[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Yes but even if the the GT-R follows a completely different approach from a Jag, the Nissan is a sportscar, I can't quite see the point of setting insanely fastest times in the Nurburgring.

The thing is I'm not a racing driver, nor do I have the talent of one, so I'd say lap times on a race track are pretty much meaningless for a road car so you won't be racing anyone or anything.

What I want in a road car is enjoyment. I don't care if I can shave 0.00001 of a second thanks to the GT-R's advanced four wheel drive system. We've seen the Nissan can do that, but can it do enjoyment? I'm not sure.

Therefore for this reason (and others), for me the Jag is the better car.

i agree. the GT-R is becoming more and more a sort of surgeon instruments, very precise without any room for errors. but such cars (like a 430/430 Scuderia and others) with the time passing, let the driver thinking he is not a fundamental part of the game. the car is good, no matter who is driving. for sure only a few people can push the car at those lap times, but it becomes like racing with a good esp turned on, no matter if you fail a break, it will recover the car trajectory and you won't have to be worry about the guard rail or the tire wall.
i think it's why the Porsche GT3 RS, even if it's not my favourite car, is a true sport car, it's analogical, it requires you all your attention and ability to let it go really fast. that is a sort of challenge, if you want to do it, on a race track, but it will still be very fast even if you are not pushing 110%. i'm figuring out that the GT-R will be fast, period. and so not so exiting, no so thrilling, a sort of videogame (see that silly monitor showing you parameters the average driver even doesn't know what they stand for, and also, why not standard analogical and more involving instruments?) in which the only purpose is the top time.
probably the GT-R is comfortable enough to drive in everyday traffic jam without suffering the noises or the hard set up or an irregular engine, but that's another bad point. i want that a supercar (so something more exotic) is also uncomfortable, i want it makes noise, to be hard and that even the more distracted driver has to notice it. while if we are talking about a more comfortable GT, like a Jag, it is not comfy and silent in everyday drive, it is a sofa, it's cosy, and since i would be relaxing, i even don't care other drivers to notice my car. a thing that they do, btw. the simply fact that a car is usable in every situation makes it a little less desirable, like if it was too much easy to choose it and drive it. like "ballerina shoes" for girls. it's the more immediate shoes to use to go out and being nice, more comfortable than with high heels, but it's not a good looking shoes and it's the most common one. they both are idiot/situation-proof and not enough exclusive.