New VE Pictures. Is it a Commodore or a Falcon???

[Blitz_]

yay, 500th post in this thread, i feel special.

looks better up close, though I still don't like the high arse, reminds me of the 380. Btw, that has to be a vent on the side, look at how the black wrap sinks into the vent space.

[SlickHolden]

Got some more up close off the FF from somewhere else not sure?. that close and only 2 pics? There might be more but i have only seen 2.

[Blue Supra]

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[SlickHolden]

oooooooooo:p you like it?

[fpv_gtho]

Hey slick you might have to put those pics as attachments before one of the other mods does it for you

[Kiwifan]

Those pics were on LS1.com. BTW going way in reference to the title of this thread, I dont see no Falcon anywhere :D

[Blitz_]

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[Blitz_]

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[fpv_gtho]

Its a pity you cant make out more than Yokohama on those tyres...

[SlickHolden]

The last pic looks like the new SSV? i think they will call it. Whats with it's chrome Chev style grill?.
Yokohama tyres.

There 1 pic i like the one behind the van going up the street looks real mean front on i like that look. Covers come off it might not look that mean:p.
Hatzi has been busy. Great pics Blitz;).

[adrenaline]

Nice pictures!!! Its got a nice arse on it..:D

[nota]

Thanks for sharing all the pics :)

Gee that's a high bootline - with resultant high sight-line. That aspect is bound to deliver negative publicity, unless Holden fit rear-view cameras to every model, which I guess is doubtful

It presents itself as an undeniably big car. With that perception, do you think it is now too big for its market epicentre?

I reckon the need has never been greater for Holden to hedge their bets with a Torana-size vehicle

[Kiwifan]

Thanks for sharing all the pics :)
Gee that's a high bootline - with resultant high sight-line. That aspect is bound to deliver negative publicity, unless Holden fit rear-view cameras to every model, which I guess is doubtful
It presents itself as an undeniably big car. With that perception, do you think it is now too big for its market epicentre?
I reckon the need has never been greater for Holden to hedge their bets with a Torana-size vehicle

Those pics certainly show its a going to be a tough looking car with nice lines. Notice the perfect panel fit. Big doesnt matter imo, but yes the Torana would be nice. Plenty of punters are still buying bigger cars because they realise the alloytec engine is close if not equal to the big 4 cyl economy anyway. Furthermore, there is and always will be a big car market - if not more fleet orientated but also to the enthusiast and/or family

[nota]

Perception often over-rules reality. Couple VE's size-weight increase with the ever-increasing fuel costs that are likely to remain right at the forefront of buyer's minds, and I think that Holden is looking increasingly vulnerable without Torana

[Kiwifan]

Perception often over-rules reality. Couple VE's size-weight increase with the ever-increasing fuel costs that are likely to remain right at the forefront of buyer's minds, and I think that Holden is looking increasingly vulnerable without Torana
Whilst I liked the Torana concept also, I think Holden have not introduced it for a number of reasons only known to them but if you stop and think about it how many new Skylines sell down under? Its about the about same size, high powered car?
The weight increase with VE will not be an issue with anyone other than a few critics and anti holden types imo as it will not suffer any disadvantage and the benefits will far out way any disadvantage (if any) from what has been publicised so far - more power/efficiency, better transmissions, more safety features, bigger brakes...
"Go Auto's" latest pic has the front headlights looking very falconish but then no-one has got them right yet (although the Falcon is a smart looking car)

Personally, I think the other "big car" makers need to be afraid right now...

[SlickHolden]

It is defiantly starting to show it's larger size now it's a big bugger, Maybe it's more to the same size as the Falcon now?.
But i think we can looks at economy and performance slightly by looking into what the Statesman or caprice did with the 190 engine and 5 speed.
I think the only reason the VE will get 200kw or more is to keep people of the accelerator More and save fuel, Plus it would have to be a more refined engine. If it's got more go you dont need to plant it as hard to move, Something i now very well. In the old VB to move and stick with traffic it was 50-70% throttle to jump up and go, With the VP it's barely 20% throttle and i can stick just behind and pull away @ 60.
I'll look around and see if i can find some figures on the V6 LWB models. With it's bigger size over a base SWB model it's got to be about the same almost.

