanna whine and bitch about the viper... look in the mirror and try to realize your either jelous because you can't afford one, or your pissed that you don't have the skill to drive it to it's full potential. (and stop bitching about styling cause we've heard every thing their is to be said about it and the fact of the matter is that styling is subjective from person to person and the matter of sheer opinion)""" |
| gaaaaaay |
| GTR35 1-9-2002 |
"If you want a real car get a skyline, or maybe a ferrari, oh wait i forgot....you like cars that break down and suck at handling. yea lets run 500 hp out of wheel rear drive. were not gonna peel out because he have slicks the size of canada. ya know what else is fun, going in a straight line because thats about all you can do with slicks the size of that...but you probly can't even do that because your peeling out so much you loose control, and then by the time your done peeling out you have run out of gas because your fatty v100000 sucks gas so fast you need to refill everyday. try and take a hair pin turn over 10 mph.....why don't you try the 1/4 mile in street tires cause i know a lot of people with supras runnin 9 sec 1/4 miles with only street tires...ya wanna know why....AWD. do you need me to spell it out...all wheel drive. ya know...thats where all the wheels spin so you get better traction....try it some time is kinda fun. when i see a viper i say ""OH DAMN""....""What an idiot"" but hey i can respect some one with a viper cause thats what they want waste there money on. """ |
| Engine wise, better.......design, not as good |
| Shaitan 31-8-2002 |
i must admit that the increase in hp is good, it really deserves it, but the design is not so good...it is impressive, but IMO, the old version was better looking....the best looking american car i think.. |
| Not bad, could've been better though... |
| Andonis 31-8-2002 |
It's a reminscent of the muscle car era no doubt, but...It could've looked more aggressive, more exciting, sleeker... more VIPER. Don't get me wrong, I'm only talking about the design. The last one has more style, this looks like its predecessor. Not sayin it's ugly or anything it's just a little something else I expected from a Muscle Car being the second generation of something that shocked the world a decade ago. |
| For you Sniyper |
| steel185 31-8-2002 |
Just to let you know you know it all, motortrend has tested the viper twin turbo before by itself with ET streets on the back and a DRY track and it only ran a 10.00 and a 0-60 in the 2s so yes they have tested that piece of @#$% before and it was nowheres close to the 427 lingenfelter twin turbo vette. The vette a 9.20 ??????? that is about 8 tenths behind the vette so unless he comes up with about 100 more rear wheel hp then it will lose once again like usual. And the funny thing the editors of motortrend were making jokes about the viper saying yes this is no miss print hennessey a 1.97 0-60mph time sorry hennessey. And also the Venom 800 got 4th place out of 15 cars in the ultimate car shootout so it didnt even come close to the vette in the first place and it lingenfelter had the 427 there it wouldnt of even been close for any of them out there. And for sunshine yes he may still be tuning or whatever he may say but how long will that go on that car has been out for a little while, he just needs to crank up the boost a whole lot if he wants to compare. |
| Wow... |
| jstultz 30-8-2002 |
"Gee sniyper....seeing as you ""own"" a Ferrari 550...I would expect you to know a lot about cars. Too bad an Acura Integra isn't an American car smart guy. Acura = Honda.""" |
| in addition |
| BlackSunshine 30-8-2002 |
"thanks your snyper... I agree completely. In case you missed this part in the article in CAR&DRIVER there's a little thing in there about the how Hennesy is still working on the Venom 800 package. Yes, I've drivin vets, and I've ridden in Vipers. I've even ridden in vipers at hi speeds, and vette's too. When you got some body with balls of rock behind the wheel... you find the true differance. The corvette... great handeling. But no thrill. The Viper, ALL thrills. We did everything we could think of to toss that vette around and we had some stuff that was cool. But the viper was a true expeirience. You wanna talk about thrilling, I almost crapped my self. When I got out of the vette... I thaught to my self, ""that was fun; I'm hungry, I feal like going for chinese"" When I got out of that Viper, I got my breath back... I thaught to myself... ""I WANNA DO THAT AGAIN!!!!"" And we did... after I made sure my drawers were clean. The vette is a sports car my friend. It has been and all ways will be a sports car, but the viper is a super car, and that's all there is to it.""" |
