iPhone 4th Gen.

[PRC777]

New iPhone. I know you guys are gonig to hop on this. I know we got some fanboys on this site. :cool:
The time has come. After multiple leaks earlier in the year, we get to see official images of the new iPhone 4G by Apple today. It turns out that the leaked iPhone was the new one. The new iPhone 4G comes with:

* all new design
* glass on the front and rear
* front facing camera
* camera and LED flash on the back
* thinnest smartphone ever
* stainless steel band on the exterior acts as antenna (the outer rim of the phone)
* stainless steel case
* resolution twice as good as on the 3GS with the Retina display
* new A4 chip designed by Apple
* comes with Mircosim to save space
* imprived battery life by 40%
* 5 megapixel camera with digital zoom
* HD video recording

[cmcpokey]

yeah, my contract comes up this year on my 3G. and they just announced that they will consider you eligible for upgrade if it ends any time in 2010. so i will likely get one when it comes out on 24 June.

[PRC777]

Same here. :)

[Dary]

Waiting to see if they will release an unlocked version.

[NSXType-R]

I'm not into the iPhone, although I do have an iTouch.

If they made an iTouch with a camera, I might be interested though.

[Niko_Fx]

I'm not into phones much, but the Iphone is just impressive, not a single phone out there is better than this thing, period.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

This is a notable upgrade, but many of the features they talk about have been available on other handsets for nearly a decade. Not that this is anything new with an Apple product.

I think I'm bored with my iPhone 3G's lack of multimedia and social networking abilities (it is 2 years old now, I suppose) so I'll likely be upgrading to an Android handset.

Seriously, these upgrades aren't so much "oh wow, thats amazing!", more "oh, it didn't have them before?"

[whiteballz]

Lack of multimedia and social networking abilities?

wut.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

iPod is great, sure.

But I don't like having to open a new app everytime I want to do something, I should be able to switch between apps and have them integrate into my homepage, so that I don't have to open my Facebook app, for instance, to find out new stuff.

A good example is Friendstream on Android, syncronises all recent contact with my friends (eg, texts, calls, facebook updates) and knits them together on a homepage, rather than tap-facebook-tap-texts-tap-calls-tap-frustration.

It's pretty, no doubt, but I'm wanting something more. And the only thing holding me to an iPhone - iTunes - Can be overtaken with DoubleTwist.

[NSXType-R]

iPod is great, sure.

But I don't like having to open a new app everytime I want to do something, I should be able to switch between apps and have them integrate into my homepage, so that I don't have to open my Facebook app, for instance, to find out new stuff.

A good example is Friendstream on Android, syncronises all recent contact with my friends (eg, texts, calls, facebook updates) and knits them together on a homepage, rather than tap-facebook-tap-texts-tap-calls-tap-frustration.

It's pretty, no doubt, but I'm wanting something more. And the only thing holding me to an iPhone - iTunes - Can be overtaken with DoubleTwist.

I think multitasking is in the next iPhone OS.

[whiteballz]

I dont think what Regi is talking about would be covered by multi-tasking.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

That is true. But it's not a magical feature, nor is it new. My problem is the fundamental need to go back to the homepage and start again, regardless of multi-tasking.

And it's a dock, the program still shuts itself off in the background is my understanding, you know, to create the great user experience.

I sound like a hater but I'm just a little fed up with this drip-fed yearly update crap that reminds me of how Americans used to buy their cars - NEW FOR 2010! MORE CHROME! I prefer it to no updates at all, but this is not the revolution they claim. They've been milking that evolution for 4 years now :)

[NSXType-R]

That is true. But it's not a magical feature, nor is it new. My problem is the fundamental need to go back to the homepage and start again, regardless of multi-tasking.

And it's a dock, the program still shuts itself off in the background is my understanding, you know, to create the great user experience.

I sound like a hater but I'm just a little fed up with this drip-fed yearly update crap that reminds me of how Americans used to buy their cars - NEW FOR 2010! MORE CHROME! I prefer it to no updates at all, but this is not the revolution they claim. They've been milking that evolution for 4 years now :)

It's fine, I don't like the iPhone. AT&T's service is terrible from what I hear. That's why I'd be interested in an iTouch that has a camera. I like the camera and video recording maybe. I just don't need it in phone form as well. I already have a cell phone. It does what I want. I just want a better everyday camera than my stupid cell phone camera- it's out of memory and it sucks. I need a smaller camera for days when I don't want to carry my 7 year old point and shoot. :D

You're talking to someone who has a Macbook too.

[pimento]

I'm still pondering whether or not I want this. I've never had a smartphone, so it's all pretty new to me. Not sure I mind about having to tap into things to get updates, I'm not someone who minds not being on twitter 24/7. The main reason I don't have anything fancy yet is that I'm not sure it's worth increasing my phone bill four fold to do it.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I have a $29 cap w/ $10 internet add on that does me nicely.

granted, I bought the phone outright, but still...there are ways and means.

[pimento]

I'm currently on a $19 cap and the phone was free. How many megglebytes do you get/use?

[S.O.S]

50% of people i see with the i-phone, only do 99% of what i do with my phone. I think (some) people only get the new wizz bang toy as it's the cool thing. Half the time there are more phones with more substance- or more towards your real needs. I'll look at the i-phone in 12 months again and weigh that up.