And one thing no-one has mentioned sound or anything after being this close to these cars? In the pic where the 3 cars are turning a corner going up the street the far rear one that is hiding a touch thats white to me first fast look looked like a F6:eek: Even with intercooler.


The caprice weight is 1700kg in V6. The V6 is also fairly economical with fuel, averaging around 12L/100km around Melbourne Officially it's 11.8L/100km . With a 75-litre capacity, the Statesman could almost make the Melbourne-Sydney trip on the one tank. That was carsgudie 7 day test of the LWB cars.
I don't think the base model VE will top 1700kg it will be close and with some extra power it might move alright. They mentioned Although no rocketship the broad spread of torque assists in smoothly hustling the 1700kg Holden flagship around town.
Really holden just need to get it right and they might get the same if not slightly worse or even better fuel economy. They can do it right or stuff it up, And if they do it right people wont be scared of by it's bigger size.
So i think it's very important for them to get the engine right. I think back when the fuel issues started to get out of hand they were looking into doing something on the economy of the V6?.

[monaroCountry]

The High Feature V6 in Holdens are still very underdeveloped. So in the coming years you would definately see plenty more power and effeciency from the V6.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/4CF81CAE95802EF6CA25717800052B58

[SlickHolden]

You would hope so but that's a pretty normal thing with holden.
The First Buick V6 was harsh but very responsive just not all that easy on the neck on take offs a little ruff down low in the revs, VNII Got better VP about the same VR slight improvements, VS big upgrade all along dropping 1 -4 litres off 100km as they went on getting heavier and more powerful.

Haven't they learnt to stop using that concept car for there images:p
From pics we have seen the sides and flaures are all wrong with that.

Thats a interesting read there. What was the power about 220kw with 360Nm?. Not bad if it really can run better on fuel like they say:D
A Holden V6 VVT sounds a little funny but might be good.
It all sounds pretty impressive to read and it will be much needed if fuel stays high about time GM done something like this good on them about time.

[adrenaline]

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~carby67/DSCF2171.JPG

OMFG!!

I just noticed...LHD!

OOOOoOOoOoooooooOOOOOOOOOOO.....

[fpv_gtho]

Anybody seen the interior pics someone snapped?

[adrenaline]

Interior shots??? Where are they!!!!:D:D

[adrenaline]

Finally, the interior surfaces:

http://www.pearly351.com/images/temp/ve1.jpg

http://www.pearly351.com/images/temp/ve2.jpg

http://www.pearly351.com/images/temp/ve3.jpg

http://www.pearly351.com/images/temp/ve4.jpg

[adrenaline]

GOTCHA!!!

Now Im gonna be the first (and i dont think the last) to say that I am disappointed!

WTF is that? The steering wheel is nice but the rest just looks cheap and nasty...especially around the shifter!!!! IMO

EDIT: BTW What the HELL is it doing by itself in an underground car park???? What spastics they are!! Leaving their billion dollar baby with an undisguised interior in a random car park unattended....hmm if i were in the position of the photographer i would have the urge to "relocate" the car bras...:D:D

[Falcon500]

Wow that interiors same thing done diffrently....how origonal at least it isnt going backwards i guess.

And just as i thought thanks to adrenalins sharp eyes im assuming the car is an ex yank test mule.....and without fail every preious road going car has always had work done or at least some kind of yank input (they run the show so its to be expected) other then the hurracane there has been no exception and i doubt there ever will be.

[2ndclasscitizen]

interesting, i reckon it looks alright, though what's with the shifter itself? They've got this sorta modern thing going on, with the silver a bit of a Volvo rip, with the dash with that strip going across is a bit BMW, but the shifter looks like it came from a Camira?

[Jaime]

were can you see pics?

[Blitz_]

were can you see pics?





About the interior pictures: its a mixed opinion. it's obviously trying to keep some cue's from the VZ, but take it to hte next level and add in influences from Audie, BMW, Volvo, and yes even the Falcon lol. Its allrite, though i think there is only so much silver tackyness I can handle. Personally, I think the materials chosen themself will be nothing to write home about, so it could be a yes or no when I see it in the flesh. Speaker that high and exposed like that is a no no, damn ugly.

btw, wat da fook is with the handbreak! lol...that just looks uber weird :S

[fpv_gtho]

Personally i dont think its got any flow to it, its broken up too much either by the woodgrain or the different colour trims.

