"What's this car?" Official Thread

[Ecnelis]

Oh... Ehehe... My mistake. Sorry for confusion. ;)

[ulimator]

hello my name is Jim Adamopoulos founder and owner of zandonella .For your info the car was designed by myself and a car designer in the USA we are currently finalizing the prototype

Is it true that the car was designed by Wyatt Turner?
What is the official website of the car?

Where I can find any more information?

Isn't Zandonella Australian-built?

[ekladams]

yes it is true the car will be built in Melbourne Australia we are just waiting on further approval from the government . I will keep you all posted on the development of the car

[ulimator]

yes it is true the car will be built in Melbourne Australia we are just waiting on further approval from the government . I will keep you all posted on the development of the car

Thank You very much! I think the best way for telling the news is to make a separate thread in Australin car section :-)

[Man of Steel]

Who can identify this car? I got it labelled as a Stutz but not sure if correct. I am also interested in the model name and year.

[Wouter Melissen]

Who can identify this car? I got it labelled as a Stutz but not sure if correct. I am also interested in the model name and year.

It is definitely a Stutz, but with the custom coachwork it is hard to say which model and year exactly.

[faksta]

1931 Stutz DV-32 LeBaron Sedan - some site with car pictures tells this.

�ндрей : Картинки / Stutz / 1931 Stutz DV-32 LeBaron Sedan.jpg (http://allofamericancars.mylivepage.ru/image/292/2969)

[LeonOfTheDead]

1931 Stutz DV-32 LeBaron Sedan - some site with car pictures tells this.

�ндрей : Картинки / Stutz / 1931 Stutz DV-32 LeBaron Sedan.jpg (http://allofamericancars.mylivepage.ru/image/292/2969)

excellent job!:)

[henk4]

excellent job!:)
well the picture has to come from somewhere:)

[faksta]

excellent job!:)

'Stutz sedan' request in Google has helped :p

[Man of Steel]

1931 Stutz DV-32 LeBaron Sedan - some site with car pictures tells this.

�ндрей : Картинки / Stutz / 1931 Stutz DV-32 LeBaron Sedan.jpg (http://allofamericancars.mylivepage.ru/image/292/2969)

Thank you.

[fnqvmuch]

- an sm - but whose version and any more photos /details?

[f6fhellcat13]

1970 - 1975 Citroën SM - Images, Specifications and Information (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/669/Citroen-SM.html)

[Ferrer]

1970 - 1975 Citroën SM - Images, Specifications and Information (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/669/Citroen-SM.html)
He knows it's an SM, but wants to know the story behind this particular version.

I searched the internets for this SM "Break" but so far found nothing...

[f6fhellcat13]

He knows it's an SM, but wants to know the story behind this particular version.

I searched the internets for this SM "Break" but so far found nothing...

Oh, fnqvmuch my apologies.
I only breifly scanned your post.:o
I seached google for "citroen "sm shooting brake"" but came up with a the same pictures on a French Citroen forum.
They linked to this which has one extra pic
http://carcatalog2.free.fr/sw12z.htm

[fnqvmuch]

yeah had that too but thanks anyway - seems like no-one knows there or forumauto either ( - it wasn't me asking there) which will make the person who eventually answers look very well endowed.

[whiteballz]

what an interesting shooting break. (is that what they're called?)

I wonder what its story is.

[fnqvmuch]

had another look at the above mentioned forumauto, above others, and they seem to be saying it was just photoshop. i dont have the french or forensics
to be sure so i will just have go buy that $300 GS break on ebay and make one - you just talk amongst yourselves, ok?

[ulimator]

There are two unknown cars. The first is called Zara (or Kuzara I have seen) the second is "Patriot Concept". I know nothing more about these cars.. Maybe someone could provide me with any accurate information about them? Who made them, years, countries, maybe tech data or any links... Thank You! Can't wait to get any useful information abou these;-)

These pictures are taken from: Car Stock Photos and Animal Stock images - kimballstock (http://www.kimballstock.com)


Well! Anyone remembers this?

Looks nobody knows what these car really are..

After long research I founded short descriptions about these cars, I think they will be useful:

The first: This Chevy-powered mid-engined sports car was built in Sacramento, California by the Zara Motor Company. It had a space frame with fabricated suspension and 350" to 454" V-8s. The coupe body- work looked like a cross between an IMSA race car and a European exotic, with lots of vents and slats. In order to use a standard GM transmission bolted directly to the differential, a system of rubber belts and pulleys was rigged to bring the rear axles about two feet further forward than the centerline of the differential. The Zara was priced at $85,000 in 1991.


The second: Corbett Motor Cars started building kits in the late 1980s They were initially located in Archbald, Pennsylvania and built a Lamborghini Countach replica based on VW running gear It was sold in kit and turnkey forms, and was designed by company owner Adrian Corbel!. This kit was not a big success and Corbel! moved his business to Santa Barbara, California . in 1992 where he came up with a ultra- modem sports car called the PatrioL It was a mid-engined design and had the looks of an expensive supercar. It was based on the Pontiac Fiero and was to be sold in kit or turnkey form At a reported price of $85,000, it is not likely many turnkey cars were sold and the Patriot disappeared by the mid-1990s.

[Ecnelis]

What the... :confused: ;)

[Ecnelis]

2 things, especially this "Contach":

[faksta]

As for a 'Contach', just remove 'Lamborghini Countach' from its name and you'll get a proper one - Puma 248 :)
Thunderbird looks like a chop.

[Matra et Alpine]

There were many prototypes for the styling of the DS and SM during development at Citroen.
That definately looks like one of the survivors .... see DS 27 - SM prototypes (http://www.citroen.mb.ca/cItROeNeT/prototypes/sm/sm-proto-02.html) for more examples

http://www.citroen.mb.ca/cItROeNeT/passenger-cars/michelin/sm/images/smsport9.jpg

[Ivo Malz]

Or just another Chapron iteration... remember the DS based leDandy, President etc.

[Innotech]

As for a 'Contach', just remove 'Lamborghini Countach' from its name and you'll get a proper one - Puma 248 :)
Thunderbird looks like a chop.

the thunderbird isnt a chop but I forget the name of the tuner.

[HVAC25000]

Could just be a fake thing, but it's a good job if it is, only the wheels look odd to me

Anyone got any ideas?

Cheers
Chris

[Zorlox]

What the... :confused: ;)

I've seen that. It was on the website for the company that makes or designs the wheel. The wheel is called Osmos hubless wheel. I believe their website is http://www.osmoswheel.com/ but it seems to be down. Hope this helps!

[ulimator]

2 things, especially this "Contach":

For the second car just look here: Custom Thunderbird Accessories for Ford Thunderbirds - Powersport California Customs Body Kits (http://www.powersportcars.com) ;)

[Ivo Malz]

Hubless wheels named Osmos? Erm... Sbarro?

[Bleeding Heart]

can anyone tell me what this is???

[Ferrer]

It's an Isetta.

[LeonOfTheDead]

It's an Isetta.

yeah, I guess it's a ISO Isetta

[NSXType-R]

Why can't it be the BMW Isetta?

[LeonOfTheDead]

Why can't it be the BMW Isetta?

because of the presence of a sort of B-pillar, IIRC the BMW didn't have it.

[Timothy (in VA)]

Couldn't it be a Heinkel?

[Matra et Alpine]

Possibly, it does look like there is a rear seat there.
But the fronts don't look too obviously fold forward.
If we coudl confirm these then it coudl be a Heinkel or a Trojan.

[Kitdy]

What is this? (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/sema-2008-supercars/1144034/)

The gold one in foreground.

