Corvette Z06, or Dodge Viper SRT-10? [Archive]

CdocZ

08-18-2004, 10:29 AM

this is something im very surprised about, most of my friends are cosnantly arguing over this. since you guys are even more of car fanatics then them, id like to know what truelly car-acknowledged people think about this.

SIMPLETON

08-18-2004, 10:34 AM

Just wait till the C6 Z comes out. Hold on to your hard-hats Dodge!

EDIT: sorry for sounding abit like a fanboy there.Its only 12:24 am here and I'm not creative till 4pm

more-boost1555

08-18-2004, 11:59 AM

Chinky_boi

08-18-2004, 12:18 PM

Both cars are great and both cars were made to compete. The viper has been ahead for many years but now, When the c6 zo6 comes out. The corvette will take the lead unless the viper comes out with a more powerful version. Which is highly undoubtful.

F1_Master

08-18-2004, 12:20 PM

Truck engine? I DON'T THINK SO!

I think you mean the Viper engine in the truck. Ram SRT-10.

The SRT-10 without a doubt is faster than even the new C6. I've always been a Viper guy. The Vette is cool, but the Viper is a true sports car.

Smokescreen

08-18-2004, 12:25 PM

No, the viper engine is a truck engine. When it came out in '92, the engine came from a Ram Concept from a few years earlier. It's a Le Man winning truck engine, but a truck engine none the less. Then again GM small blocks have been in trucks too.........

Matra et Alpine

08-18-2004, 12:25 PM

Truck engine? I DON'T THINK SO!
Yes, the original Viper engine was based on a cast-iron truck engine.
It was to Lamborghini to develop an alloy version of the block for the car.
So it's true and not quite true :)
[QUOTE}I think you mean the Viper engine in the truck. Ram SRT-10.[/QUOTE]
That came a long time after :)

MrVette83

08-18-2004, 12:37 PM

[QUOTE}I think you mean the Viper engine in the truck. Ram SRT-10; That came a long time after :)

What goes around comes around. ;)

I'm going with the Vette also(wow, no one saw that coming). The comment has been made that when the C6 Z06 comes out it will then compete with the Viper, Autoweek did a test in 2001(I know I've cited this before, sorry to re-hash) pitting the Corvette Z06(385hp), Mustang Cobra R(385hp, ironically, another truck engine here), and the Viper GTS-ACR(485hp). I am unsure as to what track they tested this at but the Vette came in first beating the Cobra R by 1 second per lap and the GTS-ACR by two. As you can see, they've already been close for a while, and I'm salivating waiting for the upcoming debut of the C6 Z06 at Detroit.

car_fiend

08-18-2004, 02:16 PM

personally i love corvettes, i was never a viper fan. and now, the viper has gotten old with the looks getting worse. sry 2 say, but the engine is a POS. n e can build a huge 467 cid engine, and put it in a car. the corvette on the other hand has heritage and will always b my fav.

thinker

08-18-2004, 02:31 PM

There is an exhaust sound clip on this page (http://www.dodge.com/viper/index.html?context=homepage_flash&type=vehicleNav). click under the picture for the interactive site and it'll have the exhaust sound. You can decide whether that sounds like a truck engine or a supercar. It doesn't sound too bad to me.

F1_Master

08-18-2004, 02:33 PM

Alright,m I get it. Jeez, don't nag me on it. But still that truck engine still pushes more than the new C6.

Tisk Tisk Chevrolet.

bigkyy464

08-18-2004, 02:37 PM

personally id go with the ZO6..i jus cant wait till the blue devil corvette ;) (they better make it)

Slicks

08-18-2004, 02:52 PM

It all depends on what your looking for in a car. The Viper is more brute, stiffer suspension, less sound dampering material ect. The Z06 is more of a daily driver, and less brutal. Personally i would pick the Z06, for me its all around better. Drivability on the road, great gas milage for a 12 second car, and has active handling for the more inexperienced drivers, and for saftey precasuions. Not only that but is 30K USD cheaper than a Viper and can still take one on the track....

Slicks

08-18-2004, 02:55 PM

The Viper is such a brutish contrived piece of crap...especially the new ones.

I know lets shove a freakin 8 liter truck engine in something and call it a sports car!

Wait we need more power....better increase displacement! 8.3 sounds right!

I have respect for the old Vipers cause they really were just pure unbrideled power, with a bad ass look to go with it.

The new ones are so feminine looking, it turns me off big time.

Jeeze, what about the 10L boss Mustang? Would you call that a sports car?

Theres nothing wrong with large displacement, thats one reason many Viper owners buy the car, for the "huge" V10.

taz_rocks_miami

08-18-2004, 02:56 PM

I'll go with the Z06, I've heard that the Viper is quite an unforgiving car in the corners. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

Taz.

johnnynumfiv

08-18-2004, 03:01 PM

10l boss mustang? I dont think there is a 610 ci in a production car.

I'd go with the corvette z06, for the performance and styling.

Viper007

08-18-2004, 04:02 PM

Alright I'll settle this one because after all my name is viper right? Well, I personally would buy a corvette Z06 and take the extra money i had and take it to Lingenfelter. After doing this, I would go looking for some viper owners on the street so i could do some harm to their ego. Hehehe. . . even I would get the vette. I also wonder what lingenfleter will do to the Blue Devil if it comes out.

MrVette83

08-18-2004, 07:13 PM

Alright,m I get it. Jeez, don't nag me on it. But still that truck engine still pushes more than the new C6.

Tisk Tisk Chevrolet.