[Blitz_]

Well its a case of copying too much, and in the end having too many influences jumbled up in a package that is very much mix n match.

[2ndclasscitizen]

They might just be experimenting with different trim combinations to work out what 1) looks best and 2) trim levels i.e berlina, calais etc.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The wheel looks insane - theres nowhere to put your hands without pressing a button!

It's actually IMHO looking quick up-to-date and sweet looking. Room shouldn't be an issue.

[fpv_gtho]

They might just be experimenting with different trim combinations to work out what 1) looks best and 2) trim levels i.e berlina, calais etc.

You would think its too late to still be doing that though

[SlickHolden]

I think they are really going for as big a difference in colours as they can, So you don't step into a VYII Calais and then into a VZ SSZ and think WTF the interior looks a little like myn with leather:eek:.

But if that car is a acclaim:eek: What the hell will the Calais have in buttons then:D

Got these of the FF.Com from LS1.com

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[2ndclasscitizen]

You would think its too late to still be doing that though
I dunno, some car compaines test pretty much right up until launch, and then again until production begins, just fine tuning everything. Also might be an older mule

[fpv_gtho]

They could have 2 programs running i spose, either ready to go to production at any notice. The mule's is a good point as well i suppose, Holden would probably want to keep the number of test cars to a minimum, and reuse older ones as much as possible

[SlickHolden]

They look pretty much ready to go now whats left iron out the bumps thats it?.

[fpv_gtho]

Possibly anything related to durability, fit and finish...really just all the things you cant find inside closed doors. They may be finding out the cars are overheating with the new design for some reason, and this gives them the chance to fix it before they have to embarrassly make a recall once its on sale. Just general stuff like that i suppose

[SlickHolden]

If they need test drivers that don't need to stop all day like these ones they could call me, I'll S and P and Eat in the car 15 hours straight:p I'll thrash it to:D

[Blitz_]

They stopped at a juice bar? zomg!

[2ndclasscitizen]

By this point they'll just be cramming in as many k's as they can, this car is gonna need to be near perfect at launch to get people in new commy's and not $15k ones down the local fleet sale

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I saw those - I'd consider buying one of those if the resale when I sold it on wouldn't kill me.

It's looking good, but, with interior trimmings, they would not be testing them now - that sort of stuff would have been sorted out WAAAAY back when. to do it now is stupid because they need to tool up the dashboard for it, and thats not a cheap, or quick, change to make.

Still, they've done a good job IMHO of making it look smaller in those photos. but does anyone else see, in the Red one with the Spoiler, a slight similarity to the Prius?

[SlickHolden]

By this point they'll just be cramming in as many k's as they can, this car is gonna need to be near perfect at launch to get people in new commy's and not $15k ones down the local fleet sale
I seen a 60,000km VZ Commodore Executive $16,000, I thought thats cheap was a nice looking colour to. Ever since i looked at a VZ a couple of weeks back different i have taken a liking to the front :D Bit late some would say it's been on the roads for some time now but i haven't really paid to much attention to the base models before.

[SlickHolden]

It's come to my attension from others that the interior shot of the VE has more in common with the Torana then we have first thought, We have been looking on the outside more and not so much the inside.
Here is what i mean.
You can see the numbers marked, The handbrake is also there, A couple that arn't numberd there are the speakers in the door. And door handle.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194414&stc=1&d=1148932736

[Blitz_]

Any possibility the SS models will actually have black rims? Wouldn't mind the idea of that, seeing as the 'phoon run around now with black rims. It looks better than most people first though, but im still at odds with the rear end, too high for me personally, reminds me of the 380 too much. Quad exhuasts are a great idea, but the presentation is not so good, cheap and the housing doesn't have much appeal with today's more flowing body styling.

Hmm and two new members with 0 posts surfing at the same time, same thread, one named VS calais, haha sorry guys, polls closed ;) ;)

edit: just noticed, there are exactly 666 threads in the aussie forums, hahaha o0o0o scary ey?