[f6fhellcat13]

Ford GT w/ bodykit I think.
If you click the Hires button it helps see the correct proportions

[f6fhellcat13]

I was completly wrong it is not a Ford GT at all, it's made from bits of old Corvette. (http://jalopnik.com/cars/sema/sema-2007-factory-five-racing-unveils-new-gtm-show-car-ahead-of-sema-315888.php)

[henk4]

Couldn't it be a Heinkel?

it is (or a license built Trojan).

[ulimator]

What is this? (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/sema-2008-supercars/1144034/)

The gold one in foreground.

It think it is an easy question :)

This car MUST be Factory Five GTM Supercar. The logotype is also the same I think.

Compare: SUPERCARS.NET - Comprehensive Specifications, Galleries & Forums since 1996 (http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=gal&uID=119513&gID=1025&pgID=12&pID=468581&first=true)

For more information You can look here: GTM Supercar (http://www.factoryfive.com/gtmhome.html)

UPDATE: SEMA 2008: Factory Five GTM looks slick in copper - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/09/sema-2008-factory-five-gtm-looks-slick-in-copper/)

[Ecnelis]

Thanks guys for help with my what-are-this-cars! :)

Could just be a fake thing, but it's a good job if it is, only the wheels look odd to me

Anyone got any ideas?
It's just a some vitrual concept by Mark Evans from HooRoo Graphics - you can buy this image at istockphoto.com (I bought other one some time ago for my page):

Royalty Free Stock Photo Image: Red Sports Car | iStockphoto.com (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/transportation/3451372-red-sports-car.php?id=3451372)

And much more:

Royalty free stock images | mevans's Portfolio - car | iStockphoto.com (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&text=car&oldtext=&textDisambiguation=&oldTextDisambiguation=&majorterms=%7B%22csv%22%3A%22%22%2C%22conjunction% 22%3A%22AND%22%7D&fileTypeSizePrice=%5B%7B%22type%22%3A%22Image%22%2 C%22size%22%3A%22All%22%2C%22priceOption%22%3A%221 %22%7D%2C%7B%22type%22%3A%22Illustration+%5BVector %5D%22%2C%22size%22%3A%22Vector+Image%22%2C%22pric eOption%22%3A%22All%22%7D%2C%7B%22type%22%3A%22Fla sh%22%2C%22size%22%3A%22Flash+Document%22%2C%22pri ceOption%22%3A%22All%22%7D%2C%7B%22type%22%3A%22Vi deo%22%2C%22size%22%3A%22All%22%2C%22priceOption%2 2%3A%221%22%7D%5D&showPeople=&printAvailable=&exclusiveArtists=&extendedLicense=&collectionPayAsYouGo=1&collectionSubscription=1&illustrationLimit=Exactly&flashLimit=Exactly&showDeactivatedFiles=0&membername=&userID=71254&lightboxID=&downloaderID=&approverID=&clearanceBin=0&color=&copySpace=%7B%22Tolerance%22%3A1%2C%22Matrix%22%3A %5B%5D%7D&orientation=7&minWidth=0&minHeight=0&showTitle=&showContributor=&showFileNumber=1&showDownload=1&enableLoupe=1&order=Best+Match&perPage=&within=1)

[fisetdavid26]

While tidying up my room today I came across the good old original Gran Turismo... I've owned this game for 10 years and never wondered what's the car on the cover... now I do :)

Any ideas?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Gran_Turismo_-_Cover_-_North_America.jpg

[f6fhellcat13]

Skyline?

[fisetdavid26]

Skyline?
Well knowing Gran Turismo that's a safe bet, but there's nothing to prove it is/it isn't...

[f6fhellcat13]

the back looks kinda r32-33 to me

[LeonOfTheDead]

or the Mitsu 3000GT/GTO

[Q TOY]

The bonet is far to short to be anything with a engine at the front. Its deffinatly a Supercar.

My money is on a Mclaren F1.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Do0dEdQ6ISs/RkneyQhrjiI/AAAAAAAAABE/tNqPWV4zRVA/s400/mcLaren+f1+2.jpg

[LeonOfTheDead]

The bonet is far to short to be anything with a engine at the front. Its deffinatly a Supercar.

My money is on a Mclaren F1.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Do0dEdQ6ISs/RkneyQhrjiI/AAAAAAAAABE/tNqPWV4zRVA/s400/mcLaren+f1+2.jpg

it wasn't featured on GT, but it would surprise me if they took a random pic from the web...

[Q TOY]

it wasn't featured on GT, but it would surprise me if they took a random pic from the web...

I didn't know that. I was just looking a the lines, particularly the roof and the bonnet. Very Mclaren F1.

Could be something similar though.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The front bar is too high off the ground to be a McLaren F1.

My money's on the 3000gt/GTO

[Q TOY]

http://www.classicsandcustoms.com/list/images/X_1996_Other_Mitsubishi_3000_GT_06272008010042_197 53.jpg

Nah, the 3000GT bonnet is to long and rear window far to steep.

[LeonOfTheDead]

http://www.classicsandcustoms.com/list/images/X_1996_Other_Mitsubishi_3000_GT_06272008010042_197 53.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Gran_Turismo_-_Cover_-_North_America.jpg

uhm, let me see...

[Suka]

Chevrolet Camaro Z28??

[Rockefella]

Camaro 30th Anniversary Edition.

[fisetdavid26]

So far I think it's a Camaro.

Thanks for the replies guys.

[Matra et Alpine]

The flat looking angled panel on the rear 3/4 makes me think it's a Lister Storm.

[Rockefella]

The flat looking angled panel on the rear 3/4 makes me think it's a Lister Storm.

Definitely a Camaro. I showed Fiset a link on MSN where someone photoshopped a pic of the Camaro 30th Anniversary over the GT cover and it matched up nigh-on perfectly. The release of the 30th Anniversary Camaro and GT game also match up to be the same year IIRC.

[Matra et Alpine]

ah, right, I don't know the Camaro well enough. I thought it's rear wings were smooth curves.
Versus the angles on the Lister.
http://www.supercars.net/carpics/1007/1993_Lister_Storm1.jpg

[Ecnelis]

Un mélange de supercars - 1 jour, 1 truc ! (http://www.1jour-1truc.com/?2008/08/14/un-melange-de-supercars)

More pics/info wanted. Thanks in advance. ;)

[Matra et Alpine]

Un mélange de supercars - 1 jour, 1 truc ! (http://www.1jour-1truc.com/?2008/08/14/un-melange-de-supercars)

More pics/info wanted. Thanks in advance. ;)
seems to be called the X'trem Predator.

one off .... thank GOD !!!!

[Matra et Alpine]

seems to be called the X'trem Predator.

MIGHT be related to the original Predator kit which looked a bit like a Lambo -- sadly it was based ont he Fiero :)
French site has no more details

[Sledgehammer]

That car is hidious.

[f6fhellcat13]

Why G35/37 taillights?
Oh yeah, and why so ugly?

[Timothy (in VA)]

Autoblog called it the "Predator Xtreme," so I'm not sure what the proper order of the name is. It appeared in the second episode of the new "Knight Rider" television series, but I know nothing else about it.

Monterey 2008: All aboard the red Enzo/F1/Lambo-like failboat - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/18/monterey-2008-all-aboard-the-red-enzo-f1-lambo-like-failboat/)
IMCDb.org: Predator Xtreme in "Knight Rider, 2008" (http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_194527-Predator-Xtreme.html)

[LeonOfTheDead]

Autoblog called it the "Predator Xtreme," so I'm not sure what the proper order of the name is. It appeared in the second episode of the new "Knight Rider" television series, but I know nothing else about it.

Monterey 2008: All aboard the red Enzo/F1/Lambo-like failboat - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/18/monterey-2008-all-aboard-the-red-enzo-f1-lambo-like-failboat/)
IMCDb.org: Predator Xtreme in "Knight Rider, 2008" (http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_194527-Predator-Xtreme.html)

in that episode they destroyed the car. THANKS FOR SHARING! :D

[Ivo Malz]

Enzoghini Reventon F40, no?

