Suspected Bomber Shot Dead

[6'bore]

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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189920,00.html

[Homem de Gelo]

I hope the police were right, it would serve him well.

[Matra et Alpine]

Good on 'em.
Did worry me that the initial reposrt on the bbc were saygin that witnesses were reportign the guy was chased onto the train, tackled, held down AND THEN SHOT - 5 times.

THAT is just a little worrying :(

[R34GTR]

^^ who cares if he's a suicide bomber serves him right what he was about to do was a lot worse than that I can tell you, and even if he's innocent he shouldn't have acted so suspicious

[Matra et Alpine]

^^ who cares if he's a suicide bomber serves him right what he was about to do was a lot worse than that I can tell you, and even if he's innocent he shouldn't have acted so suspicious
The problem in a police force acting that way is WHAT IF HE ISN'T ?

"Acting suspicious" isn't yet a crime on this side of the Atlantic :)

The investigation ( every gun use in the UK requires this ) will give the details and jsutifications and if necessary appropriate actions.

[R34GTR]

The man was wearing a bloody wintercoat in the middle of the summer, there's an incident on Harrow road aswell involving bombs. It is pretty serious over there no casualties as of yet

EDIT: reports emerging that it is ever more clear the man that was shot was a SUICIDE BOMBER

[Matra et Alpine]

The man was wearing a bloody wintercoat in the middle of the summer, there's an incident on Harrow road aswell involving bombs. It is pretty serious over there no casualties as of yet

EDIT: reports emerging that it is ever more clear the man that was shot was a SUICIDE BOMBER
The point I raised clearly was they alledgeldy put 5 BULLETS in this guy while he was held down.
No need to go off on the tangent of was the person a risk.
LOTS of folks visit the UK and wear winter coats. You ever gone to Helsinki and wondered how everyeon seems happy to walk around in t-shirts ?????

IN a 'free' world, the reasons for shooting anyone MUST be that there was NO OTHER OPTION. *I*F this guy was being held down then it is highly dubious.

Thankfully the full investigation into the action will be undertaken and there may be other mitigating reasons.

from bbc -- " officers at the scene had said the man shot was the Oval bomb suspect. " Witnesses talked of a belt with wires IF he still had hold of those then that might be "reasonable cause" - but for FIVE ??

[jorismo]

Well, if he really was a suicide bomber then it a great job of the police. Let's hope these don't happen to often anymore because it's real bad for the image of London.

[Matra et Alpine]

Well, if he really was a suicide bomber then it a great job of the police. Let's hope these don't happen to often anymore because it's real bad for the image of London.
hopfeully it's generally for the good showing that we can track down those who DO try to inflict terror.
I kind of owuld have preferred it if it had been a trial though and to prevent the "Birtish police have a shoot to kill poolicy against Muslims" as I'm sure the radicals are now using to support their on-going brain-washing :(

[byronleehk]

Five shots...because they were unloading their anger of the previous bombing on him, I think.

[my porsche]

"Acting suspicious" isn't yet a crime on this side of the Atlantic :)

or this side thank you, im kind of tired of your anti-american ranting.


i say good for them shows they arent going to put up with this shit and will fight back, if someone is running from the police right after a bombing, he obviously did something wrong. otherwise why would you run? :confused: :rolleyes:

[my porsche]

LOTS of folks visit the UK and wear winter coats. You ever gone to Helsinki and wondered how everyeon seems happy to walk around in t-shirts ?????
No, They dont. I went to pretty much the whole of london and didnt see a SINGLE winter coat....it was 80 degrees outside, normal people dont wear coats in that heat

[Clique]

This shooting i think will help radicals brainwash young muslims. Shooting a person 5 times is a bit extreme regardless of what he/she has done. Apperantly they shot him 5 times in the HEAD one shot would of killed him but why shot him 5 times?

[Matra et Alpine]

No, They dont. I went to pretty much the whole of london and didnt see a SINGLE winter coat....it was 80 degrees outside, normal people dont wear coats in that heat
erm you're NOT READING !!!!

I pointed out Helsinki locals wear t-shirts.
I wore an overcoat !!

In London, those visitors from warmer climes may well wear overcoats.

You're excessivly obtuse :)

PS: I'm not "anti-American". I'm anti-freedom and anti-politicians who manipulate and yes anti-populations who allow their freedoms to be taken away. I see the Patriot act is getting renewed !!
By all means correct me about excessive use of armed force against population :) Amnesty International can be a good starting place !!

[my porsche]

erm you're NOT READING !!!!

I pointed out Helsinki locals wear t-shirts.
I wore an overcoat !!

