[Clivey]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

I see your point but I think you are rather limiting it. What I mean is that when you consider a certain car to be a class leader you've got to consider the whole range not the model that suits you best. If I did that I'd consider the 1-series to be top of the tree and yet I don't think it is, but it suited what I wanted/needed.

Sorry, it seems we've misunderstood each other - that's not what I meant at all, lol.

I simply meant that out of the models that were available to me, the C4 VTR+ HDI was the one that best fitted my criteria. I didn't mean to sound like I was saying that the C4 was the class leader across the board.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

I mainly agree with your analysis, but I still think the Golf's the best. Another interesting alternative to consider is the new cee'd. Zero cred and image but it seems to be a good car with excellent diesel engine especially. And in 3 door form it's quite a looker.

The "best" Golf I could have bought for the money I paid for the C4 would have been a 1.9TDi S that would have been at least 6 months older and with twice the mileage (about 20,000 miles). Not only does it look extremely bland and offer no excitement or any "cool factor" at all next to the C4, but it's missing most of the Frenchie's spec list too.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Ultimately, like the supercar discussion, it all comes down to subjectivity. So we porbably won't agree.

I think I have the same problem as you, I just can't get round the styling. It's just too bland and too tall. The Scirocco seems to solve that, but annoying it's wider (why?) and it'll probably be even more expensive as well as not having what for me is the strongest selling point for the Golf, the twincharged engines.

I always say "If everyone was the same (liked the same thing), the world would be a very boring place."

I need to read-up on the Scirocco, but I'm surprised it doesn't have the TSi engines...and yes, it does look much more interesting than the standard Golf. Let's just hope that it's exciting to drive and has a more interesting interior than the "snooze fest" that's in the Mk5.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Thing is if I was to buy a Golf I'd probably buy a Seat Leon, altough that doesn't have the twincharged engines either. Damn...

Forgot to mention the Leon, although I did consider it. It's more interesting than the Golf but still expensive.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

I can. But can they?

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating." There's only one way to find-out.