:D

[ulimator]

It seems there is no official website of this project superkitcar? :confused:

[Matra et Alpine]

^^^^^^^^^^^ proibably because it was commisioned for the movie ?
Building it off the original Predator kit woudl make sense and keep costs down :)
You'll find Predator with a bit of searching

[Ecnelis]

Thanks for solving another mystery!

Building it off the original Predator kit woudl make sense and keep costs down :)
You'll find Predator with a bit of searching

This one: DL10 Predator Kitcar, Replica and car show homepage (http://pages.prodigy.net/dbagwell1/)?

EDIT:

There are few street legal Porsches 962: Koenig Specials, DP Motorsport, Dauer, Schuppan, and so-called "Derek Bell Signature Line" (http://classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?lCarID=1765592).

But there are also these two. The "Boss 12" looks like it could be DP conversion (EDIT: and it is DP for sure), but what about the other one (http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/articles/articles_19.html)? Anyone knows who/when/why/how made this road legal 962?

[Knuto]

Anyone know what the model designation of this zonda is? The rear wheelarches seems lower and theres a new wing. Is it a one-off for some racing series?

[orshow]

Anyone know which car this ass belongs to?
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachments/multimedia/289754d1228657219-what-s-car-official-thread-random-car.jpg

[LeonOfTheDead]

Anyone know what the model designation of this zonda is? The rear wheelarches seems lower and theres a new wing. Is it a one-off for some racing series?

it should be a modified version of this:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/matt-s-hi-res-hide-out/22430-pagani-zonda-gr.html

which eventually have been modified by Rock Media Motors Team for the Fia GT 2006 season

http://static.blogo.it/motorsportblog/roockzonda600x400.jpg

[orshow]

Anyone know which car this ass belongs to?
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachments/multimedia/289754d1228657219-what-s-car-official-thread-random-car.jpg

Anyone?

[henk4]

is it not the Brabus Tesla?

[orshow]

is it not the Brabus Tesla?

Nope. I know it's British...

[Ivo Malz]

Melling Hellcat?

[Ferrer]

Melling Hellcat?
Seems you are right.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5229/hellcat70aw.jpg
EDIT I'd even say that it's the same pciture cropped.

[orshow]

Thanks for that :)

[roy4matra]

I saw this one ages ago at the Zandvoort track. I thought it was a Fairthorpe, but I am not sure....

No it's not a Fairthorpe. It's either a kit car called a Quantum or a GTM coupe...

Roy

[teatako]

EDIT I'd even say that it's the same pciture cropped.

it definitely is.

[Sledgehammer]

Some porsche I was behind. Ideas.

[Ferrer]

Porsche 928.

[Ecnelis]

Any ideas? Enzo/MC12 test mule or something?

[Rockefella]

Says A. Betolini which would lead me to believe it's a prototype or early build for Andrea Bertolini in FIA GT.

[Wouter Melissen]

Any ideas? Enzo/MC12 test mule or something?

It's the car from the spy shots that were floating on the internet in 2003 and 2004. It could be a development mule for the MC12, FXX or both.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Any ideas? Enzo/MC12 test mule or something?

that's interesting, I want to know more about that.

[faksta]

Any ideas? Enzo/MC12 test mule or something?

I think this is the same car. IIRC I've started a thread about it about a year ago, and the point we all agreed at was a testing mule for MC12.

EDIT:
After research I've found even two threads - the one I mentioned above (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/general-automotive/34341-ferrari-enzo-gt.html) and another one, older, with more pictures (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/multimedia/14560-enzo-gt.html)

[LeonOfTheDead]

first pics of the link plz http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/864426-post129.html

[juanelo242]

Anybody knows what version is? i mean, Turbo, GT, Carrera or whatever

[LeonOfTheDead]

Anybody knows what version is? i mean, Turbo, GT, Carrera or whatever

996 Turbo, or a 4S in the worst case, with some TechArt bits here and there.

[netburner]

Could anybody help me? I know I have seen this picture before, but I don't remember the name since days and it drives me crazy....

[faksta]

Could anybody help me? I know I have seen this picture before, but I don't remember the name since days and it drives me crazy....

1972 Pininfarina Alfetta Spider

[netburner]

1972 Pininfarina Alfetta Spider

Thank you very much :)

[xepoj]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3976/autova9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Any ideas?????

[LeonOfTheDead]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3976/autova9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Any ideas?????

what's that black square on the pic?

[netburner]

Mazda RX500

[Matra et Alpine]

what's that black square on the pic?

WHere it says RX500 :)

http://www.mcarsweb.com/mazda/rx500b.jpg

[faksta]

^ Someone is cheating somewhere :D

[Ferrer]

^ Someone is cheating somewhere :D
Well, the black square was suspicious to say the least... :p

[LeonOfTheDead]

I have some questions:
while browsing autogespot, I found this car (pics 1,2,3), called the Ronalt Lightning.
thing is it's very very similar to the electric Lightning GT unveiled last year in the production version.

pic 4, is a car called MPM Thinder, but it looks very similar to the K1 Attack

finally, pics 5 and 6, the Jim Turner GTO, aboslutely identical to the Factory Five GTO, but maybe since this is a kit car, it could have a different name perhaps because Factory Five sold the rights for Europe, as they did for an already assembled version for the States.

any info?

[Ecnelis]

1 - it's Ronart Lightning (ronart.co.uk still exists, but Lighting isn't there anymore). The Lighting GT is basicly the same car, but highly updated, and with electric powertrain.

[LeonOfTheDead]

1 - it's Ronart Lightning (ronart.co.uk still exists, but Lighting isn't there anymore). The Lighting GT is basicly the same car, but highly updated, and with electric powertrain.

so it's the same company behinf the evolution, or they sold the project to someone else who turned the car into an electric one?

[nota]

"1500" and Italian :confused:

(btw its styling bears a weird kinship imo to Nissan Silvia S10 Coupe (http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/151927/silvia3.jpg))

[Revo]

"1500" and Italian :confused:

(btw its styling bears a weird kinship imo to Nissan Silvia S10 Coupe (http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/151927/silvia3.jpg))
Ghia 1500 GT (http://www.ghia1500gt.com/)

[nota]

^^ thank you Revo :cool:

[ulimator]

so it's the same company behinf the evolution, or they sold the project to someone else who turned the car into an electric one?

In general the company is the same and the old website is still online most likely because they are finishing the last of the petrol engined version before changing over to the Electric power There are no further plans for petrol car while the Lightning (new company) is developing an electric version of much restyled Ronart Lightning now simply know as Lightning GT ;)

[ulimator]

I have some questions:
finally, pics 5 and 6, the Jim Turner GTO, aboslutely identical to the Factory Five GTO, but maybe since this is a kit car, it could have a different name perhaps because Factory Five sold the rights for Europe, as they did for an already assembled version for the States.
any info?

I have never heard of it, but You can try these links:

Startseite (http://www.jim-turner-sportcars.com)

Guten Tag from Germany (http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/community/supervolare/text.html)

Hope it helps ;)

[ulimator]

I have some questions:
pic 4, is a car called MPM Thinder, but it looks very similar to the K1 Attack

any info?

This car is German kitcar, highly resembling K1 Attack (but it is NOT K1 Attack, AFAIK).

Try this: MPM-SPORTCARS (http://www.mpm-sportcars.com)

[LeonOfTheDead]

In general the company is the same and the old website is still online most likely because they are There are no further plans for petrol car while the Lightning (new company) is developing an electric version of much restyled Ronart Lightning now simply know as Lightning GT ;)

I have never heard of it, but You can try these links:

Startseite (http://www.jim-turner-sportcars.com)

Guten Tag from Germany (http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/community/supervolare/text.html)

Hope it helps ;)

This car is German kitcar, highly resembling K1 Attack (but it is NOT K1 Attack, AFAIK).