In London, those visitors from warmer climes may well wear overcoats.

You're excessivly obtuse :)

PS: I'm not "anti-American". I'm anti-freedom and anti-politicians who manipulate and yes anti-populations who allow their freedoms to be taken away. I see the Patriot act is getting renewed !!
By all means correct me about excessive use of armed force against population :) Amnesty International can be a good starting place !!
you're anti freedom? why?

[Matra et Alpine]

you're anti freedom? why?
missing a "quote".

I meant to say anti-"freedom" :)

[Jack_Bauer]

Sky News are now reporting from a "source" that the man shot dead on the train WASN'T one of the 4 suspects of yesterday's attempted bombings. :(
I hope that there is a very good explanation of why he was taken down, proving that he was a very definite threat to public lives.

As to why they shot him 5 times I think it is understandable if he was a suicide bomber. There have been incidents in the Middle East where security forces have shot suicide bombers and they have still been able to detonate their device while seriously injured. The instructions HAVE to be shoot to kill I think, the consequences (especially on a busy underground train) are just too great if they don't fully incapacitate the guy.

[Matra et Alpine]

As to why they shot him 5 times I think it is understandable if he was a suicide bomber. There have been incidents in the Middle East where security forces have shot suicide bombers and they have still been able to detonate their device while seriously injured. The instructions HAVE to be shoot to kill I think, the consequences (especially on a busy underground train) are just too great if they don't fully incapacitate the guy.
J_B the concern raised was that the inital reports say they had tackled him and pinned him down and THEN shot him 5 TIMES in the head.
That's different from a body shot from 50m to a terrorist !

We'll know once the investigation on the shooting is completed.

[Homem de Gelo]

Did worry me that the initial reposrt on the bbc were saygin that witnesses were reportign the guy was chased onto the train, tackled, held down AND THEN SHOT - 5 times.

THAT is just a little worrying :(


Better that than him exploding while people try to handcuff him. If he was inocent, he wouldn't even have run in the first place.

[Homem de Gelo]

This shooting i think will help radicals brainwash young muslims. Shooting a person 5 times is a bit extreme regardless of what he/she has done. Apperantly they shot him 5 times in the HEAD one shot would of killed him but why shot him 5 times?


To send out a message to both the populaiton and the terrorists.

[Clique]

To send out a message to both the populaiton and the terrorists.
I get what you mean. But still if the terrorists see their own people getting shot 5 times by 'infidels' wouldnt that make them more eager to kill more 'infidels'.

[Matra et Alpine]

To send out a message to both the populaiton and the terrorists.
yep, the message being you are going to DIE anyway so you may as well build a bomb and blow it up and take them with you :(

It's NOT a good time to be using excessive force. We hope we'd learned that aroudn the world these last 20 years :(

[Matra et Alpine]

Better that than him exploding while people try to handcuff him. If he was inocent, he wouldn't even have run in the first place.
IF he is GUILTY then it is up to THE COURTS to judge and sentence.

In the way you've written that it has a slight taste of allowing the police to be all 3 arms of the law - BAD idea :(

If he was immobilized then HOW is he supposed to explode it ?
As I've said, maybe with a button in his hand etc etc.
We'll know once the official investigation is complete - at least THAT part of our justice hasn't been hijacked yet !!

[Pando]

I just read about this on teletext and was quite surprised. The "Big Brother" society is not that many steps away... :(

I pointed out Helsinki locals wear t-shirts.
I wore an overcoat !!

Yay for locals! :D

[Homem de Gelo]

Yeah, the escalading violence is a problem, but what can be done when diplomacy and reasoning completely fail (for the most various reasons)???

[Rockefella]

How sure are the police in this investigation. The story almost sounds as if he jumped the gate and ran from the cops like most of us would if you saw a cop yelling at you. I can understand why they shot him if he was wearing a heavy trenchcoat w/ exposed wires but the validity of that whole bit isn't too great.

[my porsche]

How sure are the police in this investigation. The story almost sounds as if he jumped the gate and ran from the cops like most of us would if you saw a cop yelling at you. I can understand why they shot him if he was wearing a heavy trenchcoat w/ exposed wires but the validity of that whole bit isn't too great.
if i saw a cop yelling at me, i wouldnt run :rolleyes:

[Pando]

if i saw a cop yelling at me, i wouldnt run :rolleyes:
You don't live in NJ...

[Fumacher]

sick ppl, i dont think court n stuff will work. It only takes a lot of time and they will just lock the person in question up.

