Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

It just occured to me.

Wallew- you may have enough power to match the power-to-weight ratio, but does that mean it'll be as fast as the Porsche?

The Porsche is a nice slippery design, and the CV is a bit of a wardrobe on wheels... as proved by the drag coefficient- 997 is 0.28, compared to 0.38 for the Crown Vic. Guess you need a little more power now, huh?

And your buddy may be fast on a track in his Taurus SHO, but have you considered the fact that he's very much used to that car, and will happily fling it about knowing that it won't cost loads to repair? If you stuff your new Carrera into the Armco at stupid mph, you won't be too pleased. I suspect that not everyone will be as experienced as your bud, or as used to their ride, or as reckless with it.

EDIT: I remember Car and Driver tried to make their own police interceptor out of a Crown Vic. They grenaded two engines before they got the bloody thing to 150mph. You think your backyard bodge-job will hold out against a car with a warranty?

[wallew]

Iwanna,
Yeah. It's called a Dodge Charger Interceptor. 150 mph AND a warranty.

Now if you want to really stoke it up, drop in a blower. BOOM, well over that, of course the warranty goes out the window.

BTW, what was your first car?

Mine was a 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible. 289 V8 with a 3/4 grind Shelby cam and mechanical lifters mated to a four speed tranny. Adjusted the lifters every Friday night prior to going out to dust Corvettes and Camaros for gas and date money during the week. There WAS a buddy of mine with a nasty soft yellow Camaro that I just could never beat. He turned low 11's. And in one year, I went through three clutches. The fourth one was a full race clutch. That solved the clutch problem. Then I had to be careful with launching due to problems with 'axle wrap'.

That was in 1972, the year I graduated high school. I probably have a picture around somewhere if you want proof (and I just found the title for my 1978 911 Porsche that I owned in 1984 - if you want I'll scan it in and post that also). I've owned 27 cars and trucks over the past 34 years. And six motorcycles. From fast to slow. Large to small. I have been a member of the car culture for a LOOONG time. When I got MY first car, muscle cars WERE IT. Porsches were for pussies. And even my Mustang could and DID spank them every time they felt like losing their money. So yah, I'm a noob.

Haven't heard of the RTM Production company by any chance? PowerBlock TV on Saturdays and Sundays on Spike TV? They USED to have a forum called PowerBlock forums. I was the first moderator. SO yah, I'm a noob.

You kids these days have NO IDEA what the meaning of fast is. 140 mph in a Shelby 500 convertible. Standing up in the back seat, holding onto the roll bar screaming at the top of your lungs. Down Braeswood Blvd in Houston, Texas at three in the morning. My buddy who owned that eventually wrecked it. His dad had it fixed, took it away from him and sold it. Oh well, that's life.

[2ndclasscitizen]

Originally Posted by wallew

You kids these days have NO IDEA what the meaning of fast is. 140 mph in a Shelby 500 convertible. Standing up in the back seat, holding onto the roll bar screaming at the top of your lungs. Down Braeswood Blvd in Houston, Texas at three in the morning. My buddy who owned that eventually wrecked it. His dad had it fixed, took it away from him and sold it. Oh well, that's life.

So because we're not completely insane, we don't what fast is? Try hanging over a pit wall with a foot-long camera as a 600hp V8 Supercar roars past just past the end of it. That's nuts.

[2004CVPI]

I'm new, found this site while looking for modified CVPI's. I just picked up a 2004 CVPI from my department a few months ago. Got a smoking deal (28k miles, $11,500) it was involved in a (minor) rear end collision, and its department policy to remove a car from service if anything beyond cosmetic damage is incurred.

Most officers love the CVPI's for no other reason then their comfort. They're not fast, and they do NOT handle well. The suspension modifications are for rugged driving (running over curbs, hitting pot-holes, etc.. we run over a LOT of crap in our 8 hours of driving per day) NOT for cornering.

As for 0-60 and top speed, most departments have, or will soon have pursuit policies. Our policy is if it's not a felony, do not pursue. If we have an air unit up, stop the pursuit. Our cars RARELY see anything over 90MPH. I've had my unit in the triple digits a handful of times. Only once did I continually bounce the car off the speed limiter, and that was during an Officer in need of assistance call. 3am, straight shot out the highway, no traffic in sight.

We don't have to drive fast. If I can't end the pursuit before it's terminated, then there are 137 other officers in my precinct, 5xx in the county that are headed my way and will be ghosting him soon. Not to mention based on his direction of travel any other city/county will be notified, so chalk that up to another xxx officers waiting.

