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Old 03-27-2008, 04:33 PM
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Thanks for your response!

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Hi Olaf,
I share your opinion, about the books. The big question is, is the belgian car dealer an expert, or he only wants to promote some of his cars. Why should Alfa copy the Asardo, when they gain their experience with Abarth and Conrero built Specials.
For me the TZ is a beautiful Car, but it was only a 1600 class winning car in some countrys. The class went up to 2 liters and there was no winning against the Porsche 904 GTS.
I think someone is trying to push the price up, with Race listings and 'marvelous' history. That some people don't want to go in touch, with him, I can understand, but claiming their Cars are Fakes for this.
Until now, there are 27 TZ 1, with double Chassisnumbers known. The TZ 2 is worth three times as much, for this are some modified TZ 1, with TZ 2 Bodys, which were with 'no News' in Minerbis Book, appearing. Maybe Mr. O will find all the missing TZ, naturally with TZ 2 Body and with his vast Fotoarchive, he will find the correct history of each.
Lets see, what will happen with the SZ Cars, in the near future.

Regards
Jörg

Hello Jörg,

Thanks for your response! Yep, the TZ is beautiful and there was nothing it could do against the 904 which I think is a beautiful car too. I saw both the TZ-1 and 904 models today at the Techno Classica in Essen. Wauw!

On our Belgian car dealer; I think he has accumulated a lot of knowledge on TZ-1 and TZ-2 in researching all the photographs, visiting owners, looking at cars and talking to other people with knowledge on the TZ. He certainly knows a lot more about TZ's than I do!

Jörg, I would not classify the TZ-1 with the TZ-2 body or any other car of our Belgian car dealer as a fake. That is not for me to decide.
I would like to look at it form another perspective. If someone claims that a car has a certain history (which makes the car more interesting and will have influence on the price), than pictures, documents, papers, films, results of races, personal accounts of people and other evidence will help to proof that the claimed history is correct and that the claimed history belongs to that specific car/chassisnumber.

As long as these documents or other proof don't show up, I am having doubts. It also means that the car could still be what it is claimed to be! But I can't check it. And if I can't check it, the history of that car will stay unclear, at least to me.

Lets see what happens with the missing TZ-2's in the coming period and what happens with other cars like the SZ's! By the way, I saw this TZ-1 today. Didn't have the chance to look for the chassisnumber! I have more pictures!

Ciao, Olaf
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