This shooting is not good, but i think you have to act hard against something that plays hard. And if the guy is a terrorist, he is already prepared to die.
But the thing that bothers me most is "was it a terrorist".

[my porsche]

true, true :D

[Rockefella]

You don't live in NJ...
LMAO, you have no idea how true that statement is. :D No one, I repeat NoOne (Dave), sorry I thought that was funny, stays for the cops under the age of 18 in New Jersey.

[my porsche]

hector while your reading this, check your inbox :D

[taz_rocks_miami]

hector while your reading this, check your inbox :D

LOL, ok.

I'm with Matra here. Shooting a guy while he is bieng held down looks excesive. We, shouldn't stoop down to their level. Besides, if they could have arrested him, there is a chance the authorities could have gotten info on this guys terrorist cell and maybe prevented a couple of future attacks.

[my porsche]

LOL, ok.

I'm with Matra here. Shooting a guy while he is bieng held down looks excesive. We, shouldn't stoop down to their level. Besides, if they could have arrested him, there is a chance the authorities could have gotten info on this guys terrorist cell and maybe prevented a couple of future attacks.
good call, theres a reason why in western movies hes always like "i want him alive"

[R34GTR]

I couldn't care if they put a tomahawke missile in his ***, The risk is far to great pinned down or shot from 50 yards, 1 kill or another 50 it's your call, I think the police made the right call it's about protecting the citizens not about obeying the law or acting proper. Oh and BTW they stated on a press conference that this man was linked to the bombing on thursday.

[Matra et Alpine]

A bit extreme view in "free democracy", there R34 :)

Do you believe in the courts and justice. Is it innocent until PROVEN guilty or shoot first ?

I tihnk to come DOWN from that view lessens us and justifies the terrorist in his future actions. After all it is supposed to be abotu us having a "better" system. By how much we're willing to become liek those against us determines our right to claim our system "better" and defend it surely ?

[R34GTR]

I agree we shouldn't go down to their level and make this an armegeddon(sp?) state or what ever I'm just saying in these extreme cases of a potential suicide bomb attack or any attack at all that could cost the lives of more than 1 person(the bomber) It should be allowed, for me It's all about the risks of losing innocent lives, I'm definetly not saying a "shoot-first" policy for everything just in these extreme cases

[Matra et Alpine]

Well sadly this guy had NOTHIGN to do with it, had no bombs or weapons on him.

his "only" crime seems to have been coming out of a house and runnign when confronted with plain-clothes "security" - rumours abound they were special services :(

A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.
A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police

Another senseless loss of life :(

[R34GTR]

look mate off course it is a sad loss of life and thus the metropolitan police have responden with an apology but He challenged police and refused to obey orders, before he was shot and killed Friday morning, Blair said Friday.

In these times behaviour like that is not going to work in your favour, and you should acknowledge that with the stress the police is on things like that can happen.

[Wouter Melissen]

look mate off course it is a sad loss of life and thus the metropolitan police have responden with an apology but He challenged police and refused to obey orders, before he was shot and killed Friday morning, Blair said Friday.

In these times behaviour like that is not going to work in your favour, and you should acknowledge that with the stress the police is on things like that can happen.
So it's ok now for everybody who runs from cops in plain cloths to get executed on the spot? He might just have been confused, because the cops were in plain cloths. Random murders by the authorities should not happen in a democracy, regardless of the situation.

[Matra et Alpine]

look mate off course it is a sad loss of life and thus the metropolitan police have responden with an apology but He challenged police and refused to obey orders, before he was shot and killed Friday morning, Blair said Friday.

In these times behaviour like that is not going to work in your favour, and you should acknowledge that with the stress the police is on things like that can happen.
No it's NOT.

You may wish to live in a police state, I vote to prevent that and await the proper legal steps reserved in the UK for unlawful killing. Our police stand by the same laws we as citizens do. They are trained under stress to make the right legal choices. We went over this 20 years ago with the way the IRA were being treated and got it cleared out.

yeah, it's tough and YES it puts a slightly higher risk of a criminal act.
BUT to do otherwise is no better than the worst fascist and communist regimes fo the century :(

[Matra et Alpine]

shit, the police are now saying the guy they shot was Brazilian :(

Proably explains the running from guys with guns !
I've worked in Rio, Sao Paolo, Curitiba and Brasilia. Plenty fo guns around and most folks willing to shoot for a few $ :(

[Homem de Gelo]

Isn't it ironic?
I'm the one supporting the police and it turns thwe guy was Brazilian like I.