[SlickHolden]

Fast quick someone make a new thread fast!:p.

The rear also is very Torana also. The torana as more and more we see of the VE has a bigger influence then first thought in the VE.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194459&d=1148969259

[fpv_gtho]

VE's still a touch wider though, with more pronounced front arches

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The boot line is slightly narrower - probably a syptom of being a Sedan instead of a hatch.

But the similarities are there - and they did say the vehicles would appear very related.

ATM (I think the Pink and White colour scheme doesn't do the Torana any favours) it's looking VERY promising for a well proportioned (At least with big wheels) Ve-hickle.

[SlickHolden]

The torana bonnet and side guards are more Mazda 3 SP the sporty one, But with the VE it's a bigger car and i guess they can't do the same with the bonnet and side guards so they went another way.
But it's differently a starting point with them the TT36.

Shock that the steering is the same i didn't even think to look in the torana for interior similarities.

I like the wide look of the front and back, But it might look funny on base models that will be something to see when done just how much that aggressive front make the car look with stocks on it and sitting tree high not sporty height.

Maybe the rear comparison i should have used the one without the spoiler:p

[adrenaline]

Dammit!! There are so many elements of the interiors (VE and Torana) that are identical!!! I would never have guessed it would be that similiar! The steering wheels are exactly the same...!! As well asd the buttons below the sceen and where the handbrake is. Wow. Nice comparos slick:D

I wonder if we will see the Twin Turbo 3.6 Alloytech?? Seems possible, as the XR6 Turbo owns the large local turbo maket ATM...

[fpv_gtho]

Anyone notice how easily the base model appears to hang over the gutter there, yet how close the SS gets?

Also theres still a noticeable gap in panels for the roof.

I dont know if its been said either, but the VZ mirrors will be carrying over onto the VE as well, although you may not necessarily notice from first glance

[SlickHolden]

Anyone notice how easily the base model appears to hang over the gutter there, yet how close the SS gets?

Also theres still a noticeable gap in panels for the roof.

I dont know if its been said either, but the VZ mirrors will be carrying over onto the VE as well, although you may not necessarily notice from first glance
I was hoping for indicators on the mirrors like the Torana.
Funny thing 2 days ago a new Vectra drove straight into the gutter and slammed the front end, He reversed so slowly and the sound wasn't to good ouch that hurt:p

Dammit!! There are so many elements of the interiors (VE and Torana) that are identical!!! I would never have guessed it would be that similiar! The steering wheels are exactly the same...!! As well asd the buttons below the sceen and where the handbrake is. Wow. Nice comparos slick:D

I wonder if we will see the Twin Turbo 3.6 Alloytech?? Seems possible, as the XR6 Turbo owns the large local turbo maket ATM...
I had to be shown myself i had no idea:D.
I liked the handbrake myself when i seen it first, But that torana pick shows when down it's perfect when up not so perfect:D.

I would love to see a single turbo V6 to go with the XR6T, Competition is whats it's all about and if holden build the turbo the 2 will just get better and better for it and we will benefit from it. Like FPV did to HSV.

[fpv_gtho]

Single turbo V6's would have their limits as a performance engine though, the extra plumbing wouldnt do wonders for lag and response

[SlickHolden]

HSV could have the TT. What is lag again? I ask this once before I'm not sure what it really is i once drove my brothers VL Turbo in 97 but it was a auto does it only happen in manuals?.

[fpv_gtho]

It happens more in manuals as they get off the throttle more than auto's. Its basically the delay in response between when you plant the throttle and the engine has to rev up and the turbo has to spool up

[SlickHolden]

Is that like when JC drove a EVO Turbo and had it in top gear @ about 20kp/h and the car next to it beat it doing the same thing 500 meters or something they drove And it wasn't until the end it started to pick up?.

[fpv_gtho]

Thats pretty much it...

[SlickHolden]

When driving my brothers VL Turbo it hit power from nowhere real hard like a shot of power, My mum drove a VC Commodore With single turbo i didn't get to:(
So if you know how to drive a turbo with manual you will no what speeds revs to be in, So it's just easy to go Auto:D Or lazy:p

[charged]

Turbo lag is dependent on many factors, the biggest factor would be compressor wheel size. The bigger the compressor wheel the longer it takes to spool up.