[Rockefella]

50% of people i see with the i-phone, only do 99% of what i do with my phone. I think (some) people only get the new wizz bang toy as it's the cool thing. Half the time there are more phones with more substance- or more towards your real needs. I'll look at the i-phone in 12 months again and weigh that up.

High tech phones are only appreciated when you get one for yourself the first time. Then you'll never go back. I HATE Apple, but I love my iPhone.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I'm currently on a $19 cap and the phone was free. How many megglebytes do you get/use?

~500mb. More than enough for a Smartphone (unless you start tethering with it, but thats another story entirely.)

[Roentgen]

Very keen on this. My N97 has a faulty main board, so I might be given store credit to buy a new phone with. Probably going to wait for this to be released.

But then Nokia will be releasing the N8, which has a 12mp camera, and proper GPS... something I need...

[NSXType-R]

50% of people i see with the i-phone, only do 99% of what i do with my phone. I think (some) people only get the new wizz bang toy as it's the cool thing. Half the time there are more phones with more substance- or more towards your real needs. I'll look at the i-phone in 12 months again and weigh that up.

Part of it is that Apple's branding and name brand recognition. Same idea with BMW.

[PRC777]

UPDATE: Some questions are answered for you guys.
How much will the 16GB and 32GB models of the new iPhone 4 cost without a subsidy and contract [UNLOCKED]? Is that option available?
Yes, the phones are available without a contract and without a subsidy. The 16GB iPhone will cost $599 and the 32GB iPhone is $699.

...So this means I can get the 16GB for $199 and the 32GB for $299, correct?
Correct.

Also, pics of the white iPhone. Yeah, I'll be getting the black. So much for the 64GB that was much rumored...

[LeonOfTheDead]

So this is my present phone, now in much worse condition.

http://all4mobiles.com/photo/Nokia%202600.jpg

It sucks, but I don't want it to die any time soon 'cause I don't want to pay for a new cell phone, let alone something so expensive.
But I do want a touch screen notebook/desktop pc. Just saying.

[S.O.S]

High tech phones are only appreciated when you get one for yourself the first time. Then you'll never go back. I HATE Apple, but I love my iPhone.
I got a 5110! lol, no seriously i have the fancy stuff and all that in my phone, all touch and shake and stuff..
Part of it is that Apple's branding and name brand recognition. Same idea with BMW.
Expensive taxi ? lol. They do great things apple, they pretty much made the mobile phone world wake up, and it was needed.

[Suka]

I just want to throw a couple of things in. For starters I am really not a fan of the iPhone, my HTC Hero can keep up with the iPhone 4 and it's a year old.

First thing is about the video calls, they can only be made over wifi. Why? When I am attached to my wifi I just use Skype on my PC.

Secondly is the video editing, what's the point in that? I feel cramped editing on my 24" monitor, I have a secondary 19" for playback. Also my HD video folder with my edits in is 54GB, yet Apple don't do a phone greater than 32GB? I think they missed a trick there.

Just my opinions. I do think the display is a very good innovation though.

Oh and the A4 chip was developed by Samsung...

[S.O.S]

HTC Hero is one phone i was looking at. Cheaper then the i-phones with a better deal hard to ignore.

[cmcpokey]

they will be releasing the face time for use over 3G eventually, but they have to make sure the carriers are ready for it.. thats a lot of bandwidth it would suck up.

[Suka]

they will be releasing the face time for use over 3G eventually, but they have to make sure the carriers are ready for it.. thats a lot of bandwidth it would suck up.

I understand, but I have been making video calls for about 2 years now and my network seems to handle it fine, both phones I used had VGA front facing cameras so the data transfer was the same. It just seemed a silly!
Maybe with the iPhone now supporting video calls it might drive down the costs to make one!

[pimento]

Facetime over wi-fi only for now will likely be a US only thing.

[Matra et Alpine]

Suka, the US is only an "emerging market" for advanced phone features and usage and so most of the things seen as "new and attractive" will be old had to us.
With the exception of touch and screen resolution this "new" iPhone is only NOW matching the N95 design I've had for the last 3 years.
Apps ? Yes, oodles more on the iPhone ... but do I really need a "gun simulator" or a "candle" ? All the real apps are covered. The N95s assisted GPS is as good now as when released 3 years ago. Music/Video ? Yes .. and best of all not forced to buy them through the vendors store :)
Coming back to markets, we are more "mature" ... and for that reason astounds me how succesful the iPhone marketing is in the UK. Folks who've bought though dont' really realise that what the iPhone pronounces as "new and innovative" is old old tech.

[LeonOfTheDead]

I think Italy is the largest or the second largest (first being Japan or something) market for mobile phones, yet people go nuts for the iPhone.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

In Australia (At least on the network I work for) we've had to upgrade our coverage significantly to cover the way the iPhone sucks data down it's portals.

Great device and a beaut piece of industrial design, but It's about as advanced as a slice of cheese in the phone world.

Slap an apple on the back though, and suddenly it's the second coming of the messiah.

[john14]

I have a $29 cap w/ $10 internet add on that does me nicely.

granted, I bought the phone outright, but still...there are ways and means.

IB4R, my 3 mobile $29 cap with $12 internet pack expires in August. I don't know whether to get an iPhone 4 or an Android phone. Do you have any advice?