[R34GTR]

Obviously people are misunderstanding me I'm not sayin' this should happen , I'm just saying that behaviour like that in these times things like that could happen to you. o btw I'm not pro-police state but what's your opinion on Italy then

btw srry for the misunderstanding Matra I'm not a fascist :D

[my porsche]

Isn't it ironic?
I'm the one supporting the police and it turns thwe guy was Brazilian like I.
thats is kind of funny

[Rockefella]

Obviously people are misunderstanding me I'm not sayin' this should happen , I'm just saying that behaviour like that in these times things like that could happen to you. o btw I'm not pro-police state but what's your opinion on Italy then

btw srry for the misunderstanding Matra I'm not a fascist :D
But from what I've heard in this thread, they had the guy held down, and then shot him 5 times in the head, even though he was essentially unable to move. Once a man is in custody, it should be police policy to arrest the man and then bring them in for questioning/court arraignment, not end his life and give those close to him a lost friend/wife/father/etc.

[Matra et Alpine]

Obviously people are misunderstanding me I'm not sayin' this should happen , I'm just saying that behaviour like that in these times things like that could happen to you. o btw I'm not pro-police state but what's your opinion on Italy then

btw srry for the misunderstanding Matra I'm not a fascist :D
it's OK, there 's a whole range of social and politcal beliefs between left and right :) Excessive police powers isn't limited to "fascist" states :(

South or North Italy ? I found quite a difference. Only from a "visitor" perspective though. No worse than most IMHO. Since they cleared up some of the corruption in the law courst I think it's got better about letting justive take it's course. Views on local police are best provided by locals though as they see the wide range.

Reports tend to only see the extremes. This event is WELL out of character and public expectation of the British Police force - and partly why you're seeing so many apoligies now flying from then :(

Expectations has a lot to do with it to..... In South Africa I NEVER did ANYTHING to have an officer ask me a second time or even to attract their attention.

[Pando]

Great. Now it turns out he was friggin innocent... *sigh*
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4712061.stm

[nota]

Great. Now it turns out he was friggin innocent... *sigh*
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4712061.stm
... but he could've possessed WMDs

I guess it's the ripple effect from Bliar stating that Iraq did have WMDs

We live in strange times :(

[Matra et Alpine]

Tell you waht is even WORSE about this.

IDIOTS like this writing cr@p like that ..... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163420,00.html

Guess what station - that'll be FOX then !!!

JEEEESUS I hope we put in airport controls to stop pelple like this breathing our air !!!!

"put 5 in the noggin" absolutely f*****g disgusting.
"All of this trumps any of my other complaints that the Brits weren't making the right noises about fighting terror"
Where was this numpty while british police were fighting the IRA ? He clearly hasn't a CLUE abotu us !!!!!

Britains dont' need a*****s like that sayign anything about us , our police or what WE want !!!!

Sorry, guys, ANY point in the past where I've reconsidered my view on biased reporting in US media has just gone well out the window :(

[my porsche]

has anyone mentioned the fact that this guy was living in the same apartment as the bombers from 2 weeks ago?

[Rockefella]

has anyone mentioned the fact that this guy was living in the same apartment as the bombers from 2 weeks ago?
Prove it?

[Jack_Bauer]

has anyone mentioned the fact that this guy was living in the same apartment as the bombers from 2 weeks ago?

Whereabouts did you hear that? I know he lived in the same area (Tulse Hill) as somebody who the police have arrested today as part of the investigation, but I've heard nothing about him living with the bombers. Most of the bombers of 2 weeks ago came from Leeds, a couple of hundred miles North of London. :confused:

[crisis]

Tell you waht is even WORSE about this.

IDIOTS like this writing cr@p like that ..... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163420,00.html

Guess what station - that'll be FOX then !!!

JEEEESUS I hope we put in airport controls to stop pelple like this breathing our air !!!!

"put 5 in the noggin" absolutely f*****g disgusting.
"All of this trumps any of my other complaints that the Brits weren't making the right noises about fighting terror"
Where was this numpty while british police were fighting the IRA ? He clearly hasn't a CLUE abotu us !!!!!

Britains dont' need a*****s like that sayign anything about us , our police or what WE want !!!!

Sorry, guys, ANY point in the past where I've reconsidered my view on biased reporting in US media has just gone well out the window :(
John Gibson sounds like a balaned individual. :rolleyes: I was not surprised to see that on FOX. Its the way neocons deal with everything. Black and white. Unfortunately they dont have a plan for grey. I like the way some Pom polly came out and said the guy is another victim of the bombings. I so against the conspiracy therories and over rationalisation of the terrorists side of the story but unless the British government comes out now and say we were wrong and we F*#@d up , they are going to look very suspect.