Regardless, these things will NOT run with a Corvette, Trans Am, Camaro, Porche, or anything else with just $5,000 invested. Nitrous, you would have to spray the WORLD at it. Supercharger, You'd have to run more boost than the engine would allow. Turbo, see Supercharger. Rebuilding the engine to handle the spray/boost would put you well out of the $5,000 range, whether you did the work yourself or not.

My CVPI's best 1/4 time is 15.9, my 1998 Trans Am's best is 13.6 (stock). Over 2 full seconds that you would have to knock off, $5,000 will not hit that goal for you. Perhaps if you gutted the interior, stripped the bumpers, doors, body panels, removed all glass and shot enough nitrous to make 1 trip down the track only to return with a melted hunk of metal you'd call an engine, then just MAYBE it'd break into the 13's, but I seriously doubt it.

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

Originally Posted by 2004CVPI

I'm new, found this site while looking for modified CVPI's. I just picked up a 2004 CVPI from my department a few months ago. Got a smoking deal (28k miles, $11,500) it was involved in a (minor) rear end collision, and its department policy to remove a car from service if anything beyond cosmetic damage is incurred.

Most officers love the CVPI's for no other reason then their comfort. They're not fast, and they do NOT handle well. The suspension modifications are for rugged driving (running over curbs, hitting pot-holes, etc.. we run over a LOT of crap in our 8 hours of driving per day) NOT for cornering.

As for 0-60 and top speed, most departments have, or will soon have pursuit policies. Our policy is if it's not a felony, do not pursue. If we have an air unit up, stop the pursuit. Our cars RARELY see anything over 90MPH. I've had my unit in the triple digits a handful of times. Only once did I continually bounce the car off the speed limiter, and that was during an Officer in need of assistance call. 3am, straight shot out the highway, no traffic in sight.

We don't have to drive fast. If I can't end the pursuit before it's terminated, then there are 137 other officers in my precinct, 5xx in the county that are headed my way and will be ghosting him soon. Not to mention based on his direction of travel any other city/county will be notified, so chalk that up to another xxx officers waiting.

Regardless, these things will NOT run with a Corvette, Trans Am, Camaro, Porche, or anything else with just $5,000 invested. Nitrous, you would have to spray the WORLD at it. Supercharger, You'd have to run more boost than the engine would allow. Turbo, see Supercharger. Rebuilding the engine to handle the spray/boost would put you well out of the $5,000 range, whether you did the work yourself or not.

My CVPI's best 1/4 time is 15.9, my 1998 Trans Am's best is 13.6 (stock). Over 2 full seconds that you would have to knock off, $5,000 will not hit that goal for you. Perhaps if you gutted the interior, stripped the bumpers, doors, body panels, removed all glass and shot enough nitrous to make 1 trip down the track only to return with a melted hunk of metal you'd call an engine, then just MAYBE it'd break into the 13's, but I seriously doubt it.

Thanks. It's nice to see someone with first-hand experience relating this.

Originally Posted by Wallew

Iwanna,
Yeah. It's called a Dodge Charger Interceptor. 150 mph AND a warranty.

Now if you want to really stoke it up, drop in a blower. BOOM, well over that, of course the warranty goes out the window.

BTW, what was your first car?

Mine was a 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible. 289 V8 with a 3/4 grind Shelby cam and mechanical lifters mated to a four speed tranny. Adjusted the lifters every Friday night prior to going out to dust Corvettes and Camaros for gas and date money during the week. There WAS a buddy of mine with a nasty soft yellow Camaro that I just could never beat. He turned low 11's. And in one year, I went through three clutches. The fourth one was a full race clutch. That solved the clutch problem. Then I had to be careful with launching due to problems with 'axle wrap'.

That was in 1972, the year I graduated high school. I probably have a picture around somewhere if you want proof (and I just found the title for my 1978 911 Porsche that I owned in 1984 - if you want I'll scan it in and post that also). I've owned 27 cars and trucks over the past 34 years. And six motorcycles. From fast to slow. Large to small. I have been a member of the car culture for a LOOONG time. When I got MY first car, muscle cars WERE IT. Porsches were for pussies. And even my Mustang could and DID spank them every time they felt like losing their money. So yah, I'm a noob.

Haven't heard of the RTM Production company by any chance? PowerBlock TV on Saturdays and Sundays on Spike TV? They USED to have a forum called PowerBlock forums. I was the first moderator. SO yah, I'm a noob.

You kids these days have NO IDEA what the meaning of fast is. 140 mph in a Shelby 500 convertible. Standing up in the back seat, holding onto the roll bar screaming at the top of your lungs. Down Braeswood Blvd in Houston, Texas at three in the morning. My buddy who owned that eventually wrecked it. His dad had it fixed, took it away from him and sold it. Oh well, that's life.