Try this: MPM-SPORTCARS (http://www.mpm-sportcars.com)

thank you! :)

[xepoj]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2998/2z8reh2.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2z8reh2.jpg)


Abarth??? :confused:

[Ferrer]

It's a Marcos 3 Litre.

[xepoj]

thanks !!!!

[Sledgehammer]

this? In the center. Have a feeling its a Chaparral

*edit* assumptions were correct. #2

[cmcpokey]

this? In the center. Have a feeling its a Chaparral

*edit* assumptions were correct. #2

yep... 2F

[Motorace]

"1500" and Italian :confused:

(btw its styling bears a weird kinship imo to Nissan Silvia S10 Coupe (http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimages/151927/silvia3.jpg))

That is a "Ghia 1500" - built by Ghia on a FIAT 1500 chassis - circa 1962-1965.

[italianspirit]

Anyone know what this is?

[henk4]

Jaguar XK150 Roadster

[Ferrer]

Jag XK150 Roadster.

EDIT Damn it! :p

[xepoj]

305/309 2-door sedan :confused:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7276/wi7ajp.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wi7ajp.jpg)

[juanelo242]

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Moskvich Duet 2

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[juanelo242]

is this a roadmaster or a super 8?

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8378/buickroadmaster1947.jpg

[henk4]

Probably a 1948 Super Eight, all shots of Roadmasters I found (in a brief search) had the word "roadmaster" behind the front wheel just above the chrome strip.

[WyleECoyote]

Got these off Italiansupercar.net, can someone tell me what model Ferrari this is? I'm thinking it looks a bit like a 195 or 166 but i don't know.

Thanks, and much appreciated!

[B Bop]

It's a 1949 Inter by Touring

[B Bop]

Oops, my previous response should have read 1949 166 Inter "Superleggera" by Touring. Apparently, only three were ever made. They also had Cabo centre lock wheels and hubcaps. Obviously the car in your pics has had the wheels changed. Looks a lot better I think.

[henk4]

it is 005S, an 166 Inter.

[WyleECoyote]

Thanks for your help. Cheers.

[nota]

is this a roadmaster or a super 8?
Probably a 1948 Super Eight, all shots of Roadmasters I found (in a brief search) had the word "roadmaster" behind the front wheel just above the chrome strip.

It can be very hard to differentiate a 1947 Buick from the almost indentical '48.

For 1948 both the Roadmaster and Special wore that little model-script identifier which Henk refers to.
But in '47 neither model carried model ID in that location, so I think the pictured car is more likely to belong to 1947.

As for Roadmaster vs Super, the major external clue is Roadmaster's 5" wheelbase extension (to accomodate Buick's biggest 320cid engine) which was spliced between the cabin and front wheels. The wb difference is a bit hard to discern from this camera angle, but my best guess is that the Buick pictured by juanelo is the shorter Super, from 1947.

A minor telltale is that the 1946~47 Roadmasters wore smaller but wider 15" wheels, while Super and Special made do with previous 16" rims. However by 1948 the Super also got the 15" upgrade, leaving only Special with the 16" wheels.

Btw I had a Buick reference book handy, which made things a lot easier for me than 4 Henk4 ;)

[henk4]

Btw I had a Buick reference book handy, which made things a lot easier for me than 4 Henk4 ;)
Possibly, when I searched I first found some shots of the 1949 vintage, which is distinctly different, and when I saw 1948 cars I thought: that's it, not bothering to go back to 1947....at that time US cars changed every year...but apparently not in this case. I saw the wheelbase difference, but you cannot tell from the outside what is what....

[nota]

Possibly, when I searched I first found some shots of the 1949 vintage, which is distinctly different, and when I saw 1948 cars I thought: that's it, not bothering to go back to 1947....at that time US cars changed every year...but apparently not in this case.
Our bodystyle 'generation' under discussion debuted for the abbreviated 1942 run, then reappeared in '46. In 1946 the integrated 'moustache' atop the grille differed slightly to the later '47-48 versions, while in '42 the grille 'swallowed' the (absent) moustache entirely.

For mention the 1948 Buick was their least changed model (from the '47s) since the virtual 1934>35 rerun.

Btw I always loved the 'blatant dental work' of the 1950 Buick grille. Each and every one of of its nine 'teeth' was subtly different from each other, and none would interchange, which must have led to big headaches for dealers and a big inventory in their Parts Department! What a nightmare .. Holden's toothy 'baby Buick' the 1948~53 had the same problem but worse, a veritable mouthful of teeth (29!) :eek:
I saw the wheelbase difference,...
Lots of different wheelbases within this model-era!

Hard to explain comprehensively in less than a million words - but in essence there was Buick's 'short cabin' Special and Century (latter high-performance model dropped for '46 to '53) and 'long cabin' Super and Roadmaster. Within these two cabin sizes, there were additional wheelbase 'subsets' because the larger 320cid engine of Century & Roadmaster required a longer nose.

So this effectively meant two different wheelbases for the short cabin variants (to accomodate either the small or big engine, respectively) and another two wbs for the long cabin, same reason.

(The massive Limited limousine rode on its own, even longer, wb too! I'm not even going to attempt on the hyper-extended Hearses etc)


"The Special continued to use its 118-inch and 121-inch wheelbases, but the Super this year had its own exclusive chassis of 124-inch wheelbase. Likewise, the Century kept its 126-inch wheelbase; but the Roadmaster grew, and now used its own chassis with a wheelbase of 129-inches. The huge Limited retained its huge 139-inch wheelbase."
If you ignore the 118" wb variant (above quote, which was dropped post-war) you'll notice the respective 5" wb 'subset' stretch, required for the bigger-engined Century & Roadmaster

Hence for short-cabin the Special 121">Century 126" .. and long-cabin the Super 124">Roadmaster 129"
I saw the wheelbase difference, but you cannot tell from the outside what is what....
Indeed, and considering all of the above confusion, it was a stroke of genuis when Buick's Ned Nickles came up with the famous porthole differentiation system in 1949, wherein the big-motored models wore four portholes (no matter what individual wb) for instant recognition, while the lesser small-engined models received only three

(the above relates within 1942~49 Buicks, and mate I can only hope that these explanations hold a semblance of clarity)

[Ferrer]

So basically it's a mess... :)

Very interesting your insight on 40's Buicks, nota.

[henk4]

Ha, I just got the reference book out: Standard Catalog of American Cars 1946-1975 (4th edition) and that helps a lot in understanding what you just wrote...;)
And for the car under scrutiny here, the 1948 Super models also had "super" written behind the front fender, so we are looking at a 1947 model of either an RM or a Super, which are being described as outwardly the same, with the exception of longer mouldings in front of the doors to accommodate the longer wheelbase...but: QUOTE: The Roadmaster name appeared in red-filled script on a chrome button within the bumper guard crossbars, front and rear. UNQUOTE...

So can we see those red letters?

[nota]

So basically it's a mess... :)

Very interesting your insight on 40's Buicks, nota.
Cheers and a bit of a mess, yes. I guess you could imagine the scenario if, for example, you wanted a new brake line or somesuch (relating to the wheelbase). To which the parts stockist would ask: "Is your Buick the short-short, the short-long, or the long-short or the long-long." !! Geez :o

I know a modest amount on older Buicks, which btw were often superior to Cadillacs, but should acknowledge my quote and info-check comes from the US hardcover 'Seventy Years of Buick' by GH Dammann. With 352 A4 pages its a quality resource, and by sheer coincidence I was amazed after buying the book years ago, to see a picture within it of what can only be my great grandfather's Buick .. his very car!