[Matra et Alpine]

has anyone mentioned the fact that this guy was living in the same apartment as the bombers from 2 weeks ago?
FOX News maybe ??

The closest they've got to describing this guys situation was that he came from a block where there were some possible suspects being monitored.

[crisis]

has anyone mentioned the fact that this guy was living in the same apartment as the bombers from 2 weeks ago?
I would make sure to never rent an apartment next to potential suicide bombers if I lived in Britain then. :rolleyes:

[my porsche]

(my bad i got it confused he didnt libve there just visited regualarly)

well i saw on the news that he kept going in and out of a building that the police were surveiling, and then the morning of the second bombing he came out of it wearing a heavily padded overcoat, the polic followed him to the station, chased him told him to stop and he jumped on a train and then after they shot him they found no weapons

the cops(bobbies, sorry) were saying that if you act like that they are supposed to shoot to kill etc. blahdy blah blah

and NO matra, not fox news, i only watch ABC news, GOOD MORNING AMERICA :D

[my porsche]

I would make sure to never rent an apartment next to potential suicide bombers if I lived in Britain then. :rolleyes:
thats generally a good idea, anywahere you go :)

[Matra et Alpine]

the cops(bobbies, sorry) were saying that if you act like that they are supposed to shoot to kill etc. blahdy blah blah
no they are not.

under Biritsh law they have to believe there is no other option before "shoot to kill".

As stated earlier, more will come out in the inquest and we'll get the difference between the police saying they called for him to stop and the witnesses who didn't hear it. The diffrence between the police saying they had to shoot and the witnesses saying they had pinned him to the floor and immobilised him and then shot him in the head 5 times. Also it will correct some misconceptions. It wasn't a particularly warm day and the 'overcoat' will be described properly.

[Esperante]

I've had severed contact with the real world for the past week-there were attempted bombings on Thursday? Wow....

[crisis]

thats generally a good idea, anywahere you go :)
Of course there is the small issue of how to tell a suicide bomber if it isnt tattoed on his head.

[Wouter Melissen]

thats generally a good idea, anywahere you go :)
Texas must be a long way away from the real world.

[my porsche]

Texas must be a long way away from the real world.
whaaaat? matt told me if i am joking to add a smiley, so i did :D

[Coventrysucks]

I am unsurprised, and very dismayed, that the family announced that they intend to sue the authorities responsible.

Oh dear, our beloved son is dead, how can we make some money out of this?

Nice.

[Matra et Alpine]

I am unsurprised, and very dismayed, that the family announced that they intend to sue the authorities responsible.

Oh dear, our beloved son is dead, how can we make some money out of this?

Nice.
Well true, but another part is to get "closure" by ensuring someone is "brought to justice" through a civil action.

I agree on some of the "stupidity" lawsuits, but in this case I'm not so sure I'd not do the same as there doesn't seem to have been any reason for the action the police took ( given that "innocent until proven guilty" has been the norm for 800 years :( )

[Niko_Fx]

I am unsurprised, and very dismayed, that the family announced that they intend to sue the authorities responsible.

Oh dear, our beloved son is dead, how can we make some money out of this?

Nice.

Suing a video game because you think that it actually has something to do with your son being an idiot who kills people is ridiculous... This, however, makes a lot of sense to me. I would want the bastards who shot my son 7 times in the head -for no reason- to decompose in prison, and if money is awarded then be it so... You have to give an example Cov, you let $h*t like this to slide and you'll have cops abusing their power all the time.

[my porsche]

Suing a video game because you think that it actually has something to do with your son being an idiot who kills people is ridiculous... This, however, makes a lot of sense to me. I would want the bastards who shot my son 7 times in the head -for no reason- to decompose in prison, and if money is awarded then be it so... You have to give an example Cov, you let $h*t like this to slide and you'll have cops abusing their power all the time.
it was 5 times :D and he WAS wearing an overcoat in summer and running from the police, so he isnt totally innocent :)


if england is anything like america court-system wise then the family will win several several millions of dollars, or in this case pounds

[Jack_Bauer]

it was 5 times :D and he WAS wearing an overcoat in summer and running from the police, so he isnt totally innocent :)


He was actually shot EIGHT times it was revealed on Monday. :(

And I sincerely hope you're joking by suggesting wearing an overcoat in summer is an indication of guilt. :rolleyes:

[my porsche]

He was actually shot EIGHT times it was revealed on Monday. :(

And I sincerely hope you're joking by suggesting wearing an overcoat in summer is an indication of guilt. :rolleyes:
no but running form the police is usually a good sign youve done something bad, at least here :rolleyes:


how can they confuse 5 and 8 times?!?! its not that hard to count!