[SlickHolden]

Whats that?

[Cyco]

Ricers also suffer badly in the lag stakes from excessive intercoolere size - small turbo + huge intercooler = long time to compress all the air in it.

[mmm_aapls]

Intercoolers don't really add much to lag. The piping used to get to the intercooler is a larger factor.

And why would you have a small turbo with a lartge intercooler, pointless don't you think?

It's not hard to avoid lag in a manual. You just have to make sure when you launch, that the revs are high so the turbo is spooling, and make sure you change gears at high revs, so the engine doesn't drop out of boost.

The situation with the EVO in 5th gear. Imagine driving a Carolla in 5th gear, it is exactly the same. But then when the turbo finally gets on full boost (which would take ages for the engine to speed up), the capacity of the engine effectivly doubles.

[SlickHolden]

Turbo sounds like my old auto transmission before it died.
If going flat in D 1st to 2nd it would change @ 4200-4500rpm, So when it went into 2nd it would have lower revs and then needed to build it up slightly to get moving like it was flat, To avoid this i manual shifted it from 1st to 2nd and made my shift point 4900-5000rpm, This gave it a better leap into 2nd gear without the flatness.

[fpv_gtho]

Intercoolers don't really add much to lag. The piping used to get to the intercooler is a larger factor.

They do suck up some psi though, ive heard about 1-2psi difference before and after the 'cooler.

And why would you have a small turbo with a lartge intercooler, pointless don't you think?

Probably just for the look of having a massive intercooler

The situation with the EVO in 5th gear. Imagine driving a Carolla in 5th gear, it is exactly the same. But then when the turbo finally gets on full boost (which would take ages for the engine to speed up), the capacity of the engine effectivly doubles.

Turbo's make that worse though as all the crap you need to do to make a turbo engine reliable (such as lower compression, different cam profiles) make them less powerful when off boost compared to an NA engine.

[mmm_aapls]

You are right, psi does drop across the intercooler. It is dpendant on engine speed though, becasue the pressure will drop as more air flows through the intercooler.

I found this graph which shows pressure drop at 2 different max boost levels across the rev range.

http://www.teamblewracing.org/zoom.aspx?img=/images/news/icpressure.gif

Of course the goal is zero psi drop - but it is widely accepted that peak values under 0.5 psi are great, and even up to 1 psi is still considered acceptable. When the pressure drop gets above that, everyone agrees that there's a power gain out there for those willing to make improvements.

[charged]

Intercoolers make a huge difference, the cheap ebay ones are normally crap as the psi drop is so large, we always get our data after the intercooler, the main parameter we check for is overboost which is set at 30 psi via our engine management system. Turbos bearings make a huge difference also, non ball bearing take longer to spool. When we ran a non roller bearing turbo boost didnt happen till 3grand, now running the gt2540 we are getting 8psi @ 2000 grand under light load setting and over 10psi under high load.

[SlickHolden]

I know people that want intercoolers for show when they dont even have a turbo.

[mmm_aapls]

Intercoolers make a huge difference, the cheap ebay ones are normally crap as the psi drop is so large, we always get our data after the intercooler, the main parameter we check for is overboost which is set at 30 psi via our engine management system. Turbos bearings make a huge difference also, non ball bearing take longer to spool. When we ran a non roller bearing turbo boost didnt happen till 3grand, now running the gt2540 we are getting 8psi @ 2000 grand under light load setting and over 10psi under high load.

What do you mean "get our data from after the intercooler"? As in get your boost pressure from the manifold as per usual? You shouldn't have any rwaly boost spikes if you are running an after market engine management unit (assuiming it is tunned correctly).

I put a Turbo back exhaust on my stock subaru and it was boost spiking becasue the stock ECU is very unforgiving. My car is on full boost by 3000 rpm and holds fairly well up till 6500rpm.