[pimento]

In Australia (At least on the network I work for) we've had to upgrade our coverage significantly to cover the way the iPhone sucks data down it's portals.

Great device and a beaut piece of industrial design, but It's about as advanced as a slice of cheese in the phone world.

Slap an apple on the back though, and suddenly it's the second coming of the messiah.

Which network do you work for? I work for the v one that just merged with the # one.... there's sme struggling there.

jonh14, it depends on what you want. Most of the difference between smaertphones is down to how they sync with your PC. If you use a lot of Google services, Android will be for you, if you use a Mac then iPhone4 will be for you. If you use a lot of MS things (Outlook tasks and calendars and whatnot) then it might be worth waiting until MS phone 7 thing happens. That won't be until early next year though, so.. yea. Things that depend on things will depend on things that depend on things.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

IB4R, my 3 mobile $29 cap with $12 internet pack expires in August. I don't know whether to get an iPhone 4 or an Android phone. Do you have any advice?

It's dependant on what you want to do, and what sort of ecosystem you're willing to engage yourself with.

iTunes etc is well established and the aftersales is more than likely to be strong, but Android handsets are a growing force and being open source they have greater scope for growth, but the growth hasn't happened yet.

The easiest thing to say would be to wait until the day before your contract update and see which is the better device and service at the time - you can't really go wrong either way.

[Cotterik]

I'll wait on the inevitable 4GS. they've still not convinced me to part from my crackberry..

[pimento]

I think they want to lose the G from the name to avoid (more) confusion.. the #G noclementure was inherited from the ipod and just confused things when it came to the iphone..

1G = first gen 2G phone
2G = 3G
3G = 3GS
4G = iPhone4 (no 4G capabilities)

Days until a class action lawsuit against apple for there not being any 4G in iPhone4... taking bets.

[PRC777]

I'll wait on the inevitable 4GS. they've still not convinced me to part from my crackberry..
Then you have a long way to go. :)
AT&T won't have 4G to begin with until 2011-2012. A 4GS would be around 2013-2014. Just speculatin'.

[NSXType-R]

It's dependant on what you want to do, and what sort of ecosystem you're willing to engage yourself with.

iTunes etc is well established and the aftersales is more than likely to be strong, but Android handsets are a growing force and being open source they have greater scope for growth, but the growth hasn't happened yet.

The easiest thing to say would be to wait until the day before your contract update and see which is the better device and service at the time - you can't really go wrong either way.

iTunes is well established, but it doesn't make it good. I use it for a first generation iTouch, and it's terrible.

I hate it with a passion.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I think they want to lose the G from the name to avoid (more) confusion.. the #G noclementure was inherited from the ipod and just confused things when it came to the iphone..

1G = first gen 2G phone
2G = 3G
3G = 3GS
4G = iPhone4 (no 4G capabilities)

Days until a class action lawsuit against apple for there not being any 4G in iPhone4... taking bets.

All official literature calls it iPhone 4, not 4G, specifically for that reason.

[S.O.S]

Android phones- they say will replace i-phone - crackberry as number one choice by 2012.

[cmcpokey]

well.. mine is preordered. i managed to get one ordered despite the cluster that was yesterday. apparently it crashed both AT&T and Apple's servers, and there was more opening day demand than for the 3G and the 3GS combined. so i should have it on or before the 2nd of july. my wife wants a white one, and they aren't doing preorders there, so she has to wait. sucks to be her.

[werty]

they pre-sold over 600,000 yesterday:eek::cool:

[pimento]

And then got the credit card numbers all mixed up...

[S.O.S]

So outside of the I-Phone. What is the future of the smart phones ?. In 2011 i will be looking for my upgrade phone, and still the i-phone doesn't appeal to me. It's design and look does, but that's where the love ends.

[pimento]

WinMo7? Android?

[S.O.S]

If winmob7 is as good as the windows 7 desktop, i'm in. But word has been android is much easier long term with ease of access through google to use. And that's why it will become number 1.

[pimento]

Android is really easy to use.. as long as you use Google. A mate tried to sync it with his Outlook... he sold the phone last week. Android is very much tied to google services.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Exactly Pimento - You have to be willing to commit yourself entirely to the ecosystem - which is why iPhones are so beloved by their users, they're indoctrinated from the most basic element of using the handset.

Android is fantastic at being open but it's still very much working through it's kinks. the Skins are what make it great and at the moment the fragmentation of the software (1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1) make it a bit confusing - waiting for 2.2 will hopefully align much of that.

WinMo7 is a very promising development but from what I've seen of the Kin interface it might be all show with little go. WinMo has traditionally been a bit tricky to use and the clean sheet approach they are taking could yield great success or glaring failure. by 2011 you should be able to make a much more informed decision about it.

What do I like? probably Android for the next 2 years, while it hits it's stride and iPhone users migrate to something new, but WinMo has serious potential for greatness and anti-iPhone success.

[pimento]

Kin does not equal WinMo7, Kin isn't a smartphone platform. WinMo7 should have much more going for it. All signs point to the new UI design being a vast improvement on the old one at any rate. Not that that would be too hard.