My first car is a Peugeot 206. However, I have been hanging around with mechanics and friends who love to bodge since I was 7. So that's 10 years of experience so far. When I was 7, I learnt from my next door neighbour a lot of tricks. Granted, I was too young to put any into practise, but I helped him re-build his Sierra 4x4 engine, and fix up an aging Porsche 924- which involved the fitting of a shiny Garrett turbo. Unfortunately, my younger mind did not hold these treasured memories too well.

Since then, our mechanic has allowed me to poke around and mess about with old cars that he has hanging about. My sister's latest boyfriend is a mechanic, who has just reliably tuned his car from 204bhp to 270bhp. He's showing me what you do and how you do it at the moment. As soon as I have a year of no claims, we'll be upgrading my 206.

I did not mean to offend you, the noob sign is a little piece of humour... lighten up!

And please can you answer the aero questions using the car you started with (and also the car that the thread is about)? I've faithfully stuck with the Porsche, but you seem to have jumped ahead to the Charger..?

EDIT: Oh, and please take into account the driver experience...

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by wallew

That was in 1972, the year I graduated high school. I probably have a picture around somewhere if you want proof (and I just found the title for my 1978 911 Porsche that I owned in 1984 - if you want I'll scan it in and post that also). I've owned 27 cars and trucks over the past 34 years. And six motorcycles. From fast to slow. Large to small. I have been a member of the car culture for a LOOONG time. When I got MY first car, muscle cars WERE IT. Porsches were for pussies. And even my Mustang could and DID spank them every time they felt like losing their money. So yah, I'm a noob.

Without having read the whole thread just wanted to say something. 1972 (when you had your first car) saw the birth of what arguably is the finest 911 ever built the Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7. Let me doubt that that particular car is for pussies. But it gets better because in 1973 a Porsche 911 Carrera RSR (a direct descendant of the Carrera RS) won the 24hrs of Daytona overall, finishing in front of any muscle car (or prototype in fact) you care to mention.

So if Porsches were for pussies where does your beloved Mustang feature?

[Dan Flynn]

Originally Posted by jcp123

Aww now no jumping to conclusions! Remember, I gotta get it home somehow! That involves putting it in the back and then driving home.

OK, that's better!

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Originally Posted by Fleet 500

I was referring to the Jaguar and Rover photos which is why I put the Corolla in parenthesis.

I am posting valid points, you just refuse to accept them.

I refuse to accept invalid points. but whatever. if it keeps you quiet i'm happy.

[wallew]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Without having read the whole thread just wanted to say something. 1972 (when you had your first car) saw the birth of what arguably is the finest 911 ever built the Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7. Let me doubt that that particular car is for pussies. But it gets better because in 1973 a Porsche 911 Carrera RSR (a direct descendant of the Carrera RS) won the 24hrs of Daytona overall, finishing in front of any muscle car (or prototype in fact) you care to mention.So if Porsches were for pussies where does your beloved Mustang feature?

OH, YEAH. There were JUST SO MANY OF THOSE running around the streets of HOUSTON in 1972. Right after they won Daytona, the came to Houston to private ownership. GET REAL. Those cars didn't hit the streets for several years, and when they did, it wasn't a race car. TALK about off the hook.

2ndcc,
15 years as a freelance photojournalist. PAID AND PUBLISHED in the motorcycle world. You want insane? 1991, Daytona Beach drags. Sat BEHIND the lanes about twenty feet back of where the trees were just behind the guy who tripped the tree lights (you'd be surprised where you can go if you have the correct credentials). Even WITH shooters muffs, the blasts from the bikes were INSANE. I could only take a few runs at a time. Or try Sturgis, 1990, coming around a corner after dark with three buddies in formation. In the middle of the road was the largest barn owl any of us had ever seen. We broke left and right around it as it raised its wings in flight. Scared the crap out of ALL of us. IT WAS DARK and we WERE haulin ass.

And you want REAL INSANE? Go hang out with a bunch of 1% Motorcycle Clubs. Bandidos, Amigos, Sons of Silence are the three largest clubs I hung out with occasionally. I never really took to the Angels, though I did live in the Bay Area twice and went by Sonny Bargers shop once. It was closed because I was too late. And I've got pix from fifteen years of riding the same Harley - a 1989 FLHTCU. Just sold it to a close friend last year. Doctor has me taking just enough meds these days that I lost that 1/2 second you need to stay alive if you are going to ride a large, heavy motorcycle. Looked back one day to find a guy right on my butt. Tailgaters are never a problem. What scared me silly is I never notice HOW LONG he had been there. That was the last time I rode. I am be old, but I ain't stupid.