[charged]

We run a Autronic sm2 engine management system, the turbo also runs a 36 mill restrictor 50 mm away from the turbine per cams 3j rules, the engine has spent 3o hours on the engine dyno and 20 at least on a chassis dyno, runs a external wastgate. We are squeezing ever KW out of it at the moment. The only time we usally get overboost is when a gear is missed and then found and WOT at lower rpm spikes the boost. Normally full boost happens at 5000prm @ 24psi and tapers off dramatically due to the restrictor:( . . The engine has been set up by Allan Engineering so not really sure what the engine maps are set at etc.

[fpv_gtho]

What do you mean "get our data from after the intercooler"? As in get your boost pressure from the manifold as per usual? You shouldn't have any rwaly boost spikes if you are running an after market engine management unit (assuiming it is tunned correctly).

I put a Turbo back exhaust on my stock subaru and it was boost spiking becasue the stock ECU is very unforgiving. My car is on full boost by 3000 rpm and holds fairly well up till 6500rpm.

My limited knowledge of turbo motors would suggest that the new exhaust didnt provide enough backpressure

[SlickHolden]

Is back pressure needed for all engines? I'm getting a Redback 2.5" system and thinking of leaving out the rear muffler.

[fpv_gtho]

I think so, normal engines do lose power also if you go too wide as theres no pressure to keep the exhaust velocity up, so it ends up choking on the fumes.

Usually people remove the middle muffler, or resonator...whichever one it is.

[SlickHolden]

The smaller one at the rear i think is called the resonator give it some extra volume:D But i was thinking could it hurt performance for a little extra mean louder sound?. Maybe take offs but going along might be good what do you think.

[adrenaline]

http://www.vecommodore.com.au/index.php?itemID=7

^^It's a sponsored link on google....interesting...the banner at the top is a bit stale;).....

[fpv_gtho]

Hmm...i suppose its only natural someone would come up with that. Theres nothing really new there of course, no speculation on their part, just alot of gathered info and pics, which is a bit unique actually. Usually most independant sites will throw their say in to differentiate themselves a bit.

[SlickHolden]

I can't belive someone made a website on the VE:D.
There a little bit behind us is that good:p.

[johnp68]

I was hoping for indicators on the mirrors like the Torana.
Funny thing 2 days ago a new Vectra drove straight into the gutter and slammed the front end, He reversed so slowly and the sound wasn't to good ouch that hurt:p


I had to be shown myself i had no idea:D.
I liked the handbrake myself when i seen it first, But that torana pick shows when down it's perfect when up not so perfect:D.

I would love to see a single turbo V6 to go with the XR6T, Competition is whats it's all about and if holden build the turbo the 2 will just get better and better for it and we will benefit from it. Like FPV did to HSV.


Just for your info. High spec models may still get repeaters in mirrors aka Mercs, Holden Rodeo and other cars. Also remember mirrors are also pretty easy to change and there is no evidence of the repeaters in the front quarter panels.

[adrenaline]

Just for your info. High spec models may still get repeaters in mirrors aka Mercs, Holden Rodeo and other cars. Also remember mirrors are also pretty easy to change and there is no evidence of the repeaters in the front quarter panels.

They are incorporated into the 'vents'....

[syko]

Just noticed that there are 4 ve threads that are active. FOUR. hope people hyperventilate over the E8 this much.

[adrenaline]

Just noticed that there are 4 ve threads that are active. FOUR. hope people hyperventilate over the E8 this much.

LOL I was just about to say that!! I was going to say: "Four out of the top 5 threads are on the VE!!" :D:D

EDIT: THREE of them are mine .... :D

[syko]

LOL I was just about to say that!! I was going to say: "Four out of the top 5 threads are on the VE!!" :D:D

EDIT: THREE of them are mine .... :D

a unatural obsession maybe, for a ford fan (or so i think)

or sign that we aussies talk way too much:p

[fpv_gtho]

Just noticed that there are 4 ve threads that are active. FOUR. hope people hyperventilate over the E8 this much.

I wouldnt be too surprised if we get the usual "Its only a Falcon"...."Oh...a Falcon..how boring" .... "Theres already a new thread on the new Falcon"....."Ford should go back to America, dont people know the only Aussie company is Holden" treatment

[2ndclasscitizen]

Well, 3 of them were created by Adrenaline, so it's all you Ford fan's' fault :D

[fpv_gtho]

Damn you Adrenaline, get back in that closet!