If someone was to buy a phone in the next month it's still be hard to recommend anything other than an iphone 4, but it's definately worth checking out Android if you can. Problem with that is the custom UI skins. 2.2 is good enough natively now that the skins don't give an advantage.. but make things worse in that phones can only be updated after the manufacturers release an update with the custom stuff on it. Also some just make things slower. Different moats for different boats...

[IBrake4Rainbows]

pwecisely.

iPhone 4 will be pretty decent out of the box, but these days it's hardware is behind the times.

Likewise the software on some Androids are behind the times, but the Hardware is highly advanced.

The Kin platform I hope is not a reflection on WinMo7, but I'm pretty concerned they're going to forget some pretty important stuff...

[S.O.S]

.

iPhone 4 will be pretty decent out of the box, but these days it's hardware is behind the times.


So you're saying it's like the Aston martin V8 Vantage. It looks Aston hot, it sounds Aston hot, it just doesn't go very fast.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The easiest way to describe it is a Ferrari design and features with Fiat materials and tyres.

But judging from reviews this is meant to be a pretty nifty device, but of course they will say things like "it makes other phones look old", which is rich considering the basic interface is older than time itself.

[pimento]

I'm not sure we know the hardware specs yet. Last rumour I hears it that it may have 512 meggles of RAMs. Not sure we know the proc speed either.

[PRC777]

I'm not sure we know the hardware specs yet. Last rumour I hears it that it may have 512 meggles of RAMs. Not sure we know the proc speed either.
512 MB of RAM? Confirmed.
Specs revealed: iPhone 4 has 512MB of RAM | Circuit Breaker - CNET News (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20008089-260.html?tag=rtcol;relnews)
Processing speed is ~1GHz (don't know the exact number). I came to this number as the iPhone 4 has the same A4 chip as the iPad. Also, word has spread throughout the interwebz that it might process a bit slower than the iPad, which performs at 1GHz. All of this for the sake of battery life.
I'm guessing more than 600 MHz since it is said to be faster than the 3GS.

[PRC777]

Uh-Oh. It seems like some of the people who got theirs early have yellow-screen issues; just like the original and 3G. Apple always shipping out their lemons first...:rolleyes:

[IBrake4Rainbows]

YouTube - iPhone 4 Drops Calls when Left Corner is Touched

Oh dear oh Dear. Don't worry though, for $29 they'll sell you a solution!

http://static.onlykent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/iPhone4-Bumper-Cases.jpg

Or not.

[taz_rocks_miami]

It all depends what you want a smart phone for. I use mine (BlackBerry 8530) mainly for business. BlackBerry for me has the best e-mail client I have seen on a smart phone. You can have all your e-mail accounts (well up to 10) in one folder or you can separate them into individual folders (which I prefer).

The other apps all more than enough for what I need. I have GPS, Facebook, MSN, Yahoo and Google talk messengers...plus BlackBerry Messenger which has come in handy with my business contacs, since over half of them hava a BlackBerry. I´m looking to download Skype on it, and see how that works.

The music app syncs with no problem to iTunes, so no problem there. The web browser that comes with it is good enough for what I need. I just can´t get used to reading web pages on a small screen. The new track pad is way better than the old track ball. And it plays YouTube videos no problem. I´m considering upgrading to the Storm for it´s bigger screen.

The new iPhone and the Palm Pre are also tempting. But the BlackBerry does all I need. In the end as in everything else, it comes down to personal preference and what you use it for. But one thing is for sure. Once you have a smart phone, you´ll never go back to a ¨normal¨ cell phone.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

On a side note - Hello Taz! How's life?

[taz_rocks_miami]

On a side note - Hello Taz! How's life?

Hi IB4R!! Diong a lot better thanks :) How about you??

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Kicking on, you know ;) all degree'd up now, just trying to make my way in the real world.

I should get us back on topic by posting this lovely Passive Agressive Response (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/) to the iPhone4 aerial problem...

[pimento]

He later said to someone "There is no problem." Rumour and scuttlebutt suggests a software patch to come out to improve things.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Software patches can't improve poor design.

I'm truly amazed Apple got it so very, very wrong.

[pimento]

Yea, but apparently there's a software issue that's exascerbating things. I read something about 3GS owners having an issue too.

[Dino Scuderia]

1.7 million iPhone 4's already sold. Most successful product release by Apple so far.

[Kitdy]

Just goes to show you that even if Apple takes a shit, people will still buy it by the millions.

[Dino Scuderia]

Just goes to show you that even if Apple takes a shit, people will still buy it by the millions.

As long as you wear a backpack with Apple on it and drink $7 coffees it's all good. ;)

[Ferrer]

Don't forget the headlamp-engined posermobile.

[NSXType-R]

Don't forget the headlamp-engined posermobile.

What, BMW?

[PRC777]

Class action suit filed over iPhone 4 antenna | Circuit Breaker - CNET News (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20009399-260.html?tag=tabbedPromoUnitHolder;Blogs_content)
Apple is about to get sued over the antenna issue. And no, I don't think a software update is going to fix that.

[Blue Supra]

theyre hiring someone to fix it. Assuming the old guy got fired lol.

Apple - Jobs at Apple - Job description (http://jobs.apple.com/index.ajs?BID=1&method=mExternal.showJob&RID=55849&CurrentPage=1)

[IBrake4Rainbows]

This plainly a design fault that should have been picked up in testing. I hate to say it but it certainly looks like Apple have considered form over functionality...again.

