The Citroen DS5

[thebrochureman]

So what do you guys think about the DS5. It a glims of citreon being posh and i think they have done a realy good job. I realy like it, i love the look and the inside look realy well set out and very posh and i think the inside compeates with Audi's.

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Here some info from "netcarshow"

Citroën has revealed the eagerly anticipated third model in its innovative and distinctive DS line: Citroën DS5. Designed to express the full extent of Citroën's 'Créative Technologie', Citroën DS5 combines ground-breaking style, rewarding driving dynamics and exceptional refinement with innovative engineering solutions.
Citroën DS5 is the first Citroën model to feature HYbrid4 diesel hybrid technology, providing enhanced performance and class leading environmental credentials. The advanced HYbrid4 system delivers 200bhp; four-wheel drive capability; emission-free electric power for the city; and an acceleration boost function for the open road - with total CO2 emissions of just 99g/km.
The DS line has already redefined expectations in the supermini segment with DS3, and combines the style of a coupé and the flexibility of a five-door hatchback with DS4. Progressing to the executive segment, Citroën DS5 targets customers looking for a truly bold and assertive car with a resolutely modern approach to vehicle design.
Based on the futuristic and magical C-SportLounge concept, DS5 bringstrue technological innovation to its class.
The dynamic exterior reflects a modern expression of status and promises enhanced driving pleasure. Flowing lines, a sleek profile and muscular wheel arches - which wrap themselves around the large (16" to 19") alloy wheels - give Citroën DS5 an undoubted air of refined confidence.

The assertive front end instantly identifies Citroën DS5 as a member of the DS family. There is an oversized air intake, a large chrome-finished grille housing the chevrons and a new LED light signature. A distinguishing feature, DS5 boasts chrome-finished 'sabre' inserts stretching from the top of each headlamp to the windscreen.
The rear design takes Citroën DS5's on-road presence to yet another level. The car stands firmly on wide tracks, emphasised by two tail pipes built into the rear bumper and highlighted by a rear signature featuring six light guides.
Citroën DS5 is equally charismatic inside, with a remarkable cabin fully consistent with the exterior styling. The driver-focused cockpit features a coupé-like driving position with a near-vertical steering wheel and a wide central console. Citroën DS5 instantly fires the imagination. An array of buttons, switches, scroll wheels and toggles are grouped on two central consoles, one low down and one above the driver's head, 'pilot-style'. A simple push on the START button brings the interior to life. The colour Head-Up Display projects essential information into the driver's line of sight and the ambient lighting bathes the cockpit in a heady mix of red and white.
Most importantly, Citroën DS5 benefits from Citroën's expertise in quality and refinement. Each detail has been carefully considered, with premium materials such as fine-grain Club leather and exclusive designs like the 'watchstrap' seat upholstery - a signature touch of the DS line that is unique to the market.
Reconciling fun at the wheel with comfort and practicality, Citroën DS5 opens up new horizons with pioneering architecture, including:

A sleek, compact body (4.52m long, 1.85m wide) and a driving position worthy of a Gran Turismo coupé.
A roomy boot (up to 465 litres VDA) reminiscent of a Sportwagon.
Five real seats, four doors and all the access and modularity of a hatchback.
For its motor show debut in Shanghai, DS5 appears in a one-off livery as the Citroën DS5 White Pearl. The cabin features ebony-coloured full-grain leather, contrasting subtly with silver-flecked overstitching. Interior detailing includes decorative inserts in Markassa ebony and a highly reflective fascia, created by applying several layers of lacquer. Citroën DS5 White Pearl also sports specially designed 20-inch alloy wheels

http://www.netcarshow.com/citroen/2012-ds5/

[Ferrer]

It needs the V6 diesel. Or the old V6 petrol (do they still make it...?).

I like the concept. I hope roadholding is up to the promise.

[Brix]

If this really is the new DS5, then the C5 will be a hatch-back style car!?
No more classic sedans from Citroen.

[thebrochureman]

It needs the V6 diesel. Or the old V6 petrol (do they still make it...?).

I like the concept. I hope roadholding is up to the promise.

