[hightower99]

Originally Posted by Slicks

LMFAO!
This is something you can actually try yourself. Get in a a non-turbo car (preferably a V6 or V8 truck, for the powerband) and put it in 1st gear. Mash on the gas when your at the RPM where the engine makes its peak torque. Feel that kick in the pants? Now bring the RPMs up there the engine makes it peak power, and mash the gas. You will notice that the car jumps much harder at its peak torque, because TORQUE moves the car. I said preferably a truck because of its torque curve, generally they make a lot of low end torque, and not much high end torque, the results will be more noticable. Yoru car literally follows the torque curve when it accelerates. My car pulls no harder at 3000RPMs than it does at 5000RPMs, because its making the same amount of TORQUE at those RPMS, you dont feel hp.

You obviously have never tried that with objective measurement (because your ass is biased) This isn't even close to true in the real world. Go ahead try it with some sort of measuring instrument and tell me the results.

You are incorrectly assuming that the energy needed for a given rate of acceleration is independant of velocity. You are totally wrong there, the faster you go the more energy you need to put into the car just to maintain a constant rate of acceleration.

Next you cannot "feel" torque, what you feel is inertial effects from the acceleration of the car which is caused by power. Torque is instantaneous it doesn't have a time or motion componant. When you add the necessary time componant guess what you get... Yup power!

Tell you what, if torque is what moves things then you should be able to tell me the theoretical minimum torque needed to accelerate a car that weighs 1000kg from 0m/s to 20m/s in 3 seconds. If you can give me an answer I will bow out. Since power is what decides acceleration i CAN tell you exactly what the minimum power needed will be to do this.

Originally Posted by henk4

That is no proof, as the diesel will also have notably more torque in that rev range.

look closer I said the petrol kills it later in the rev range where it makes less torque than the diesel but manages to out accelerate it.

Originally Posted by Slicks

Because of GEARING, the car with higher RPMs will be making more TORQUE to the wheels.
Take the SAME car in the SAME gear, with those specs and it will not be accelerating any HARDER (altough traveling at a different speed) because your acceleration follows the torque curve exactly.

You are an idiot! get it through your thick skull that acceleration is highly velocity dependant.

it takes alot more energy to accelerate from 100-120 km/h then it does to accelerate from 0-50km/h... please understand this.

I can explain with math and real world examples why and how power does everything. You are using highly subjective and limited experiances to argue your point.

Please somebody who believes that torque is what accelerates you please post an acceleration graph on top of a torque curve graph that matches perfectly.

BTW: I know that was an impossible request...

Also note that torque is changed by gear ratios. Power is not.
This alone should convince most people.