[LeonOfTheDead]

It's like when you try to do something with your brand new purchase, something you're supposed to do like, you know, having a phone call with your phone, and it doesn't work.
So you are a bit confused, try again, but no, it won't work.
Then you're all like "wtf, didn't they even try it?!".

I used to say that with many pc/console games :D

[pimento]

This plainly a design fault that should have been picked up in testing. I hate to say it but it certainly looks like Apple have considered form over functionality...again.

Apparently that's pretty much exactly what happened.. the designers fought the engineers and won.

[wwgkd]

Apparently that's pretty much exactly what happened.. the designers fought the engineers and won.

Well they don't really sell their stuff based on engineering, they sell it on image, so I can see how this might have gone well enough before. But this really is kinda strange.

[pimento]

This is the first time the designers have pushed so far that they have garnered massive negative publicity. It'll be interesting to see what happens from here with that..

[taz_rocks_miami]

Well they don't really sell their stuff based on engineering

I can´t say that I agree with that. I´ve had Apple products in the past and they have never ever given me problems. I´m not a die hard MAC fan or fanboy. But as far as quality, I can´t say that I´ve had bad experiences with Apple in the past.

I think that here, they might have rushed the iPhone 4 to market before it was ready. Now Apple is gonna pay the price for it.


they sell it on image, so I can see how this might have gone well enough before. But this really is kinda strange.

True they sell on image, but part of that image is that their products work for the most part.

[Sledgehammer]

They really should introduce the Mac Wheel, and see how it sells...

[LeonOfTheDead]

Trying to defend their engineering, for as much as I can care about.

A couple of weeks ago or so my friend was going to leave for London, 3 months or so. He has an old iBook G4, which was a bit slower recently. So I volunteer to open the little brick and remove dust and all the other nice things you find in a notebook once you open it.
In the process, I was noticing how few air vents the iBook has, and was sort of concerned about the temperature's effect on the components. There is a thin metal sheet underneath the whole motherboard, hdd, etc. That helps dissipating the heat from the components so even if the case seems warmer than what's you'd espect/like, the components are supposedly OK.
Not having as much air vents as many other notebooks resulted in close to no dust at all inside the iBook, especially considering we are talking about a 5 years old G4, and he is not even so protective over it.
My HP, which is a bit over 2 years old was clogged with dust a couple of months ago, and I consider myself one that pays attention to this sort of stuff.

[PRC777]

An Apple Care rep. said and confirmed that the software update won't fix the iPhone's antenna issue. Wow.

[cmcpokey]

so, i have one. got it a week ago. and i have had zero problems with the antenna issue. i tried to replicate it, and was unable to. i generally use the bumper, so if you have that you will not have an issue with the reception (other than the software). i haven't even noticed the software glitch having an affect, and on the whole it has performed far better than my 3G ever did.

[LotusLocost]

Sorry for coming in late here. Don't have time to read through the tread.
But what is the price for a 4th gen in the US now? without binding to a network deal?
Thinking about someone buying it for me in the US and sending it to Norway.

[cmcpokey]

not cheap... i think it's 700 bucks for the 32gb

[Kitdy]

not cheap... i think it's 700 bucks for the 32gb

To put that in perspective, 700 dollars is about the cost of 3 hours of "entertainment" from escorts in Toronto.

Which would you rather have?

[RacingManiac]

To put that in perspective, 700 dollars is about the cost of 3 hours of "entertainment" from escorts in Toronto.

Which would you rather have?

odd way of comparing it...lol

[cmcpokey]

To put that in perspective, 700 dollars is about the cost of 3 hours of "entertainment" from escorts in Toronto.

Which would you rather have?

screwed for 3 hours, or screwed for 2 years.....

[Kitdy]

odd way of comparing it...lol

You gotta compare any potential purchase with hours of escort service that could be bought instead.

[Kitdy]

screwed for 3 hours, or screwed for 2 years.....

See? Now you're thinking.

[wwgkd]

What quality escorts are we talking? This the monday morning crew complete with knife scars from when somebody insulted their babys daddy or the all star friday night talent? Send pics, then I'll decide.

Wait, a wise man once said sex is like pizza, even when it's bad it's good. And this is just a phone.

[Dino Scuderia]

So...all this charade has basically been a snow-job by the media and politicians.

One half of one percent of users complained about the phone of 3 million sold, do the math.

Jobs showed in his conference today how the same thing happens with Blackberry Bold and HTC Android.

He said such is life in smartphone world.

However, everyone gets a free case and if they're still unhappy, a full refund.:rolleyes:

[RacingManiac]

1/2% of 3 million iPhone is 15000 phones. Compare that to the 6 sigma practice of 3.4 part per million that is still close to 5000x of the defect rate that most sector strive for....

But then Apple is not normal since they can label their logo on poop and people will still buy it...

[Dino Scuderia]

1/2% of 3 million iPhone is 15000 phones. Compare that to the 6 sigma practice of 3.4 part per million that is still close to 5000x of the defect rate that most sector strive for....

But then Apple is not normal since they can label their logo on poop and people will still buy it...

Yes.