| for you: steel185 |
| sniyper 30-8-2002 |
"4 words... The answer... is no. the vette sucks .. just sucks.. AND the 800R was on a WET road when they tested the 0-60. WET. so bahaha, the vette would pro'ally loose. why? cause it's a wussy vette. and besides, people go ""hey look a vette... yeah"" as with a viper ""OH DAMN! look at that, damn that thing is BAD ASS!"" besides, the viper shouln't be compared to the vette, seeing as it's more than 100 hp, 30 mph top speed and $20-30 grand apart. -sniyper""" |
| For you Black Sunshine |
| steel185 29-8-2002 |
Just to let you know the vipers in which he owns are 98, 99 GTS and a 00 GTS-R in which there were only about 100 made so I think I know what I am talking about when the STICKER price not what he paid was @75000 so you dont have to argue I practicly live at the dealership with my best friend. And yes I ride in the vipers all the time nothing special to me they look good you've got that right. Have you not read any magazines lately on track times and slalom times and braking and G's it pulls they are neck and neck so where do you get off saying the viper is the ulitmate supercar? Dont worry the GT40 is going to put it to shame you dont have to worry about that. And to let you know my friend has the video of both of the cars getting dynoed the 99GTS and the 02 Z06 if you want to see how funny it was we gave the viper 7 pulls on the dyno and 413 or 417 was it yes I have heard of them usually doing 430's or so but I am telling you this one only did 413 or 417 really. They are not going to be all identical I have a 02 trans am and bone stock it pulled 303 rwhp my cousin's 01 Z28 only pulled 289 so if they are off I just got lucky. And while you are at it why dont you look at how lingenfelters small block twin turbo put it on hennessey's twin turbo 800 hp viper on car and drivers ultimate car challenge, very funny you know lingenfelter laughed because he didnt bring the baddest car he built he brought the same one from last year in which he had one with out there the 427 twin turbo that motortrend had in their magazine racing the blue angel jet that ran a 9.20 at 153 and still passed Texas emmissions tests and pulled a 0 to 60 in 1.97 wow may I add air condition and automatic and a daily driver. Have you even driven both cars or even ridden in either I have driven and ridden in both and I still like the vette if I was on a road race track. |
| real wheal power |
| BlackSunshine 28-8-2002 |
The lowest rear-wheal-hp numbers I've seen for the Viper are about 435. The only way I could see 413 is if it was one of the earlist models which had less power than the last one's of the previous body style. If it was one of the older one's, and it was stickered at 73-75g's... then he got the shaft cause the early model Vipers only retailed for about 57-63. When it comes to track numbers you have to understand that the viper is a FAR more extreme vehicle. To push a corvette to the edge takes a reasonable amount of skill and decent kejones. To push a Viper to the edge, and milk it for all the performance it's worth, takes far more skill than most non-profesional drivers have, and rocks the size of 12lbs bolling balls. But that's what the viper is meant for. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've read alot of magazines praizing the corvette's handeling and vallue, but I have yet to read a SINGLE one that praises it for the sheer fun of driving it. On the other hand, one this I almost always hear about vipers is the sheer joy of driving one. I don't wanna car that's ganna do the turning for me. I wanna car that has got all the ability and more, but it's up to me to make use of that. I like the fact that the viper is a challenge to me. Driving a Z06 is like buy a video game with bad@$$ graffics and some really cool tricks but it's so easy that you beat it the first week you own it. Ok so you've mastered it, some how it's not just as fun any more, the callenge and the surprise are no longer there. With a Viper, it continues to challenge you, to test your abilities as well as the cars. It continues to both surprise and reward you, and when you mess up... it bites back and you love it. That's what makes the viper great. Not just the numbers, but sheer joy of driving it, the one the I have yet to hear a Z06 praised for by a single automotive journalist anywhere. |