[Matra et Alpine]

it was 5 times :D and he WAS wearing an overcoat in summer and running from the police, so he isnt totally innocent :)
Maybe in gun-toting US of A hicksvilele ( :) ), but the British legal system is founded on an 800 year old document which says you are innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.
Running doesn't mean guilt !!
As already pointed out the guy was Brazilian so this "overcoat" ( we've still not seens a proper description of it yet ) may well ahve been preferred by him on a coolish summer day in Britain - Sao Paolo is a HOT place !!!
Also, he was chased down by plain clothes. Again I've BEEN to Sao Paolo, the first thing you do there is dump youre cash on the ground and RUN from anyeon and everyoen who isn't in a uniform.
ANY presumption of him not being "innocent" ignore the real world of international differences.
if england is anything like america court-system wise then the family will win several several millions of dollars, or in this case pounds
Thankfully it's not, but there would still be a financial reward. However, once they realise the level of investigation and punishment we apply to our forces they may feel that "justice" from our courts will be sufficient. At the moment I suspect they're thinking it'll get pushed under a carpet as in so many other countries :(
After all Britian is a signatory to the International Criminal Court and it's laws -- some countries aren't ( :D ) !!!

[my porsche]

NICE! you managed to fit 4 derogatory remarks about the U.S. into 2 small paragraphs! good job!


:p














:rolleyes:

[Matra et Alpine]

NICE! you managed to fit 4 derogatory remarks about the U.S. into 2 small paragraphs! good job!

Well how the hell us do we get it over to you that their is a differen tworld working to different rules outside of Texas :)
You keep repeating the same comments and NOT reading the facts about the issue.
It's not ALL of the USA - I very carefully added "hicksville".
Also pointed out that some countries ( US isn't the only one, it's in "good" comapny ) haven't signed the ICC stuff. The family may not be used to having those legal frameworks availabel to them without the need for VERY expensive lawyers. That you think that is "dergoatory" to the US makes me think you believe the same :D

[Niko_Fx]

From what I read it was 8 times, 7 of which were in the head... It doesn't really matter MP, 5 - 7 shots in the head, what's the difference if one is enough?

he WAS wearing an overcoat in summer and running from the police, so he isnt totally innocent

Definitely a good reason to blow somebody's head up :rolleyes:

[henk4]

[QUOTE=my porsche]NICE! you managed to fit 4 derogatory remarks about the U.S. into 2 small paragraphs! good job!
/QUOTE]

given the current situation in the USA that is not a big achievement.

[Wouter Melissen]

it was 5 times :D and he WAS wearing an overcoat in summer and running from the police, so he isnt totally innocent :)

So running for three yelling armed men is enough for you to have somebody executed?

[Matra et Alpine]

So running for three yelling armed men is enough for you to have somebody executed?
Hey, to a Texan, anything can be ....

Feb 2005, HOUSTON -- A 16-year-old boy was charged with shooting his father in their southwest Harris County home Friday, Local 2 reported. The shooting was originally reported as a case of domestic abuse, but deputies said the boy apparently witnessed a sexual act between his parents and thought the father was abusing the mother.


If it wasn't a death this could be mildly funny. Instead it's just sick and disgusting and the problem when "innocent until proven guilty" is trampled from the lawcourts and midset of the community :(

[my porsche]

no no no no no no no, im not saying it was a reason to blow up somebodies head, im saying that before i knew they were plain clothes (sitll not sure of it, every single thing ive heard said police officers) that when someone runs from the police, USUALLY they have done something wrong

now can we please leave texas out of this? whats that got to do with anything, anyone whos been to normal texas (i.e. not far east on the border of loseranna) will know that its just like the rest of the country, except bigger, calling texas hickland is like me calling scotland sheep-shaggerland

[Matra et Alpine]

no no no no no no no, im not saying it was a reason to blow up somebodies head, im saying that before i knew they were plain clothes (sitll not sure of it, every single thing ive heard said police officers) that when someone runs from the police, USUALLY they have done something wrong
It was clearly written in many posts and reposts linked that they were plain clothes :(
now can we please leave texas out of this? whats that got to do with anything, anyone whos been to normal texas (i.e. not far east on the border of loseranna) will know that its just like the rest of the country, except bigger, calling texas hickland is like me calling scotland sheep-shaggerland
As I said - I didn't say all of the USA and neither did I say all of Texas :D
And I'm certain there are parts of Scotland where that IS the best date the guys are gonna find :) Just as in Texas ........