Yes i agree, It look great so let hope the engine and roadholding is a good, it would be a shame if they let it down.

[F1GTRUeno]

I don't get where it fits into their range?

[henk4]

It needs the V6 diesel. Or the old V6 petrol (do they still make it...?).

I like the concept. I hope roadholding is up to the promise.

it needs a proper suspension system...

[Ferrer]

Surely, it'll have the option at least.

Or is it based on the C4 platform?

[henk4]

Surely, it'll have the option at least.

Or is it based on the C4 platform?

Peugeot 5008 platform....:mad:

[Ferrer]

Oh, sad.

Still I'd like to give it a try.

[ruim20]

Peugeot 5008 platform....:mad:

You can see that inside, althought it's like a much improved inside.

[thebrochureman]

I read that the pug 5008 quite good at cornering for what it is and it has litle body role. I don't think that it's such a bad thing that the DS5 shaires it's platform.

[Cyco]

The only bad thing being that the ride will be too harsh, and it will not have the comfort it should have, being a big Citroen.

[henk4]

I read that the pug 5008 quite good at cornering for what it is and it has litle body role. I don't think that it's such a bad thing that the DS5 shaires it's platform.

once you have experienced a real Citroen I think your judgement will change significantly.

[Commodore GS/E]

If this really is the new DS5, then the C5 will be a hatch-back style car!?
No more classic sedans from Citroen.

Have they aver built a classic sedan? Most of their cars were hatchbacks...

I have high hopes for this one. Citroen should better not screw up.
Still waiting for a SM sucessor, though. Bring on the DS6.

[thebrochureman]

once you have experienced a real Citroen I think your judgement will change significantly.

I know the Citroens are very very good ride, but i've read some reviews about the DS5 and they said the ride is not too much of a problem. Also it a DS Citroen, DS Citroens are meant to be a bit more sporty so the ride will be a bit more hard being more sporty, but i do know what you mean about other citroens being a much better ride.

[Ferrer]

So, two of the DSs are high riding cars and they are suposed to be sporty?

Also whenever a car maker is talking about a sporty ride, you know what that means. A pointlessly stiff suspension.

That this may be happening at Citroën is definite proof that the automotive world has been mad.

[f6fhellcat13]

I know the Citroens are very very good ride, but i've read some reviews about the DS5 and they said the ride is not too much of a problem. Also it a DS Citroen, DS Citroens are meant to be a bit more sporty so the ride will be a bit more hard being more sporty, but i do know what you mean about other citroens being a much better ride.

Call me old fashioned, but when I hear "Citroën" and "DS" I think of driving along on hydropneumatic pillows.

[Ferrer]

Yeah, well that would be if in the meantime something called marketing hadn't been invented...

[f6fhellcat13]

Well, because we don't get the modern DSs here, and I have seen some old ones on the road, I will just stick my fingers in my ears and bury my head in the sand.

[henk4]

Yeah, well that would be if in the meantime something called marketing hadn't been invented...

the machinery has been started by Peugeot, in order to ultimately get rid of the hydro suspension......the cheaper C5 versions are already fitted with iron springs....the remainder (more expensive versions fo the C5 and the C6) is to follow within, let me bet, ten years from now.

[Ferrer]

These days even Suabrus look like Toyotas and Alfa Romeos are little more than rebadged Fiats.

What's next, front wheel drive BMWs?

Oh, wait...

[henk4]

These days even Suabrus look like Toyotas and Alfa Romeos are little more than rebadged Fiats.

What's next, front wheel drive BMWs?

Oh, wait...

as long as we won't get RWD Citroens that's fine with me :)

[5150]

Call me old fashioned, but when I hear "Citroën" and "DS" I think of driving along on hydropneumatic pillows.

I think of the Citroen Burt Reynolds stole in the movie"The Longest Yard" pretty good car chase to.

[Brix]

Have they aver built a classic sedan? Most of their cars were hatchbacks...
well the Xantia, and first generation C5 had a styling which could indicate it was a sedan.. (i know they where hatchbacks/berline).