| The so called sports car |
| steel185 28-8-2002 |
I have a bunch of comments for this issue. I am not trying to say I dont like the viper but I am here to tell you the Z06 is the baddest car for the money. My best friends dad owns a dodge dealership and has 3 vipers of his own I have ridden in all 3, very impressive but not what I expected from a 8 litre V10. My uncle has a 2002 Z06 we had it dynoed at the rear wheels at houston performance 2 weeks after purchasing it 373 rwhp not bad which caculates out to about 440 to 450 at the crank after the 12 to 17% loss of the drivetrain to the pavement so you go and figure when he paid 49900 for it and my friends dads viper which sticker was 75000 and only dynoed 413 not a whole lot of difference there I dont see 25000 in difference especially when the corvette out handles it and out brakes it and should I also say a true muscle car old style pushrod V8 346cubic inches vs 488cubic inches? Then taken to houston raceway park and here are the results viper ran a 12.09 at @118 2002 vette's best 12.21 at @ 115 not much difference there either, same driver no excuses. The corvette is an icon so you cant even compare the viper to the vette until it has been around for 5 decades. And another thing the 2003 viper looks like a oversized honda S2000 they lost their edge, both chevy and dodge have it coming when the GT40 comes out they have no chance against that car what so ever. That is all I have to say. |
| Cubic Inches |
| BlackSunshine 27-8-2002 |
Hey ultimatecarguy, you've obviously missed the point. This car isn't about squeazing the most amount of power out of the smallist engine possible. This car is about bruit force performance. You wanna know a MASSIVE advantage of using a big block like this. This engine produces more horse power and torque a near idle rpms as your little Civic will at red line. So there, take that, technology's great, but this car aint about that. It's about big block power and old school muscle (i.e: CI = Hp). Now be gone with you. Pefore I run you over with 8.3 liters of american muscle. |
| looks |
| BlackSunshine 27-8-2002 |
I hate to tell you this, but looks come last dude. Numbers don't mean everything... but they mean a hell of a lot more than looks. And don't go comparing this to the Z06. This is an entirely differant caliber of car. With FAR SUPERIOR performance, and yes, style. There are tons for cars that might look better... and for a 35-45g's you might be able to put enough parts and crap on em to give them just enough power to keep them from getting TOTALLY spanked instead of just easily beaten. By the time you've baught the car and spent the money you could buy one of these and still smoke the tuners. As for your distaste of the style... don't get me wrong, in many ways I prefer the full, acentuated curves of the previous body, but this car is not ugly by any means. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend and this car deffinately cathes my eye. I think dodge did a fine job with the evolution of the Viper, speaking from a styling stand point there were few ways that styling evolution could have taken them and I think this does an excelent job of that. It's sleeker than before, yet destinctly american muscle. I love it. So complain all you want about the style. And spend the cash to hopup your little econo car all you want. But don't be surprised when a Viper pulls up beside you and then leaves you caughing in it's dust. And don't be at all surprised when you show up at the car show, and that Viper draws 5 times the croud your tuner would. A true enthusiast put capability first, style second, and looks third. |
| hmmmmm.... |
| Ultimatecarguy 27-8-2002 |
"...... yet another OHV ""Viper"", but this time with Ferrari Modena Head Lights! Here's the deal: The new Honda Civic Type-R has a 2 Litre four with 200 BHP, at an amazing rate of 100 BHP/Litre. The Viper has 8.3 Litres, you do the math. Only goes to show how ancient this car really is. """ |
| numbers dont mean anything |
| dspaeth16 26-8-2002 |