Apple is great at creating products people want but have little experience in addressing issues. They sat on this too long, it got out of hand and made worse than it really is.

Maybe they learned.

[Kitdy]

One half of one percent of users complained about the phone of 3 million sold, do the math.

That in no way means that a larger - potentially significantly larger - portion of iPhone 4 users have experienced the problem. Those are the people who complained by calling. How many more emailed? How many more went to the store? How many more experienced the problem but did not complain?

This stat is not very useful. A useful stat would be an independent survey to determine the extent of the problem.

[Dino Scuderia]

That in no way means that a larger - potentially significantly larger - portion of iPhone 4 users have experienced the problem. Those are the people who complained by calling. How many more emailed? How many more went to the store? How many more experienced the problem but did not complain?

This stat is not very useful. A useful stat would be an independent survey to determine the extent of the problem.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

The overall number of dropped calls are pretty high with all smartphones in the US.

[LeonOfTheDead]

That in no way means that a larger - potentially significantly larger - portion of iPhone 4 users have experienced the problem. Those are the people who complained by calling. How many more emailed? How many more went to the store? How many more experienced the problem but did not complain?

This stat is not very useful. A useful stat would be an independent survey to determine the extent of the problem.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

The overall number of dropped calls are pretty high with all smartphones in the US.

I was wondering, how am I suppose to call to complain, if my phone doesn't work?!

[Dino Scuderia]

if my phone doesn't work?!

Who said anything about phones that don't work?

[LeonOfTheDead]

Who said anything about phones that don't work?

As far as it regards me, I don't care why call are dropped, that's a non working phone, no matter who produced it.

[Dino Scuderia]

As far as it regards me, I don't care why call are dropped, that's a non working phone, no matter who produced it.

The by god no smartphone works because everyone of them drop calls.

[RacingManiac]

BTW, last 2 phones I've owned, a LG Voyager and now a Motorola Droid, have never dropped a call....

The fact though that you have a condition that is easily replicable by just holding a phone a particular way is just odd though....You'd think they can catch a fault like that.

[Dino Scuderia]

I've had Nokia, Samsung and now 3GS...all three have dropped calls but I couldn't say one was any worse than the other. All three were used for business and personal...so a good amount of calls.

[PRC777]

So...all this charade has basically been a

However, everyone gets a free case and if they're still unhappy, a full refund.:rolleyes:

I think people would rather commit suicide than do this. I mean, how many people actually turned their phones back from all of this hoopla...?

[pimento]

The issue is more based on the fact that it seemed a dodgy design due to holding it in a natural way causing the issues. Sure, if you hold a phone in such a way that you ground the antenna or whatever it's bad, but surely in that case you shouldn't put the antennas where people are naturally going to hold the phone.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

So...all this charade has basically been a snow-job by the media and politicians.

One half of one percent of users complained about the phone of 3 million sold, do the math.

Jobs showed in his conference today how the same thing happens with Blackberry Bold and HTC Android.

He said such is life in smartphone world.

However, everyone gets a free case and if they're still unhappy, a full refund.:rolleyes:

The excuse of "well everyone else does it!" is not only tiresome, but patently incorrect.

The rigorous testing carried out by Apple is great in a lab test scenario but in a masterstroke of design dumbassery they haven't considered that an end user might hold their phone in a completely normal way and by doing so cause problems to the phones use.

The numbers of complaints are, as it has been explained, simply a statistic game. It can range from a minor annoyance to a rage inducing tantrum (and guess which one is going to complain loudest and through official measurable channels?) Working in a Phone shop I can tell you the people coming into complain about their phone service often do so on a whim, and certainly don't commit to a survey or complaint letter.

"Hold Different" is the most arrogant thing I think I've ever seen from a phone manufacturer. Ever. It's like making computer mice that don't work if you hand is resting on it - a product that is not fit for public consumption.

No other manufacturers have an external antenna design, and while I've no doubt this is much more network based than anything else, They've still managed to try and play both sides by saying "there isn't a problem...but here is a solution, anyway..."

I have to sell these things when they hit Australia at the end of the month, and I really can't recommend them because they have a fundamental flaw in their design, in their current guise.

And this game of la-la corporate land has done little to dissuade me from that opinion.

Still, it means if someone does buy it I get to make excellent add-on sales :)

[pimento]

No dice, people who complain get a free bumper thing. Also they quietly changed the hardware a little. The ones you sell should be ok.

[Dino Scuderia]

The excuse of "well everyone else does it!" is not only tiresome, but patently incorrect.

The rigorous testing carried out by Apple is great in a lab test scenario but in a masterstroke of design dumbassery they haven't considered that an end user might hold their phone in a completely normal way and by doing so cause problems to the phones use.

The numbers of complaints are, as it has been explained, simply a statistic game. It can range from a minor annoyance to a rage inducing tantrum (and guess which one is going to complain loudest and through official measurable channels?) Working in a Phone shop I can tell you the people coming into complain about their phone service often do so on a whim, and certainly don't commit to a survey or complaint letter.

"Hold Different" is the most arrogant thing I think I've ever seen from a phone manufacturer. Ever. It's like making computer mice that don't work if you hand is resting on it - a product that is not fit for public consumption.

No other manufacturers have an external antenna design, and while I've no doubt this is much more network based than anything else, They've still managed to try and play both sides by saying "there isn't a problem...but here is a solution, anyway..."