But the 5008 platform isn't that bad!?, if it's modified right to the DS5, it could be good. Of course nothing like the goddess, but i don't think we will ever see anything like that again.

[thebrochureman]

^^^ I think Citroen are trying to be more sporty these days, trying to apeal to a wider range of people. I think their trying to be cool, i think thing they have shown they can when it comes down to the DS3. Also the DS5 will be compeating with the BMW 3 GT som maybe that's got something to do with it.

I rember Citroen made a big car with good surspention like the old Citroen's a year or two ago and a reveiw i read said it was great car. I don't think it sold as well as they hoped it would, mabe the market don't whant them as much as they did with the old Citroens with good surspention? i don't know, Mabe Citreon is trying somthing new.

[csl177]

FTFY:

I remember Citroen made a big car with good suspension like the old Citroens a year or two ago and a review I read said it was great car. I don't think it sold as well as they hoped it would, maybe the market doesn't want them as much as they did with the old Citroens with good suspension? I don't know, maybe Citroen is trying something new.

No, just the opposite. They are producing bland product with the same technology every other manufacturer employs.

[thebrochureman]

^^^ Mabe they use the same technology every other manufacturer employs because they want to compeat with them, and when i said cool i said trying to be cool. I think the DS3 is cool, infact very cool.

[Ferrer]

No, just the opposite. They are producing bland product with the same technology every other manufacturer employs.
And they are pillaging some heritage with names.

The perfect 21st century car, them.
^^^ Mabe they use the same technology every other manufacturer employs because they want to compeat with them, and when i said cool i said trying to be cool. I think the DS3 is cool, infact very cool.
Shame it's been infected by the silly DRL led trend.

[Commodore GS/E]

And they are pillaging some heritage with names.

The perfect 21st century car, them.

Shame it's been infected by the silly DRL led trend.

Nobody will stop this madness because it's backed up by science.
Seems like the science trolls have finally found their home.

[Ferrer]

Yup, but there's nicely integrated, well designed led DRLs.

And then there are those of the DS3.

[Commodore GS/E]

Yup, but there's nicely integrated, well designed led DRLs.

And then there are those of the DS3.

...designed by those who want to have christmas every day. Yay.

[Clivey]

the machinery has been started by Peugeot, in order to ultimately get rid of the hydro suspension......the cheaper C5 versions are already fitted with iron springs....the remainder (more expensive versions fo the C5 and the C6) is to follow within, let me bet, ten years from now.

:( I hope not!

- I wish they'd made an upmarket version of the original C4 with hydropneumatic suspension. The C4 was Citroen's turning point (for the better) for me, but now it seems they're falling back down a slippery slope back into blandness and mediocrity (e.g the new C4).

I had a sit in one of these new DS5s last week. It has a nice interior (but what happened to the fixed-hub steering wheel? :mad: ) though in reality it's just a blinged-up box: Gloss aside, it's nothing special.

[NSXType-R]

Perhaps a fixed hub steering wheel is difficult to package all those buttons, switches, knobs and the air bag.

[henk4]

:( I hope not!

- I wish they'd made an upmarket version of the original C4 with hydropneumatic suspension. The C4 was Citroen's turning point (for the better) for me, but now it seems they're falling back down a slippery slope back into blandness and mediocrity (e.g the new C4).

I had a sit in one of these new DS5s last week. It has a nice interior (but what happened to the fixed-hub steering wheel? :mad: ) though in reality it's just a blinged-up box: Gloss aside, it's nothing special.

In Geneva they explained to me that a hydropneumatically sprung DS5 would be more expensive, heavier and more importantly, there appears to be no space for the system, which sounds very strange, given the fact that the little GS from way back when, could allocate the system.

I had a very brief ride (two laps in a park) in Geneva in 200 BHP Hybrid diesel version, which takes off using the electric motors and the diesel sets in when accelerating. With 99 gram per km, this really seems to be an attractive option.