who cares about the numbers other than the factory who is competing against another company such as the z06 but you can always upgrade the engine to make something go faster and get there quicker than stock what most people should care about is the appearance and i think that dodge did a terrible job remaking the viper it looks the side was just thrown together with no real time spent on it. and the front grill is uglier than ever it looks like dodge just took a normal viper out back and beat it with the ugly stick like the chrysler/dodge corporation have dont before even with the new models such as the pt cruiser. i would still take my car over this just cause the lines on it are so poorly done. i have a merkur scorpio. this thing doesnt even have the lines near ferrari or the jag xj220 and xke or porsches or the diablo and miura. overall change the body and keep the numbers and i will be satisfied but dodge can do a lot better than this. what happened to the sleek look of exotic cars now they're all aggressive, i think the sleek look is better. when you see an aggressive looking car your just like whoa that must have some power on it but when you see a sleek car, you know it appears its going down the road at 170+ even when its sitting on the side of the road. |
| I'd love... |
| GeoBem007 26-8-2002 |
...to own one! Since I'm european I wont be seeing a Corvette Z06 cruising around...unless imported.. But a viper wouldn't be bad, this car pulls faster than a Porsche, almost faster than a Ferarri, and it's cheaper! If you say it swallows gas...a Ferrari or a Porsche must too... and black sunshine said it, if you can buy a viper, gas isn't an issue! I love this car...and if I had 80.000$/� I'd love to buy one... |
| .................. |
| AbouZiz 24-8-2002 |
well guys i really must say that i m not an expert in american cars i actually dont like them that much but i have to say this time that dodge have surpasssed themselves with the new viper and left corvette someway back of course the viper is heavier (what is leaving her behind european super cars)but i still put it over a corvette i fond kinda weak for its class in spite off the lighter weight as for handling both of them have great handling but stil have to get to ferrari and u might think i m making a bad comaprison to the bmw level with the m powered cars well anyway i think the viper is a great supersport i d love to have one |
| gas |
| BlackSunshine 9-8-2002 |
if you can buy it. Gas isn't an issue. |
| american supercar |
| viperfang 8-8-2002 |
It's obvious that the 2003 Viper is one of the greatest sports car ever made. But with a V10, 8 liter engine, it chews up gas. |
| hangin |
| BlackSunshine 2-8-2002 |
I'm sorry dude, but I have yet to see anyone quote the new Z06 a sub 4 sec. 0-60 time. |
| Fantastic Car |
| WOW 2-8-2002 |
This car is really fantastic, it has huge and powerful engine, i can feel this car everyday while driving it,wow, so fast that you can get a ticket really quick. you can feel every horse power in that car especially because its manual. The Weight make the car more stable. I use to have a corvette but this one is more great. |
| 2003 Viper SRT-10 vs 2002 Z06 |
| Z71chevy17 30-7-2002 |
Yes the new 2003 viper is a sweet american power car for somewhere around 80,000-90,000. The new viper is said to run 0-60 in 3.9.....the same time that the 2002 Z06 runs but at a price of 52,000. Now you can buy the Z06 and put on a lot of aftermarket parts like engine and aerodynamics that will make it one fine tuned car for a whole lot less. For my choice I would just get both but to decide it would just boil down to looks and power for you to make a single decision. In a nutshell....the Z06 can do more than just hang with the viper!!! |
| Thank You Black Sunshine! |
| sniyper 18-7-2002 |
"Finally, an intellegent member of a car site. Basically, what this dude's tryin' to say is that THE Z06 IS NOT THE ONLY CAR IN THE WORLD! Like he said, the Corvette is a ""new school"" cruiser that has abilites to go moderately fast, but the Viper is not in the same realm. So it's American... so is an Acura Integra. are they in the same category? No. The only thing I don't agree with is putting it in the same class as the Ferrari 550/575 Maranello, the Aston Martin Vanquish etc... Those are in a class of their own. Seeing as I own the 550, I get a lot of head turners too, but even I stare at a Viper... cause they're pretty. heh -sniyper""" |
| when will it end |
| Black Sunshine 17-7-2002 |