Its the big black Series 90 at lower right, Model 97
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/th_Buick_Monash_1934.jpg (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/Buick_Monash_1934.jpg)

My grandfather inherited this car from near new, and kept this monster for many, many years. My late Father also had use of it in his younger days, and related some very amusing storys to me about it...

[henk4]

With 352 A4 pages its a quality resource, and by sheer coincidence I was amazed after buying the book years ago, to see a picture within it of what can only be my great grandfather's Buick .. his very car!

Its the big black Series 90 at lower right, Model 97
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/th_Buick_Monash_1934.jpg (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/Buick_Monash_1934.jpg)

My grandfather inherited this car from near new, and kept this monster for many, many years. My late Father also had use of it in his younger days, and related some very amusing storys to me about it...

So one out of 19...Has it survived somewhere?

[nota]

QUOTE: The Roadmaster name appeared in red-filled script on a chrome button within the bumper guard crossbars, front and rear. UNQUOTE...

So can we see those red letters?
I can't (no binoculars) and can only make out a smudge of red on the lower crossbar. Buick often used this colour to adorn their chrome details

Judging by a comparive wb estimation I still reckon its a '47 Super

(btw thats a great bit of precise ID info there Henk!) :cool:

[Ferrer]

What an interesting car history. :)

[nota]

So one out of 19...Has it survived somewhere?
Unknown :(. In the pic it bears 1969-issue rego plates. One of the local Buick clubs might have become aware of it; I was a member of one 20 years ago and did ask, but it didn't ring a bell with the guy I spoke to back then :confused:

On the subject of vintage Buicks, Henk, you and others might enjoy the terrific online content of one of our Buick clubs

Buick Car Club of Australia Inc. in N.S.W. - Home Page (http://www.buickclub.org.au/)

Try 'Road Tests' and especially 'Buick Stories' within the menu. Some of these stories are amazing, or simply endearing like this one
1919 - An Eight Year Old Driver of a Buick

Article reprinted from “The Buick Bulletin of Australasia” April 1921

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/th_750f747770d340b7ad64199885ca4b73.jpg (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/750f747770d340b7ad64199885ca4b73.jpg)

The subject of our photograph is Mr. Mullet's son, Irvine, who can handle the Buick Six with confidence. He learnt to drive at the age of seven, and is now a little over eight. He drives from Monduran Station to Bundaberg, a distance of over 40 miles, over some very difficult roads and hills, which include the Bullyard [mountain] Range. He is quite an expert driver over country roads, and understands how to handle the car on any steep grade. This speaks volumes for the simplicity of the Buick and the easy gear changes, He recently drove to Gin Gin by himself, struck a big sand patch, put on the chain, and got through with flying colors. Although he is not very big, he is quite strong for his age, and is an expert swimmer, a good gun and rifle shot, and a fine rider.
They built 'em tough in those days, and the cars as well. :p

Some of the tales of Outback (http://www.buickclub.org.au/Buick_Pages.php/SectionID/10/ContentID/300) travel simply defy our modern-day 4X4 heros and heroics

Speaking of tough, another Story: "1916 - 261,800 Miles in a Buick without renewing the bearings"

And in case you miss it, also from 1916 this pic for the Orange :)
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/th_f908d9197e5db070a24154c4378886a4.jpg (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/f908d9197e5db070a24154c4378886a4.jpg)

[Ferrer]

Now, you see you should come to UCP more often. :)

[henk4]

That's a nice story, "repairing the gearbox with some iron wire" and then get it fully repaired without charge....No punctures (mentioned???)
Anyway, if we are on the subject of Buicks, what's this, I don't have pre-war documentation

Off topic slightly, but I remember my brother had a model of a 1940-50 Buick, in creme, with a wind-up motor, steerable wheels, and little red pins as indicators that worked on the turning of the wheels. What's left of it is the key, in the shape of a policeman, with one arm sideways. No idea of the maker, could be Schuco, but not sure.

[nota]

That's a nice story, "repairing the gearbox with some iron wire" and then get it fully repaired without charge....No punctures (mentioned???)
You could bet there were plenty! That area is harsh and remote even today. Ty for having a look. Some of the ancient road tests are fun reading too

Anyway, if we are on the subject of Buicks, what's this, I don't have pre-war documentation

Allow me .. front fender detailing says 1923 .. oval rear window denotes 4cyl for that year .. voila! .. its the Model 23-35 Touring

Weight 2,520 lbs
Wheelbase 109"
36,935 'domestic' sales and only 63 for export
4cyl engine new in 1922 (same B&S as their redesigned for 1918 242cid Six cyl)
B&S 3-3/8" x 4.75 for 170cid
18.23 SAE hp

Off topic slightly, but I remember my brother had a model of a 1940-50 Buick, in creme, with a wind-up motor, What's left of it is the key, in the shape of a policeman, with one arm sideways
So that would be an angry policeman then, as in cran-key?

[henk4]

You could bet there were plenty! That area is harsh and remote even today. Ty for having a look. Some of the ancient road tests are fun reading too

Allow me .. front fender detailing says 1923 .. oval rear window denotes 4cyl for that year .. voila! .. its the Model 23-35 Touring

Weight 2,520 lbs
Wheelbase 109"
36,935 'domestic' sales and only 63 for export
4cyl engine new in 1922 (same B&S as their redesigned for 1918 242cid Six cyl)
B&S 3-3/8" x 4.75 for 170cid
18.23 SAE hp

So that would be an angry policeman then, as in cran-key?

Thanks, so the 23 on the license plate has a meaning, one never knows with German plates.
Imagine looking at a police man, his left arm comes out from the shoulder (surprise, surpise) and makes a p-shape to the hip, while his right arm stretches out horizontally. I don't think he is particularly angry, he just tells you to turn left.....

[henk4]

and in honour of your great grandfather, I found this one for you....
and in the spirit of the thread, what is the second picture, shot at Retromobile, earlier this year?

[nota]

and in the spirit of the thread, what is the second picture, shot at Retromobile, earlier this year?
The easy part is 1928, but which of the four individual Touring models? This proves more difficult, just from the pic.
Eg, are the wheels 31" (Standard Six) or 33" as on the Master Six?

So I resorted to peering closely at various (small!) pictures of these two series, and counted the number of bonnet louvres!
To my fading eyes, this aspect does appear to differ between Standard and Master; can anyone confirm?

Relying on the above louvre count, I think your depicted car is this:

1928 Buick Standard Six Touring, Model 28-25, which came in trail green with black mudguards and a buff top.

207cid
23.4 SAE hp
114.5" wb
(Btw all open-top Master Sixes had 128" wb, only two 4-door sedans among many enclosed Master variants were 120")

And thank you kindly for your Series 90 pic :cool: (5-passenger Club Sedan, Model 91). After Buick's great looking 1933 range, the big '34 Series 90 was not an especially beautiful car imho, but still very imposing. Those wide-whites make this particular beige rendition, representing Senior 'old money' Buicks, look somewhat more pimp than what my G-G would approve of!

[henk4]

Thanks for the i.d.
What strikes me however, that this 1928 car is only six years previous to the Model 91.....If you had said that the 1928 car was from 1918, I would have believed you also.
Anyway, the Model 91 was good enough to be invited to the 2008 Pebble Beach Concours, where I shot the car.

(I spent some time last night to scrutinize all my shots of various Buicks, and I'll find some ways to post them here or there)

[nota]

What strikes me however, that this 1928 car is only six years previous to the Model 91.....If you had said that the 1928 car was from 1918, I would have believed you also.

This observation prompted a quick comparitive look at what 'generational progression' was achieved by some other notable manufacturers, at least in the visual, within similar between-war timeframes. After some thought of fair exemplars, I chose Peugeot and Mercedes-Benz.