I have to sell these things when they hit Australia at the end of the month, and I really can't recommend them because they have a fundamental flaw in their design, in their current guise.

And this game of la-la corporate land has done little to dissuade me from that opinion.

Still, it means if someone does buy it I get to make excellent add-on sales :)

Let us know how it goes.

[NSXType-R]

My cousin has one already. I am not interested in it.

[Kitdy]

The rigorous testing carried out by Apple is great in a lab test scenario but in a masterstroke of design dumbassery they haven't considered that an end user might hold their phone in a completely normal way and by doing so cause problems to the phones use.

Oh, they knew about the problem. Jobs just said forge ahead.

[RacingManiac]

Oh, they knew about the problem. Jobs just said forge ahead.

Yeah, because the people will still buy it regardless....

like I said, they can sell poop with their logo on it...

[Rockefella]

Yeah, because the people will still buy it regardless....

like I said, they can sell poop with their logo on it...

Just got this in the Apple (e-mail) newsletter:

http://imgur.com/1ebTO.jpg

[clutch-monkey]

Yeah, because the people will still buy it regardless....

like I said, they can sell poop with their logo on it...
:
YouTube - iPhone4 vs HTC Evo

[wwgkd]

Funniest thing I've heard all day. And sadly true.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

:
YouTube - iPhone4 vs HTC Evo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=player_embedded)

I have had people like that in my store. No utter of a lie.

As for Kitdy...I've no doubt aesthetics played an overbearing role in choosing this type of design, but by shifting the seams around to maybe the bottom or top of the phone they could have minimised this while keeping the external antenna.

[LotusLocost]

not cheap... i think it's 700 bucks for the 32gb

Well, thats nothing compared to what it will cost without a cellplan up here.
The 3GS costs 1200 dollars without one today... The 4th gen will probably end up at 1500 to begin with..

So cmc, wanna buy one for me :D

[cmcpokey]

Well, thats nothing compared to what it will cost without a cellplan up here.
The 3GS costs 1200 dollars without one today... The 4th gen will probably end up at 1500 to begin with..

So cmc, wanna buy one for me :D

hit me up on facebook, and we can discuss it.

[Sledgehammer]

The iPhone 4 is doing well, profits up to record levels

Apple Reports First Quarter Results
All-Time Highest Revenue and Profit
New Accounting Standards Adopted
CUPERTINO, California—January 25, 2010—Apple® today announced financial results for its fiscal 2010 first quarter ended December 26, 2009. The Company posted revenue of $15.68 billion and a net quarterly profit of $3.38 billion, or $3.67 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $11.88 billion and net quarterly profit of $2.26 billion, or $2.50 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 40.9 percent, up from 37.9 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 58 percent of the quarter’s revenue.

Apple sold 3.36 million Macintosh® computers during the quarter, representing a 33 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. The Company sold 8.7 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 100 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 21 million iPods during the quarter, representing an eight percent unit decline from the year-ago quarter.

During the quarter Apple elected retrospective adoption of the Financial Accounting Standards Board’s amended accounting standards* related to certain revenue recognition. Adoption of the new accounting standards significantly changes how the Company accounts for certain items, particularly sales of iPhone® and Apple TV®.

“If you annualize our quarterly revenue, it’s surprising that Apple is now a $50+ billion company,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “The new products we are planning to release this year are very strong, starting this week with a major new product that we’re really excited about.”

“We are very pleased to have generated $5.8 billion in cash during the quarter,” said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple’s CFO. “Looking ahead to the second fiscal quarter of 2010, we expect revenue in the range of about $11.0 billion to $11.4 billion and we expect diluted earnings per share in the range of about $2.06 to $2.18.”

Apple will provide live streaming of its Q1 2010 financial results conference call utilizing QuickTime®, Apple’s standards-based technology for live and on-demand audio and video streaming. The live webcast will begin at 2:00 p.m. PST on January 25, 2010 at www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/earningsq110/ and will also be available for replay for approximately two weeks thereafter.

*Retrospective Adoption of Amended Accounting Standards

On September 23, 2009, the Financial Accounting Standards Board ratified Emerging Issues Task Force (EITF) Issue 08-1 and EITF Issue 09-3, resulting in the issuance of accounting standard updates ASU 2009-13 and ASU 2009-14. Apple was required to adopt the new accounting standards no later than the first quarter of fiscal 2011. Apple elected to adopt the new standards during the first quarter of fiscal 2010, as reflected in its Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended December 26, 2009, which was filed with the SEC on January 25, 2010. The Company also filed a Form 10-K/A to amend its Form 10-K for the year ended September 26, 2009 solely to reflect the retrospective adoption of the new accounting standards to the periods presented in that report. Additionally, Apple filed a Form 8-K that included selected quarterly financial schedules reflecting the impact of retrospective adoption of the new accounting standards and reconciling the application of old and new accounting principles to historical income statements, balance sheets, cash flow from operations, deferred revenue and summary data information. These financial schedules will also be available on the Company’s website at www.apple.com/investor.