[my porsche]

Feb 2005, HOUSTON -- A 16-year-old boy
breaking news: that happens everywhere, not just texas

[Matra et Alpine]

breaking news: that happens everywhere, not just texas
funny, OK everyoen in UCP hands up if a 16 year old has shot their parents for having sex in your town, state/county or country ?

OK, all the Brits can put their hands down now !!!!

By "everywhere" did you mean all of the US ? Bad if you did, bad if you didnt' really :)

[my porsche]

It was clearly written in many posts and reposts linked that they were plain clothes :(

As I said - I didn't say all of the USA and neither did I say all of Texas :D
And I'm certain there are parts of Scotland where that IS the best date the guys are gonna find :) Just as in Texas ........
you clearly have texas and the rest of the south confused, texas is a good place to be, a little hot yeah and humid most definately, but this isnt where all the hicks and inbreeding are, you want arkansas, a few states to the east of here, you can make fun of them all you want, and thats where bill "legacy" clinton is from :D

[Matra et Alpine]

you clearly have texas and the rest of the south confused, texas is a good place to be, a little hot yeah and humid most definately, but this isnt where all the hicks and inbreeding are, you want arkansas, a few states to the east of here, you can make fun of them all you want, and thats where bill "legacy" clinton is from :D

Before going on, you maybe want to go back and READ -- http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=349585&postcount=70

Never DID say Texas, did I ?? Only one press release I posted did name Texas and it was jsut because you were still missing the point about "innocent until proven guilty" :(

[Jack_Bauer]

On the news just now: Yasin Hassan Omar, one of the 4 suspected bombers from last Thursday, has been arrested in Birmingham and is in custody in a high security unit in London awaiting questioning. It was a call from a member of the public that tipped off the police. The other three are still at large.

[henk4]

On the news just now: Yasin Hassan Omar, one of the 4 suspected bombers from last Thursday, has been arrested in Birmingham and is in custody in a high security unit in London awaiting questioning. It was a call from a member of the public that tipped off the police. The other three are still at large.

and to arrest him the police used a stunning device. It makes you wonder....

[my porsche]

not in that particular post, not but you did in several others, hold on


Hey, to a Texan, anything can be ....
[a reason to blow someones head off]

etc, i had to go do something and i got distracted

[my porsche]

and whats all this stuff about stun guns, i trust the polices judgement, if they feel they need to use one then i be they did

[henk4]

and whats all this stuff about stun guns, i trust the polices judgement, if they feel they need to use one then i be they did
if they had used a stun gun on the Brazilian guy he would still be alive

[spi-ti-tout]

I am unsurprised, and very dismayed, that the family announced that they intend to sue the authorities responsible.

Oh dear, our beloved son is dead, how can we make some money out of this?

Nice.
Oh c'mon Coventry !!

Didn't expect this from you....

HOW can you stand up and say that the family don't have the right to regain the justice denied to their son ?
Anybody does!!
Like Niko and Matra said stupid lawsuits ARE understandable as they carry no sense (even in the legal views to come extent) to which they can refer to - as in no background (again example of the recent one against Rockstar Inc)
In this one INJUSTICE WAS done - Peter himself mentioned that in British courts "innocent until proven guilty" is a must-have, and I'm pretty sure you know it as well. WHERE was this carried out out there in the Subway ?? Why, the authorities f****d up!! (something again as mentioned the British authorities are not willing to accept fully :()
Just imagine you going to Canada for holiday and wearing a slightly heavier coat than the national residents would wear because you're not used to that amount of cold.......no evidence of a crime!!
Possibly the ONLY thing the family can do now to keep it in rememberance and public eye and get any justice at all is do this, so why are you bothered?
We wouldn't like it if it happened to our family and I don't think there's any reason to be "happy" (not saying that you are) when the stupidity and brutality happens to other people :(

Sorry man - ANY respect that I once had of the British Security (and I had quite a bit of a lot too) has just vanished into thin air. What happened there made me think and it reflects (represents if not reflects) the training and character of the British Police as a whole :(

[R34GTR]

I think the family don't stand a chance considering there's and was a "shoot to kill to protect" policy and they'll say that's what they enforced considering the guys behaviour that won't be too hard to believe, But I do believe the family deserve some kind of compensation for this tragic loss

[Matra et Alpine]

Sorry man - ANY respect that I once had of the British Security (and I had quite a bit of a lot too) has just vanished into thin air. What happened there made me think and it reflects (represents if not reflects) the training and character of the British Police as a whole :(
I personaly do not believe these were police from some of the info so far released. We'll knwo more once the full inquest report is done.