Ostensibly there doesn't seem much difference; a continuation of typically upright 'teens' styling themes continuing well into the mid-1930s, when the more integrated and bulbous Aero look revolution took hold, at least at Peugeot.

But look forward into the next revolution, being the more horizontal 'straight through' aka smooth-sided styling, which also manifests within a similar six-year gap:

#1 & 2: 1940 Buick sedans, the latter a nascent 3-box
#3 ~ 5: 1946 Kaisers, almost fully integrated, smooth sides, definitive 3-box shape

[Ferrer]

But couldn't it be that due to WWII car styling evolution just stopped during the late 30's until the mid 40's? Which is why probably we see early post-war cars look very similar to pre-war cars. In fact some manufacturers just started where they had left before, like for instance Alfa Romeo which continued building the 6C 2500 just like they had done before the war.

Which could explain why in some cases there wasn't so much of an evolution between the wars, because the interwar period wasn't all that relaxed. However after WWII we had a long period of peace which prompted car development, and therefore new designs and shapes.

[nota]

But couldn't it be that due to WWII car styling evolution just stopped during the late 30's until the mid 40's? Which is why probably we see early post-war cars look very similar to pre-war cars. In fact some manufacturers just started where they had left before, like for instance Alfa Romeo which continued building the 6C 2500 just like they had done before the war.

Which could explain why in some cases there wasn't so much of an evolution between the wars, because the interwar period wasn't all that relaxed. However after WWII we had a long period of peace which prompted car development, and therefore new designs and shapes.
In overview I think its true to say that advancements in styling have as much been influenced, reflected and realised, by advancements in industry (new manufacturing processes etc) as by designers and stylists.

I think related to the above, Henk was contrasting the lack of (Buick) styling advancement 1918~28, against vast change into almost unrecognisability by '34.

So anyway, following on, I wondered about various other marques during the interwar years, whether they too had exhibited this extended visual-design stasis, then a rapid 'leap' by the mid '30s. I chose a couple of respected euro brands and it seems they too mirrored what Henk had observed, albeit moreso for Peugeot. (I also had a quick 'decko' at Lancia & FIAT etc)

Then, musing further, I used his six-year gap to highlight the next rapid six-year 'leap' as I see it, from pre-WW2 into the immediate post-war era. To whit the 1940 Buick vs this '46 Kaiser, a then startlingly modern looking car which btw was envisaged and designed during wartime. As were quite a few others, including within Europe and the UK, for example from Gregorie and Citroen etc which iirc continued thinking and designing even during (very) hostile occupation?

For sure many manufacturers (and nations) were pummelled by war. But don't forget the first prototype of Issigonis' Morris Minor was completed on the 1st of September 1943! :)

[Ferrer]

In overview I think its true to say that advancements in styling have as much been influenced, reflected and realised, by advancements in industry (new manufacturing processes etc) as by designers and stylists.

I think related to the above, Henk was contrasting the lack of (Buick) styling advancement 1918~28, against vast change into almost unrecognisability by '34.

So anyway, following on, I wondered about various other marques during the interwar years, whether they too had exhibited this extended visual-design stasis, then a rapid 'leap' by the mid '30s. I chose a couple of respected euro brands and it seems they too mirrored what Henk had observed, albeit moreso for Peugeot. (I also had a quick 'decko' at Lancia & FIAT etc)

Then, musing further, I used his six-year gap to highlight the next rapid six-year 'leap' as I see it, from pre-WW2 into the immediate post-war era. To whit the 1940 Buick vs this '46 Kaiser, a then startlingly modern looking car which btw was envisaged and designed during wartime. As were quite a few others, including within Europe and the UK, for example from Gregorie and Citroen etc which iirc continued thinking and designing even during (very) hostile occupation?

For sure many manufacturers (and nations) were pummelled by war. But don't forget the first prototype of Issigonis' Morris Minor was completed on the 1st of September 1943! :)
Well you have a point and there certainly are exceptions, but I think that there could be a correlation between conservadurism, technically and stylistically (in general) and bad economic conditions. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find graphics or empirical evidence to support my claims.

Nevertheless I'd say that one of the reasons for cars from the 20's and early 30's looking the same is because the bad economic conditions due to WWI first and then the Great Depression made car manufacturers stay with similar styling. However by the mid 30's things had improved and car makers started to experiment and innovate again. This may only apply to European cars, though.

To illustrate this you can see those three Lancias. The first two (a Lambda from 1923 and an Artena from 1930) follow the same styling trends, but by 1937 the Aprilia had changed radically. In a way that's what happened too in the mid 70's with the oil crisis, when car manufacturers soldiered on with oldish cars for several years before actually changing them.

Or maybe, it's none of that... :)

[henk4]

Let's see whether a mod can open a separate thread for this discussion.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Well you have a point and there certainly are exceptions, but I think that there could be a correlation between conservadurism, technically and stylistically (in general) and bad economic conditions. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find graphics or empirical evidence to support my claims.

Nevertheless I'd say that one of the reasons for cars from the 20's and early 30's looking the same is because the bad economic conditions due to WWI first and then the Great Depression made car manufacturers stay with similar styling. However by the mid 30's things had improved and car makers started to experiment and innovate again. This may only apply to European cars, though.

To illustrate this you can see those three Lancias. The first two (a Lambda from 1923 and an Artena from 1930) follow the same styling trends, but by 1937 the Aprilia had changed radically. In a way that's what happened too in the mid 70's with the oil crisis, when car manufacturers soldiered on with oldish cars for several years before actually changing them.

Or maybe, it's none of that... :)

to mess with your argument, which I agree with, I would say that even in the thirties, cars were a relatively new thing existing just since 40 years but really available in a worth scale since I would say 20 years. therefore, not only the market but even the design behind it, and so the styling too, were still to being developed and to move forward from the classic engined horse carriages' idea.
also, in those 40 years between the thirties and the first "cars" a lot of happenings were happening, from WWI to the economy recessions, so yes and definitely, social periods, happenings and situation are factors that are strongly involved in what 's going on behind the development of a certain product.

[xepoj]

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5681/1qza3wjq96naozv9i20.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1qza3wjq96naozv9i20.jpg)

Is this Simca??? :confused::confused:

[Ferrer]

Ford Vedette Sedan.

[xepoj]

thanks man :D

[juanelo242]

??????

Nº1 is a chinese VW
The 3º is some Ford

[italianspirit]

Okay I know it says 308 GTB on the back but someone told me that this is actually a 208 GTB. Can anyone confirm?

[cmcpokey]

Okay I know it says 308 GTB on the back but someone told me that this is actually a 208 GTB. Can anyone confirm?

no, its 308.

[akrmalas]

208 was available only for the Italian market smaller engune with turbo charger

[henk4]

I know of at least one 208 that is in the USA. Don't know whether that is actually this car, probably not, but I would not be surprised that an ownr would change the badge, just to make sure that he does not attract too much interest.

[LeonOfTheDead]

I checked my archive...never saw a car coming with so may exhaust layouts.
It could be a 208 just because it misses the fog lights, which was one of the small differences between the two, as in the Dino GT4.

[ulimator]

??????

All chinese, except Nº4 is VW but don't know the model and Nº1 says "C9" in the licence plate:

#1 - (looks like) Jianghuai A138..
#2 - SouEast V5
#3 - Guangzhou Honda Linian Concept The official website: ??????? (http://chinalinian.com.cn) Chinese only :(
#4 - FAW (don't know the model name, maybe C9, but...)

[Tatra Man]

Is this a late '27 Ford? If so, can anyone identify the model? If not, can anyone help please?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/essexsue/Dalby_Boys.jpg

[xepoj]

Does anybody know what car this is?

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/834/75182266.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=75182266.jpg)

[ulimator]

Does anybody know what car this is?


Hi! It s Lloyd 650, by British Lloyd company (not to be confused with the German company of the same name!)..