The new accounting principles result in the Company’s recognition of substantially all of the revenue and product cost for iPhone and Apple TV when those products are delivered to customers. Under historical accounting principles, the Company was required to account for sales of both iPhone and Apple TV using subscription accounting because the Company indicated it might from time to time provide future unspecified software upgrades and features for those products free of charge. Under subscription accounting, revenue and associated product cost of sales for iPhone and Apple TV were deferred at the time of sale and recognized on a straight-line basis over each product’s estimated economic life. This resulted in the deferral of significant amounts of revenue and cost of sales related to iPhone and Apple TV.

Because Apple began selling both iPhone and Apple TV in fiscal 2007, the Company retrospectively adopted the new accounting principles as if the new accounting principles had been applied in all prior periods. Consequently, the financial results of each quarter from fiscal 2007 through fiscal 2009 have been revised. The Company believes retrospective adoption provides analysts and investors the most comparable and useful financial information and better reflects the underlying performance of the Company’s business.

For additional information refer to the “Explanatory Note” in Apple’s Amendment No. 1 to its Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended September 26, 2009.

This press release contains forward-looking statements including without limitation those about the Company’s estimated revenue and earnings per share. These statements involve risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ. Risks and uncertainties include without limitation the effect of competitive and economic factors, and the Company’s reaction to those factors, on consumer and business buying decisions with respect to the Company’s products; continued competitive pressures in the marketplace; the ability of the Company to deliver to the marketplace and stimulate customer demand for new programs, products, and technological innovations on a timely basis; the effect that product transitions, changes in product pricing or mix, and/or increases in component costs could have on the Company’s gross margin; the inventory risk associated with the Company’s need to order or commit to order product components in advance of customer orders; the continued availability on acceptable terms, or at all, of certain components and services essential to the Company’s business currently obtained by the Company from sole or limited sources; the effect that the Company’s dependency on manufacturing and logistics services provided by third parties may have on the quality, quantity or cost of products manufactured or services rendered; the Company’s reliance on the availability of third-party digital content and applications; the potential impact of a finding that the Company has infringed on the intellectual property rights of others; the Company’s dependency on the performance of distributors and other resellers of the Company’s products; the effect that product and service quality problems could have on the Company’s sales and operating profits; the Company’s reliance on sole service providers for iPhone in certain countries; the continued service and availability of key executives and employees; war, terrorism, public health issues, and other circumstances that could disrupt supply, delivery, or demand of products; potential litigation from the matters investigated by the special committee of the board of directors and the restatement of the Company’s consolidated financial statements; and unfavorable results of other legal proceedings. More information on potential factors that could affect the Company’s financial results is included from time to time in the Company’s public reports filed with the SEC, including the Company’s Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended September 26, 2009 and its Form 10-Q for the quarter ended December 26, 2009. The Company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information, which speak as of their respective dates.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award-winning computers, OS X operating system and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital media revolution with its iPod portable music and video players and iTunes online store, and has entered the mobile phone market with its revolutionary iPhone.



http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/01/25results.html

[RacingManiac]

again, with the apple-logo poop deal....

[Bob]

Also the latest firmware release (4.0.1) broke EVERYTHING that it is supposed to interface to with USB.

With regards to car radios at least. 3.1.3 played nice with everything... but from what I've heard 4.x has various interface problems with every manufacturer.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

People will pay for anything...

As that Video shows though - people are genuinely retarded enough not to care.

[pimento]

A guy at work tried an Android phone after years of WinMo. He sold it and bought another WinMo phone. Strange man. Existing WinMo phones will not be upgradable to WinMo7 so there's not even that about it.

Point is, it's not about the specs for people, it's about the UI, the syncing options and the user experience. People want the iPhone experience, they will try to attain the iPhone experience. Sure, they've not tried anything else but there's no guarantee that Android will work for them. Then theres the extra UIs that manufacturers put over Android that fracture the market and in some cases ruin the experience (or so I've heard). In short it can't definitively be said that the HTC Evo is better than the iPhone 4 in all ways to all people, but it may be to many people who choose not to explore their options.

I dunno really.. people are sheep, but it just feels like Apple are not as shiny and mysterious to the general public anymore. The wonder is starting to fade.

[LeonOfTheDead]

I dunno really.. people are sheep, but it just feels like Apple are not as shiny and mysterious to the general public anymore. The wonder is starting to fade.

Not sure, there still are people who don't know the differences between a macBook, a Pro or an Air, yet they own one of them.

[wwgkd]

I was thinking the shine would have started to fade with the whole police trashing the guys house thing, but you have that, then this, and still record profits and most people don't hear about any problems. On the other hand any little glitch from Microsoft and everyone knows about it.

[pimento]

Given the foofaraw over the antenna debacle, it seems any little glitch from Apple will be blown way up too. People are used to hating on MS, so that's their default reaction to things. Apple's not there yet, but if things keep going as they are they might find themselves there. See: Google.

[clutch-monkey]

heheh.

[wwgkd]

My friends mom just bought an iPhone4 because her friend bought an iPad and they sort of have a rivalry going. She hates bumpers so she never put it on, then immediately went back to the store and complained that her phone wasn't working. She returned the phone when she heard why you need the bumper, so apparently she hadn't heard about this whole mess. She also won't talk about it so I'm getting absolutely no info out of her on the subject.

[randywayne]

I was too planning to get the new i phone 4 but when i heard that its having some problem.I didn't purchase it.