BUT they followed him from a block being watched. I suspect that becaues of the high awareness and risk that these would ahve been SAS and SIS. I know some ex-SAS guys, there first training is in REMOVING problems and oeprate with less 'restrictions'; on their training than the police. I still have confidence in the police :)

[spi-ti-tout]

I personaly do not believe these were police from some of the info so far released. We'll knwo more once the full inquest report is done.

BUT they followed him from a block being watched. I suspect that becaues of the high awareness and risk that these would ahve been SAS and SIS. I know some ex-SAS guys, there first training is in REMOVING problems and oeprate with less 'restrictions'; on their training than the police. I still have confidence in the police :)
What's SAS and SIS?
I understand they're some kind of higher-level security force but the names are new to me :o
Are they operational only in Britian?

BUT, EVEN THEN it doesn't justify what they did!!
They could have used stunners.....as talked-about down

[Matra et Alpine]

What's SAS and SIS?
I understand they're some kind of higher-level security force but the names are new to me :o
Are they operational only in Britian?
Special Air Service - the guys who go in ahead of the US Delta Force :) ( JOKE!!! ). These are pure armed forces trained. They cover ALL aspects of "dangerous" security. They operate all round the world.

Secret Intelligence Services - james Bond stuff :) DEFINATELY operate round the world and run the UK end of Echelon.

BUT, EVEN THEN it doesn't justify what they did!!
They could have used stunners.....as talked-about down
Definately NOT. Agreed. But as I was trygin to communicate, these guys dont' usually get asked to get involved unless they are allowed to be "serious" about it. With a motto like "who dares wins" there isn't really a lot of space left for beign gentle and careful and considerate !!!!

[my porsche]

I personaly do not believe these were police from some of the info so far released. We'll knwo more once the full inquest report is done.

BUT they followed him from a block being watched. I suspect that becaues of the high awareness and risk that these would ahve been SAS and SIS. I know some ex-SAS guys, there first training is in REMOVING problems and oeprate with less 'restrictions'; on their training than the police. I still have confidence in the police :)
uh oh, conspiracy theory time :D

[crisis]

Special Air Service - the guys who go in ahead of the US Delta Force :) ( JOKE!!! ).
After the Aussie SAS has been there a month scoping it out. :) (JOKE!!!!!!!)

[Matra et Alpine]

After the Aussie SAS has been there a month scoping it out. :) (JOKE!!!!!!!)
oh so true !!

SOMEONE needs to isntall the barbe and make sure it's working :D

yeah, the only group mate had respect for was the Aussie SAS.

[Coventrysucks]

I would want the bastards who shot my son 7 times in the head -for no reason- to decompose in prison,

The officers involved in the shooting will be subjected to a full criminal investigation.

Presumably the family will be suing in British courts - so if the criminal investigation doesn't "go their way" why would an action to sue come to a different result?

This is just to get some money out of someone.

[Matra et Alpine]

The officers involved in the shooting will be subjected to a full criminal investigation.

Presumably the family will be suing in British courts - so if the criminal investigation doesn't "go their way" why would an action to sue come to a different result?

This is just to get some money out of someone.
I tihnk CS, you're forgetting the family aren't british and sont' know the british courts.
Given their orignal Brazilian residency I'd not trust a court for justice either.
( another MetA story - I was acutally mugged in Rio whilst on business. Fortunately I'd been advised and had planned for it. AND NO I didnt' bother getting the police as they dont' do anything anyway !! )

Remember that not everyeon knows the level of inquest a British officer faces and that they could be charged with criminal manslaughter. So it may jsut be that simple.

OR they need personal closure and the only way they can see that is with a lawsuit where blame will be clearly repeated adn punished from the families point of view. That's why lawsuits exist - sadly abused by those who use them to cover up their own stupidity :(

[Coventrysucks]

Remember that not everyeon knows the level of inquest a British officer faces and that they could be charged with criminal manslaughter. So it may jsut be that simple.

Presumably someone from the foreign office will have been in touch with the family to explain the situation and give condolences from the government?

[Matra et Alpine]

Presumably someone from the foreign office will have been in touch with the family to explain the situation and give condolences from the government?
Sadly - from the family perspective - it seems that the diplomats were making contacts before the FO contacted the family :(

If you lose someone close then "condolences" aren't always the best thing to here :(

[Jack_Bauer]

All four of the bomb suspects from last Thursday are now in custody according to reports. Two were arrested during raids in London and one has been arrested by Italian police in Rome. The fourth was arrested a couple of days ago in Birmingham.