Lloyd cars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_cars) (British, there is also the same picture of this "mystery" :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_(car)) (German)

[ulimator]

And here's another picture of this car:

[Ecnelis]

Is it Type 35?

[henk4]

Yes, probably, you can see the opening in the bonnet, through which air is sucked into the supercharger

[Manel Baró]

Is it Type 35?
First picture shows the T35C of Stubert chased by the two T35B of Zanelli
(14) and the winner Dreyfuss (22) at Virage de la Gare during the 1930 G.P. de Monaco.

[xepoj]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/560/0b088ebf.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0b088ebf.jpg)

Is it Lotus?

[LeonOfTheDead]

Is it Lotus?

it looks really 330 P3/P4-ish.
definitely not a Lotus, probably some sort of replica or kit-car.

[ulimator]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/560/0b088ebf.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0b088ebf.jpg)

Is it Lotus?

Hi! This car is knows as a French kitcar Coste C2.

Try looking here:

Coste C2 | Sports Cars (http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/vehicles/road/cars/coste_c2.html)

And here: Titre de page (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/..automobiles.coste/)

(their official website), but I don't think they are still manufacturing this car..

[LeonOfTheDead]

halp.
Ferrari what?

[faksta]

860 Monza?

[LeonOfTheDead]

860 Monza?

nope, it has a different front end.

[faksta]

Indeed. Got it from my memory. Then maybe it is a 750, but it's Monza for sure.

I've checked and it is indeed a 750 Monza from 1954.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Indeed. Got it from my memory. Then maybe it is a 750, but it's Monza for sure.

I've checked and it is indeed a 750 Monza from 1954.

That's it, 1954 750 Monza, thanks a lot! :)

[Tatra Man]

Can I bump this one please.

Is this a late '27 Ford? If so, can anyone identify the model? If not, can anyone help please?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/essexsue/Dalby_Boys.jpg

[nota]

Can I bump this one please.

I'm no expert so its hard to provide you with a definitive answer. Many car brands of this vintage bore a very close visual relationship to each other, and it can prove especially risky for rank amateurs like me to tender an authorative answer just from one small picture.

There can be visual differences even amongst a single vehicle model, from the various coachbuilders who might have supplied bodies to the manufacturer, or distributor, as cars were often sold ex-factory as bare driveable chassis' to be on-fitted with bodies by secondary producers.

And many factory-bodied models did evolve in appearance over long production runs, eg Ford eventually built 15 million of the Model T !!

Within that proviso, however, and from this distance, it sure does look like a Model T Ford to me, of the Phaeton aka Tourer bodystyle, and Ford was still producing the Model T in 1927.

Compare your pic to this >> original example (http://www.users.bigpond.com/cool386/geelong3.jpg) << (Ford-Oz built variant)


And a funny pic for you, to depict what can befall a Model T when you snag the steering tie-rod onto a high kerb :)

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/th_Oops.jpg (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/nota_photo/Oops.jpg)

[xepoj]

Simca???

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3686/27wrp50.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27wrp50.jpg)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1834/i6xk07.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=i6xk07.jpg)

[Revo]

Not Simca, it's Heuliez Murene (http://www.conceptcars.it/carrozzieri1/heuliez/murene.htm).

[xepoj]

Not Simca, it's Heuliez Murene (http://www.conceptcars.it/carrozzieri1/heuliez/murene.htm).

Tnx man :)

[WyleECoyote]

HELP!!

I've got these pics form ISC (Italiansupercar.net (http://www.italiansupercar.net)) and I want to know what they are.

Please help.

Thanks!

[henk4]

the red one is a Stanguellini 1100 Sport Bialbero from 1950, the yellow one carries a Ferrari badge, I suppose it a special bodied 500 TRC, if not a replica of some sorts.

[Wouter Melissen]

The yellow car has a Series I 500 Mondial tail.

[Ferrer]

I'm having trouble identifying these Audis and Horchs for the hideout. Can anyone help?

[Revo]

Sure.

1. 1929 Audi Type S Zwickau Phaeton
2. 1911-1916 Audi Type B (10/28 HP)
3. 1911-1916 Audi Type C (14/35 HP)
4. 1929 Audi Type S Zwickau Sport Cabriolet
5. 1906 Horch 18/22 HP

[Ferrer]

Sure.

1. 1929 Audi Type S Zwickau Phaeton
2. 1911-1916 Audi Type B (10/28 HP)
3. 1911-1916 Audi Type C (14/35 HP)
4. 1929 Audi Type S Zwickau Sport Cabriolet
5. 1906 Horch 18/22 HP
Thank you very much.

[xepoj]

can someone help?

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7310/dtuyintuilnbt89667109.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dtuyintuilnbt89667109.jpg)

[Revo]

can someone help?
Sorry mate, this horrid thing is not a car.

:p

However, there are lines from Mercedes-Benz Heckflosse series - this could be someone's feeble attempt at coachbuilding a S-class wagon.

[Ferrer]

It's actually a Bentley S2 LWB, LHD, #LLBA9 Wendler Shooting Brake from 1960.

Bentley S2 Wendler Shooting Brake (http://www.rrab.com/s2wend.htm#top)

[Revo]

It's actually a Bentley S2 LWB, LHD, #LLBA9 Wendler Shooting Brake from 1960.

Bentley S2 Wendler Shooting Brake (http://www.rrab.com/s2wend.htm#top)
Thanks for clearing that up.

It is hard to believe someone paid vast amount of money for this bastard. Taste he had not.

Then again, that original MB 300S wagon works exceptionally well.

[cmcpokey]

Isn't it a Porsche Boxster?

spammer.... ban hammer struck him down.

[Dolgan]

Shrani.si - slike, video posnetki in druge datoteke (http://www.shrani.si/?19/1H/3UmYdsaL/as.jpg)

which car is this???

[Ferrer]

Venturi 400GT.

[Dolgan]

thanks a lot.......:)

[Namejockey]

A friend of mine caught a pic of these two Bugatti Veyrons during a holiday to the south of france (Monaco F1/Cannes film festival combo). The first one seems to look like the original:

http://peecee.dk/uploads/062009/RegCrop.jpg

The second one however looks weird. There are parts from the Noir Sang limited edition (wheels, headlamps), but not all of them? Also he (my friend) claims that the second Veyron seemed smaller than the first one - So maybe it's a kit??

http://peecee.dk/uploads/062009/NoirCrop.jpg

[Matra et Alpine]

Removed the inline images as they exceed the forum guidelines.
PLEASE use the attachmetn system to include images.

[Namejockey]

Oh sorry, I just used the 'Insert image' button and thought it would resize accordingly. I didnt' mean to make the forum look weird with my huge pics :)

I Hope somebody knows what car the second Bugatti Veyron is.

[LeonOfTheDead]

probably just a modified one, with bits and bites from the Pur Sang, despite not being one obviously. Could have been "tuned" by Mansory

[faksta]

My turn :)

I have found these two cars on the same website. One is said to be 'Proto Lotus' (the photo itself was signed as 'frederiquelotus'), while the other, being from the outside quite a Renault Sport Spider, has Ferrari badges and was called Ferrari MR 400 S. There are pictures of three different MR 400 S there and all are said to be 2003. Anyone knows what was the story behind that?

There is also a video on them on YouTube where they are said to be made by Helem (RJ) and equipped with Ferrari V8.
YouTube - Spa Italia 2008 Fly-by of 3 Helem Spiders

[faksta]

Oh, I've found who was behind the Ferrari proto. A number of cars was built by Scuderia Maranello using Ferrari V8 indeed (3496cc and 400hp), so it's not Ferrari's project. The car was called MR400.

http://www.scuderiamaranello.com/index.php?page=paragraph&iId=13
http://news.caradisiac.com/MR-400-un-proto-a-moteur-Ferrari-video-398

The lotus is still a mystery ;)

[xepoj]

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1079/100800175688227573124.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/100800175688227573124.jpg/)

:confused::confused::confused:

[faksta]

I would suppose it to be a 1947-1953 Standard Vanguard Phase I.