Ok, you guys really need to share your crack, cause it's not fair that you get to walk around on drugs all day when we gotta stay sober. Why must you compare the Viper and the Vette. Sure the Z06 competes with the viper, but how long did it take em to finally do it? And now that they have, the Viper's moved up a notch as well. Corvette has been chasing the Viper for years, and the simple fact of the matter is that the Corvette - even the Z06 - is a sports car, but the Viper my friends is a super car. If not before, it sure as hell is now. 500hp, 500lb.ft. of torque this ratings put it on par (or above) with the Ferrari 550 & 575M Marenello, the Aston Marton Vanquish, and ALMOST every AMG car mercedes makes (notice the ALMOST). The Z06 is deffinately a good performance vallue for the money. But the corvette lacks something... it had it in the days of big blocks and side pipes, but has since lost. The corvette lacks a since of AWW. While it's a beautiful car in coupe (also read T-top) or convertable fasion, it's moderately attractive in the hard top Z06. The corvette is an evolution of a wonderful car and it still is today, but the viper is much more. The Viper was built celebration of all that was glorious about the muscle car era. Hell the first Vipers (sporting over 400 horses back when the corvette was uglier slower, and just less cool) didn't even come with windows. It was stripped down performance at it's best. It's since evolved into a car that still carries the true spirit of american muscle, but gives the world a new breed of super car. A super car done the american way, and I dare say, the Texan way, in honor of carol shelby. You drive a corvette past a croud and a few heads might turn. You drive a Z06 and there's a 89 percent chance no one there will be able to tell the differance. But when you drive a Viper past a crowd of people. Heads turn in great numbers. Jaws drop, and panties get wet, men stumble of each other to get the closist look, people follow it to hear the engine, and vallet parking attendants crap themselves at a chance to drive it. You can talk all you want about spead and power, but the viper has always had the vette in it's hip pocket. You wanna talk about handling? While the Z06 handles like a dream I have yet to read a single automotive journalist praise the sheer joy of driving one compared to the countless coments saying that exact thing about the viper. And hell, with the new viper even the European automotive comunity (a long time critic of the car) is astonished by it. The corvette is cool, it's nice to look at, it's fun to drive, and it's got some class. But the Viper is awesome, it has looks that stop you in your tracks and turn heads in aw and wonder(weather you like em or not), the thrill of driving one is exhilerating, and when it comes to class... hell... with a car like that, who the hell cares about class? |
| to car crazy and higherpower |
| proxcel 17-7-2002 |
well, i think that hp is a strong factor in the viper image, but are you forgeting the weight factor, i mean the viper is so god-damn ass heavy that it needs a v10 to compete. The vette on the other hand has a v8 and a titaum chassy and also proves to have better handling because of the weight ratio. so id like to read you response to this and to carcrazy you are making an image for yourself for posting stupid ass coments, so do us all a favor and blow up your cpu |
| dodge viper, faster cars out there |
| carcrazy 16-7-2002 |
My friend thinks that viper are so unbeliveble hot I strongly disagree I my self like Supras I tell him that it is a total rip off and for all the money that you spend on the viper I could spend that money on parts and if somebody gave us the same amount of money and he bought a viper and I bought a Supra and pimped it out i could beat him |
| Dodge VS. Chevy |
| AHigherPower666 8-7-2002 |
dodge viper and chevy corvett have been trying to out do one another for a while but we all knowe that dodge is better.For example the new 2003 dodge viper SRT-10 is faster than the new Z06 by about 20 or 30 MPH.Also the new viper has about 500 BHP and the corvett Z06 only 370-400BHP and the corvetts 0-60 is about 4.0-4.3 seconds and the viper only 3.8 sec. although the corvett has the viper when it comes to bhp per liter and control, the viper over power, over speeds and has quicker exelaration.Plus over all the viper looks better( in my opinion ).So there you go thats how the viper is better than the corvett. |
| Chevy Kicks Dodge's butt yet again |
| proxcel 6-7-2002 |
read the comparision between the viper, and the z06 in car & driver if you did you would kno that the z06 kills the viper in every comparision from handling to acceleration , except top speed (but i heard nasty rumors of the vipers engine not bein able to handle the temp. at top speed) so, try again dodge the most competition to the z06 is ford with the gt 40 , now thats a race!!! |
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