Oh, and about 'changing' vehicles from the CVI to the DCI. That was because I have a side deal I'm trying to work out right now. I don't KNOW anyone who could help me purchase a new Ford Crown Vic. I DO know someone who MIGHT be able to help me get a new Dodge Charger Interceptor. BUt it's gonna take me doing a job for free. Or maybe several. I'm still working on the datails and awaiting the response.

Besides, ANYBODY can buy a CVI at GSA auction these days. I can list multiple sites that sell them after they buy them at GSA Auction. I can list the GSA site that AUCTIONS them. But this is the first year since 2004 when Dodge ceased selling their Intrepid. Now the new Charger has real possibilities.

04CVPI,
Don't be thinking that just because the Crown Vics your department ran can't do what I say that others can't either. You mention bouncing off the speed limiter your department had on your CVPI's. That means you ALMOST hit 130 mph. With the speed limiter removed and the computer reprogrammed by a Ford tech I know and a different set of gears, you might just be surprised. Can't go fast. Not the way Ford sells them to LE departments, no. Go have a look at the Mercury Marauder VT. Granted, the company that did the VT charged $30k to modify one. But they are in the business to make money. You might be surprised what can be done. Between me and my mechanic who is a drag racer, there are ALL sorts of tricks available.

You folks need to understand something. Unlike MOST people, I have a tendency to do things for people for free. I have been doing this for most of my life. Yes, even as a photojournalist, there were a couple of start up rags that just couldn't pay me. Hey, you want to work, you go where the work is. And hope that the rag is successful. One was. One wasn't.

But over the past thirty four years I've done favors for all sorts of people. Like the old woman with a blown tire on I-25 in the middle of a snow storm. I changed that tire while she sat in my truck staying warm and dry. She tried to pay me. "Sorry ma'am, but my Mom would whoop me if I took money". Or on the Highway just east of Raton, New Mexico where a family had borrowed their fathers pickup truck. The only problem was he forgot to give them the key to unlock the spare tire. I took the father back to town while my wife sat with them, shared our sandwiches and soda with the wife and kids. I've loaned money to friends and never expected to be repaid, because they had fallen on hard times. Only to be repaid by them helping someone else once they got on their feet and tried to repay me. I tell them to 'help someone just like YOU needed my help'. I've done that so many times I can't even remember all of them.

And sometimes, there's just NOTHING you can do. We had just finished lunch in Raton, NM and were about to head east on that same stretch of road when there was a HUGE cloud of smoke that came up from I-25 in the middle of median. I jetted down the ramp and pulled over. I got out to find a head on collision. While my wife dialed 911, I checked the occupants of each vehicle. The driver of the smaller car heading north was dead. His wife was unconcious but breathing. The other car heading south was an older gent in his sixites. He appeared to be dazed but ok. Until I noticed the impact had severed his right hand. I'll NEVER forget that one. I told him to sit still as the ambulance had just arrived. I directed them to the older guy first, because he had a major problem that HAD to be dealt with ASAP. The other driver was dead, so not much they could do for him. The wife was breathing, but passed out. So I told them what I had witnessed and which person seemed to need the attention first. I left the medics and the LEO's to do what they do best. Went back to my truck and before I got back in I threw up lunch. To this day I'll NEVER forget the old man with his hand severed.

I've spent twenty years in the computer field. Then the last ten as a gunsmith. I have two degrees. One in computers and one in gunsmithing. My wife let me retire the first of this year and so as long as I do what she needs done, my time is my own.

And just so there's NO questions about what I say. Here's me and my 1964 1/2 Mustang, back in 1972. Yah, yah make jokes about the hair and the sideburns (and my 'No F@CKEM' glasses). I actually USED to have lots of hair. Not so much anymore.

The second pix was taken by me at the Truckfest here in Denver a couple of years ago. Can anyone name the TV Host that was hamming it up for me?

The next one is of me and my Harley about three years ago while I was still riding (note the drag pipes on a bagger). The leathers I'm wearing are custom made from American Bison (buffalo) and are the best set of leathers I've ever seen anywhere. So much so that I even wrote a story about them and got it published. If you folks want, I'll post that article.

IWantAnAudiRS6, you see those boots I'm wearing in that shot? I've been wearing them for FIFTEEN YEARS. That's about five years longer than you've been 'working' on vehicles.