Standard Vanguard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Standard Vanguard (http://www.johnw55.freeuk.com/vanguard/)

Standard Vanguard Phase I - Motorbase (http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-id/1118/)

[Ecnelis]

Some lovely Bill Michell's '40s concept... :D :confused:

[racerboy]

Pretty awesome thread...

[happymmr]

Some lovely Bill Michell's '40s concept... :D :confused:



Coollllllllllll

[LeonOfTheDead]

Yep, it's a Ferrari, you genius!
Which one though...?

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=310270&stc=1&d=1247514880

[LeonOfTheDead]

the gray one, on the back of the 599:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=310416&stc=1&d=1247745116

[whiteballz]

Looks a bit ascari doesn't it?

[Ferrer]

The Ferrari, F50 mule maybe?

[LeonOfTheDead]

The Ferrari, F50 mule maybe?

considering the quality of the image, the rear wing and the headlights, I thought that too.

[Isdera]

Anyone know the name of these cars? I have been looking for their name since a lot of time...

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/84b2cd75cd.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/b1289cc6bc.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/UneBee.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/260742021f.jpg

Thank you!

[WyleECoyote]

Spotted at Modena Track Day 2009, from RedinFocus, claiming it as a Ferrari 212 Export Touring, but I don't think so. Can anyone help?

[henk4]

check here
Ferrari 212 Export - Ultimatecarpage.com - Images, Specifications and Information (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/gallery.php?num=17049)

it is a rebodied car though.

[ulimator]

Anyone know the name of these cars? I have been looking for their name since a lot of time...

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/84b2cd75cd.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/b1289cc6bc.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/UneBee.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u80/Isdera_SP/260742021f.jpg

Thank you!

#1 - looks a bit familiar
#2 - the car that I am trying to identify somehow too. A real mystery
#3 - Luka Design Silver Bee

[ulimator]

the gray one, on the back of the 599:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=310416&stc=1&d=1247745116

It is one of the Sbarro Alcadors.

[f6fhellcat13]

#1 - looks a bit familiar
#2 - the car that I am trying to identify somehow too. A real mystery
#3 - Luka Design Silver Bee
The first car looks like a cross between a FIAT Barchetta and a Mazda Miata, to me at least. Possible re-bodying of one of those?

[LeonOfTheDead]

only Miata, if that's the case

[xepoj]

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6466/111ogi.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/111ogi.jpg/)

:confused::confused::confused:

[cargirl1990]

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6466/111ogi.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/111ogi.jpg/)

:confused::confused::confused:

i think i know what this is... im pretty sure that it might be a Fiat or Renualt.

[xepoj]

hmmm, I think this is an English car.

[LeonOfTheDead]

probably an English kit car. if you look at the body, it isn't made of various pieces put together, so no production car there.
Definitely not Fiat, Renault either.

[wwgkd]

probably an English kit car. if you look at the body, it isn't made of various pieces put together, so no production car there.
Definitely not Fiat, Renault either.

Nonanswers suck. Probably what it is, though. Been driving me crazy because it seems so familiar yet it's not anything I know.

[cargirl1990]

probably an English kit car. if you look at the body, it isn't made of various pieces put together, so no production car there.
Definitely not Fiat, Renault either.

it looked very French and Italian to me.

[Matra et Alpine]

AN early GTM Coupe kit car

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn366/michielkisjes/PICT4299.jpg

[LeonOfTheDead]

Nonanswers suck. Probably what it is, though. Been driving me crazy because it seems so familiar yet it's not anything I know.

that's because it's a sort-of-MB-Triuph-ish car.

AN early GTM Coupe kit car

thanks

[xepoj]

AN early GTM Coupe kit car


Thanks ! :)

[cargirl1990]

thanks! :)

[nota]

:confused:

[LeonOfTheDead]

reminds me of an Alfa 40/60 HP Ricotti, just way worst.
I'm pretty surprised Nota doesn't know what a car is :p, and sorry but I can't help.

[wwgkd]

:confused:

I have seen that before on tv with the national guard stickers and everything. Of course I can't remember last tuesday so I don't know what the car is, but I have seen it.

[f6fhellcat13]

Hehe, it feels strange knowing a car that nota doesn't. ;)
That's a McQuay-Norris(or maybe Morris) Streamliner. A special body, but with Ford internals, engine, and chassis.

EDIT: It is indeed Norris, not Morris, and I believe it was only made in '34.

[nota]

Thanks very much guys :)

I thought I recognised those wheels as Ford items, but knew it wasn't a Stout, and that blue euro-look wagon is the background cast doubt as to national origin.

Seems like a vehicle worth knowing about, and now I'm able to investigate further thanks to ID by F6 :cool:

[Rasmus]

Citroën Elysée. A small sedan for the Chinese market based on the ZX platform with some later model bits thrown into the mix, eg. the dash out of a Xsara. Produced by Dongfeng if I'm not mistaken.

[Kitdy]

Whazzat?

[Rasmus]

'92 Alfa Romeo Group C. Used the Ferrari F1 V12

[Kitdy]

'92 Alfa Romeo Group C. Used the Ferrari F1 V12

Many thanks Rasmus, I thought that it was a late Alfa Group C racer actually - a bit of an uninspired name though, no?

UCP has a thread on it actually - as it turns out, it or it's chassis is called Alfa Romeo SE048 according to a forumite on 10 Tenths and an internet search.

I Googled to find out who owns it but there is very little about this car on the web - does anyone happen to know who owns this remarkable car?

[henk4]

I Googled to find out who owns it but there is very little about this car on the web - does anyone happen to know who owns this remarkable car?

It sits in the Alfa Romeo Museum

[Wouter Melissen]

'92 Alfa Romeo Group C. Used the Ferrari F1 V12

I believe it uses Alfa's V10.

[Kitdy]

It sits in the Alfa Romeo Museum

I believe it uses Alfa's V10.

Will there be a UCP feature at some point maybe?

[Rasmus]

I believe it uses Alfa's V10.

It's quite possible, but the one depicted here has a V12. 6 ignition coils, injectors, exhausts, etc. pr. side.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/multimedia/18754-1992-alfa-romeo-group-c.html

[Kitdy]

How odd. Alfa Romeo had a suitable engine from their own company and they opted to use a Ferrari V12. I would guess that a V10 would probably be more optimal for a 3.5L engine as well.

[henk4]

It's quite possible, but the one depicted here has a V12. 6 ignition coils, injectors, exhausts, etc. pr. side.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/multimedia/18754-1992-alfa-romeo-group-c.html

the one in the museum, actually the only one, had this sign posted next to it when we visited the museum three years ago. There is also an engine shown outside the car.

[Kitdy]

Why then is that in the pics of the Alfa is there a V12 in it?

Also, can we see more shots of the Group C?

EDIT: Maybe they changed that engine was in it or something?

[Rasmus]

Well, the obvious answer must be that they changed it somewhere along the line. The sign says 1986, yet the magazine says 1992. The picture posted is easily recognizable from the photo spread in the magazine scans, and the article mentions it being based on a Ferrari V12 from the '91 Formula 1 season, but with the Alfa name on it.

[Chrischrill]

Very simple. I wish. To you, it probably is, however. What's this car?

[faksta]

Fiat 600 Multipla it is.

[Isdera]

And this? I only know that is english

http://i29.tinypic.com/2s8ppjd.jpg

[faksta]

This one reminds me of Dax Kamala or Dare DZ, but sadly it's none of the above :(

[xepoj]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9954/41544445.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/41544445.jpg/)

:confused: