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V12 or H12 |
the answer 2-6-2003 |
If you go to the Ferrari site you will see that the engine is a 180 degree V12. It is not a flat 12 because of the way the crank works as explained by Wouter. This is something even a 7th grader could understand. |
does matter |
henk4 30-1-2003 |
We are not talking about what Ferrari called its engine, what has been tried to explain is the technical difference between a boxer and V-engine. Judging from BS' comments I can only assume that Ferrari didn't bother too much about this, because a full explanation would be wasted on most people, who will only judge from the outside what it is they are looking at. |
doesn't really matter. |
BlackSunshine 29-1-2003 |
"All that refers to is how the crank works, That's pretty easy to change. Even Ferrari ferred to this as a flat 12, or a horizontally oposed 12 cylinder. A boxer (from what you've just told me) is a horrizontally aposed egine with a slightly differant crank. It's still not a V12. For the simple reason that it is not in a V configuration; the key factor in any V engine. Like I said, even the engineers at ferrari referred to this as a horizontally opossed 12 cylinder, or flat 12." |
boxer engines |
Wouter Melissen 29-1-2003 |
Henk4 is right. Boxer engines truely work differently than V engines. Included are two animations to show you the difference. Note the different movement of the opposite pistons. Ferrari's flat engine work like V engines with opposing pistons moving in sync rather than moving towards/away as boxer engines do. images courtesy of How Stuff Works: - V-engine (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/engine-v-6.gif), - boxer engine (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/engine-v-6.gif) |
Flat-12 Boxer engine |
AntiDomestic 29-1-2003 |
I knew this was a flat-12 boxer engine not a v12 my mistake. |
V12 180 degrees |
henk4 15-1-2003 |
There is a subtle difference between a boxer engine (opposed pistons) and a 180 degree V12. Both are flat (I made it past the 7th degree) but there are differences in the way the cranks are mounted and the ignition sequence. As far as I know the ferrari flat engine follows the same principles as any other V engine and can therefore be counted as a 180 degree V12, while the Porsche and the old beetle engine work along the other principle. Any real technician reading this can probably elaborate on this, (and correct me), so I am waiting for further comments. |
It's not a V12. |
BlackSunshine 15-1-2003 |
"Ok, it sais 180 degree V12. Well... any one in here ever pass 7th grade math? 180 degrees means it's flat. It's not a V12, it's a horazantaly opossed 12 cylinder; aka. flat 12. Kinda like Porche's flat 6.""" |
Me likey too,lol |
AntiDomestic 14-1-2003 |
I know the engine sound of this v12 is just sweet, it sounds unbelivelably awesome. Although it's a awesome car one of my fave ferraris of all time,I'd rather have a f355,360 f40,or an f50 anyday,lol. Oh yeah how can I forgot the awesome 288GTO,I'd rather have that too heh. And F50 is my favourite car of all time. |
me likey |
brentos 19-9-2002 |
the 512 TR is by far my favourite ferrari i dont think there is many things better then a throaty V12 |
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