[Blitz_]

Well, call me having balls, but im brave enough to say that this Aussie forum has the most though envoking conversations about the VE as a whole, as well as a congregation of easy to access pictures. Good to know that a single car can cause so much coversation, go UCP!

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Damn you Adrenaline, get back in that closet!

"Mr. Cruise, Please come out of the closet..."


Best South Park Ever.:D

[adrenaline]

Well, 3 of them were created by Adrenaline, so it's all you Ford fan's' fault

I might secretly be a Holden fan :D

[syko]

I might secretly be a Holden fan :D

No one ever gets out

Ever

You are what you are

[adrenaline]

No one ever gets out

Ever

You are what you are

You have a faulty sarcasm detector ;)

[monaroCountry]

or sign that we aussies talk way too much

Only when we are drunk :):):).

[adrenaline]

I wasnt drunk when I started all those threads....or was I? :D

[2ndclasscitizen]

"Mr. Cruise, Please come out of the closet..."


Best South Park Ever.:D
Damn straight.

"Daaad, Tom Cruise won't come out the closet!"

..though R Kelly singing "And then I take out my gun" is still awesome

[johnp68]

They are incorporated into the 'vents'....


Still a purely cosmetic change required. The vents can stay and maybe lower spec models may have them there but have you seen a calais or calais v on the road yet. Holden may do as Honda has done with lower spec and upper specs. Also note only LT rodeo has repeaters in the chrome mirrors. Lower specs retain them in guard. All will be revealed 10.50am EST in Melbourne. Some fleet companies have already seen and driven prior to today including upper spec Calais and Caprice which have not been covered at all as yet. Think about it, there are people outside Holden who know what to expect.

[adrenaline]

Ofcourse others have seen it. It was only recently that the fleet owners DROVE the VE, a couple of months ago they saw it for the first time. The overwhelming questions are on fuel economy and resale value. Neither have been answered by Holden. Also, regarding the repeaters, I have seen Calais spy shots with the vents all covered up and there doesn't appear to be anything on the mirrors. The subject of mirror repeaters has been discussed here before and was ruled out.

[johnp68]

Ofcourse others have seen it. It was only recently that the fleet owners DROVE the VE, a couple of months ago they saw it for the first time. The overwhelming questions are on fuel economy and resale value. Neither have been answered by Holden. Also, regarding the repeaters, I have seen Calais spy shots with the vents all covered up and there doesn't appear to be anything on the mirrors. The subject of mirror repeaters has been discussed here before and was ruled out.

All will be revealed inside 12 hours and 10 minutes. Never rule out anything.

[SlickHolden]

Damn you Adrenaline, get back in that closet!
Yeah back in the closet get your Ford cape on:D
I wouldnt be too surprised if we get the usual "Its only a Falcon"...."Oh...a Falcon..how boring" .... "Theres already a new thread on the new Falcon"....."Ford should go back to America, dont people know the only Aussie company is Holden" treatment
Yeah all that and a Vegemite sandwich to:p
Hey stop talking about the new Falcon it's like 10 years away still:D
Just for your info. High spec models may still get repeaters in mirrors aka Mercs, Holden Rodeo and other cars. Also remember mirrors are also pretty easy to change and there is no evidence of the repeaters in the front quarter panels.
They might sneak them in ?.
Only when we are drunk :):):).
Whats my excuse I'm on diet coke:D Look at my post count:D if i was drunk i would be up with FPV-GTHO:D

[2ndclasscitizen]

Ofcourse others have seen it. It was only recently that the fleet owners DROVE the VE, a couple of months ago they saw it for the first time. The overwhelming questions are on fuel economy and resale value. Neither have been answered by Holden. Also, regarding the repeaters, I have seen Calais spy shots with the vents all covered up and there doesn't appear to be anything on the mirrors. The subject of mirror repeaters has been discussed here before and was ruled out.
Do you what Holden's response to the resale value question was? They gave out crystal balls.

[SlickHolden]

Do you what Holden's response to the resale value question was? They gave out crystal balls.
I would love to brake Mooney's Crystal balls:D

[caz_375]

A pic of the vent indicators which was posted on another forum.....

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/caz070870/VE.jpg