Last friday I took a 1.6 Hdi for a longer trip. The most positive thing were the seats, the interior does not please me, it is far too busy, with things I would never use. (even in my current C5 there are a row of buttons of which I have no idea what they are meant for, but there does not seem to be a need for that knowledge. When things start with "menu" I have already left the building:)).
I could not detect a way to change the volume of the radio, a simple round knob which can be turned, is something of the past I suppose. The rev counter is not a dial, but a row of red little blocks. No use at all. What is wrong with classic dialls? The rims around the airco buttons, which can be turned show a very flimsy and loose fit. (this was the case also with DS5s I sat in in Genevea) If Citroen wants a premium image, this is a thing that they could improve on.
The car I drove had the robotic manual gearbox, which lets the engine brake, when you shift up, especially when using the "manual" position and the flippers.

And yes, I came to the dealer to bring the C5 to change the wintertyres and the road to the dealership is not the best one. The C5 observes and negotiated those disturbances with great aplomb, while the DS5 jumped up and down. No need for me to consider the DS5 as a future car. But it seems to look nice and drives well, as the journos make us want to believe.

[Clivey]

Perhaps a fixed hub steering wheel is difficult to package all those buttons, switches, knobs and the air bag.

You've obviously not seen the one in the C5. ;) (It works really well - even better than the "mark 1" version as fitted to my car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_hKqjpmgCo

In Geneva they explained to me that a hydropneumatically sprung DS5 would be more expensive, heavier and more importantly, there appears to be no space for the system, which sounds very strange, given the fact that the little GS from way back when, could allocate the system.

I had a very brief ride (two laps in a park) in Geneva in 200 BHP Hybrid diesel version, which takes off using the electric motors and the diesel sets in when accelerating. With 99 gram per km, this really seems to be an attractive option.

Last friday I took a 1.6 Hdi for a longer trip. The most positive thing were the seats, the interior does not please me, it is far too busy, with things I would never use. (even in my current C5 there are a row of buttons of which I have no idea what they are meant for, but there does not seem to be a need for that knowledge. When things start with "menu" I have already left the building:)).
I could not detect a way to change the volume of the radio, a simple round knob which can be turned, is something of the past I suppose. The rev counter is not a dial, but a row of red little blocks. No use at all. What is wrong with classic dialls? The rims around the airco buttons, which can be turned show a very flimsy and loose fit. (this was the case also with DS5s I sat in in Genevea) If Citroen wants a premium image, this is a thing that they could improve on.
The car I drove had the robotic manual gearbox, which lets the engine brake, when you shift up, especially when using the "manual" position and the flippers.

And yes, I came to the dealer to bring the C5 to change the wintertyres and the road to the dealership is not the best one. The C5 observes and negotiated those disturbances with great aplomb, while the DS5 jumped up and down. No need for me to consider the DS5 as a future car. But it seems to look nice and drives well, as the journos make us want to believe.

:D Being a computer engineer, I'm naturally at home in a cockpit that resembles 'The Enterprise'. (Volume controls are on the steering wheel BTW - you don't need to take your eyes off the road). But with regards to the suspension: If they couldn't use the Hydractive system, they shouldn't have used this platform.

If I'm buying a big Citroën, the interior and ride are the most important things - I'd take a C5 over this. The Evo review hit the mark IMO.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/274024/driven_new_citroen_ds5_16_thp_200.html

[henk4]

:D Being a computer engineer, I'm naturally at home in a cockpit that resembles 'The Enterprise'. (Volume controls are on the steering wheel BTW - you don't need to take your eyes off the road). But with regards to the suspension: If they couldn't use the Hydractive system, they shouldn't have used this platform.

If I'm buying a big Citroën, the interior and ride are the most important things - I'd take a C5 over this. The Evo review hit the mark IMO.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/274024/driven_new_citroen_ds5_16_thp_200.html

My C5 has volume controls on a stick at the wheel, however I instinctively use the turning switch in the console for the volume control, which is also the on-off switch....I keep my eyes on the road in the process.

And yes, they should have based the DS5 on the C5 platform.

Edit: and I forgot to mention that the rear view is very akward, because of the spoiler dividing the rear window. If they had simply closed the transparent space above the spoiler, the view would be far less irritating in my opinion.