These days, I've sold all my go fast toys. I'm down to one vehicle right now. Here's a little ditty that was published in "Diesel Power" magazine about my current 'ride' a couple of months back.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by wallew

OH, YEAH. There were JUST SO MANY OF THOSE running around the streets of HOUSTON in 1972. Right after they won Daytona, the came to Houston to private ownership. GET REAL. Those cars didn't hit the streets for several years, and when they did, it wasn't a race car. TALK about off the hook

The number of Porsches in Houston in 1972 has actually nothing to do with you original statement. Many Porsches or not, doesn't change the fact the they were serious drivers cars, more than a Falcon based pony car anyway...

[fpv_gtho]

Originally Posted by wallew

You folks need to understand something.

Touching story, but theres something you need to understand as well. Alot of people here wont give a 2nd thought to how you live your life elsewhere, or how you have done in the past. How you conduct yourself here is what matters.

[wallew]

http://www.allpar.com/squads/police-...e-testing.html

There ya go. LAPD testing ALL the cars. INCLUDING the new Charger. Which with the Hemi beat all of them hands down. Stopped better as well.

And regards to MY CONDUCT HERE, I only respond to personal attacks with FACTS from MY PAST. As I have a tendency not to get offended, but like I have said elsewhere, I don't back up worth a damn. I am a stubborn old coot. Who has been there done that. Way more than most.

So to have someone want to think I'm some kind of wet behind the ears punk, I just can't let it slide. And I TRY to be nice to you folks.

Porsche as a 'serious' driver car in 1972. Not so much. Shortly there after, maybe. By the early eighties, yah, you betcha. THESE DAYS? Killer cars. With prices to match.

You don't believe me? Water off a ducks back. But don't expect me to sit by and idly be personally attacked. That just AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Sorry, but I'm not built that way.

You get the behavior YOU ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT. I don't accept bad or rude behavior in person OR ON THE NET. Never have. Never will. I'll step up in your face in person and will do so on the net.

One more thing. Unlike a lot of 'web surfers', my name doesn't change from one chat room to another. I've probably been thrown off more forums than most of you have even visited. Exactly because I don't back down. I call a spade a spade (OK, maybe a 'F@cking Shovel').

And that's Jessi Combs, who along with Ian Johnson are the TV Hosts of 'Extreme 4x4' on Spike TV on Saturdays and Sundays. I got the chance to feed them and their whole crew BBQ from a buddy of mines resturant that has been dubbed 'best BBQ in Denver' by the Denver Post. Got a chance to sit down and chat with all of them. Really nice folks. As I am sure EVERYONE HERE IS AS WELL. And to prove my point, I'll make any of you the same offer I made them. You passing through Denver anytime? Drop me a line and I'LL BUY breakfast, lunch or dinner. I know a lot of the best resturants in this berg. MY TREAT. I'm truly NOT a bad guy, I just don't suffer fools lightly.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by wallew

Porsche as a 'serious' driver car in 1972. Not so much. Shortly there after, maybe. By the early eighties, yah, you betcha. THESE DAYS? Killer cars. With prices to match.

High performance cars have always been dangerous. Just to end the Porsche thing. Porsche were meant to be sportscars from the start, right from the first 356. Therefore they were drivers cars.

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

Originally Posted by allpar site

The Ford Police Interceptor, currently by far the best seller, had mediocre braking compared to any Chrylser vehicle, though it fared about as well as the Impala , Tahoe, and Expedition.

W, even your beloved car sites condemn the CVI for having crap brakes- the same as TRUCKS!! Hey- maybe we should ask them to bring along a 997 and see if the CVI, with a tested 0-60 of exactly 4 seconds slower, will beat it...

Oh, and here's a backlist of things to answer for you, I've gleaned them from other members' posts, and some of mine...

- Aerodynamics: you have bad enough aerodynamics on the NORMAL CV, without the police's added ram bars...
- Whether the Porsche, according to an esteemed member, is better.
- How come you suddenly changed from wholeheartedly backing the CV to a Charger after I asked about aerodynamics?
- What about driver experience on a track? Your friend and his SHO may be fast, but don't forget that some people may not want to crash their car. Or they may not be used to it.

Oh, and some more nice quotes...

Originally Posted by allpar site

the Chevy came in last place by a tenth of a second, though the Ford 3.55's time was very similar

Originally Posted by allpar site

(the high-performance Ford was the worst performer in braking)

Originally Posted by allpar site

The Hemi version of the Charger simply wipes the floor with the Chevy and Ford.

Thanks for that some nice ammo there! Now, remember, you're backing the Ford because it's less expensive...

[5zigen]

why does police use those car?? hard to hande?? why dont use evo or sti?? i'll be better to chase a car around a city street??