I would hope a 8.3L would push more than a 6.0. If you break down to HP/L the the Viper(@60.24) would only be creating 361.45HP in 6.0L form, whereas the Vette(@66.66) would be creating 553.33HP as an 8.3L. Granted, each car makes 50HP per cylinder. You say tisk tisk Chevrolet, I say tisk tisk Dodge, anyone can take an engine and make it big and make big horsepower(no replacement for displacement holds true still) but in todays day and age this theory is not at all the best way to go.

Just my two cents.

MrVette83

08-18-2004, 07:37 PM

10l boss mustang?.

Concept back in the 96-98 Body style.

Slicks

08-18-2004, 07:39 PM

10l boss mustang? I dont think there is a 610 ci in a production car.

I'd go with the corvette z06, for the performance and styling.
It wasnt a production car...
http://www.fast-autos.net/ford/fordbossmustang.html

johnnynumfiv

08-18-2004, 08:18 PM

My bad, that should definetly be considered a sports car, what else would it be?

lithuanianmafia

08-18-2004, 09:11 PM

Z06, no question about it :D

CdocZ

08-18-2004, 11:25 PM

ok.........um......sorry, but i really didnt get what i was lookin for....zo6, the old one, not the new one, i dont care about the new one. um yeah.......also, truck engine or not, explain the 40 year muscle car period. i dont mean to say the corvette is a bad car, i really love corvettes.....dont get worked up about it tho, i really do love both.......thanx tho, but from now on........please.....old zo6, vs dodge viper srt-10, no more about new corvettes or old corvettes or the old vipers, just those 2

taz_rocks_miami

08-19-2004, 12:30 AM

ok.........um......sorry, but i really didnt get what i was lookin for....zo6, the old one, not the new one, i dont care about the new one.

How can you not care about the new Z06, it's not even out for sale yet? Or are you talking about the old (C5) and the new (C6)? Which is on sale now.

Taz.

Slicks

08-19-2004, 04:19 AM

thinker

08-19-2004, 10:25 AM

The topic of this thread is: Corvette C5 zo6 vs. Dodge Viper srt-10

F1_Master

08-19-2004, 03:57 PM

I would hope a 8.3L would push more than a 6.0. If you break down to HP/L the the Viper(@60.24) would only be creating 361.45HP in 6.0L form, whereas the Vette(@66.66) would be creating 553.33HP as an 8.3L. Granted, each car makes 50HP per cylinder. You say tisk tisk Chevrolet, I say tisk tisk Dodge, anyone can take an engine and make it big and make big horsepower(no replacement for displacement holds true still) but in todays day and age this theory is not at all the best way to go.

Just my two cents.

But really, if the Corvette is pushing 553.33HP, and the new Viper 361.54HP, then I would think the Corvette pushes more than the Viper which runs on a truck engine.
Oh well, I still say tisk tisk.

johnnynumfiv

08-19-2004, 04:11 PM

But really, if the Corvette is pushing 553.33HP, and the new Viper 361.54HP, then I would think the Corvette pushes more than the Viper which runs on a truck engine.
Oh well, I still say tisk tisk.

Are you high? Have you read anything in this thread, the viper doesn't have a truck engine anymore, and mr vette was comparing what the hp would be if the cars had the other's engine but same hp/l ratio.

F1_Master

08-19-2004, 04:13 PM

I'm talking about when IT HAD one, sry if I didn't put that in.

Slicks

08-19-2004, 06:37 PM

I'm talking about when IT HAD one, sry if I didn't put that in.
It never truly HAD a truck engine, it was just the block.

CdocZ

08-19-2004, 06:49 PM

ok, thanx for getting back onto what i need........but.....i still havent heard many reasons to actually go with the vette........mostly reasons to love or hate the viper. please, all i need is a few more reasons for/against the vette, for my friends to hear......and no more about other cars/upgraded cars.......a standard c5 z06 corvette vs a standard srt-10 viper. i dont care about price either, just what they are capable of

taz_rocks_miami

08-19-2004, 08:18 PM

I imagine that the new Z06 will be the hard top again just like the current Z06, as far as I know, current Viper doesn't have any kind of top available. So it's basically a "sunny day" car only, but you can drive the Z06 in the rain and not get wet.

Taz.

scubasteve87

08-20-2004, 01:45 PM

OK, here is the relevant answer you've been looking for. The C5 Z06 will get smoked in a drag race with the viper, if that's what you care about, the viper wins. On a road course, I do believe the more well-balanced and rigid Z06 would win, so if turns are your bag, go vette. For a daily driver, from what I understand, the Vette is easily a daily driver, whilst the hot side exhaust viper is not so much. Hope I've been helpful.

F1_Master

08-20-2004, 01:51 PM

It never truly HAD a truck engine, it was just the block.

If it had just the block, then why do I keep hearing it had a truck engine.

Slicks

08-20-2004, 02:31 PM

If it had just the block, then why do I keep hearing it had a truck engine.
Because look who your hearing it from...People bashing on the Viper, or people who are simply biased.

Matra et Alpine

08-20-2004, 02:43 PM

If it had just the block, then why do I keep hearing it had a truck engine.
Bias.

Yes the dimensions came from a truck engine, but the block was developed and mnaufactured by Lamborghini. To call it a truck engine is like calling a Lotus Climax a water pump ( the original Coventry engine company manufactured lightweight waterpumps for the fire service in the UK )

johnnynumfiv

08-20-2004, 03:02 PM

F1, did you know the ford gt has the same block as the ford lightening, that doesn't mean that they are the same engine.

MustangGT

06-07-2005, 06:58 PM

The 10L Mustang he is referring to is actually the 1994 Boss 429 Concept Mustang. It started out with a '94 Mustang Body, and a newer version of the Boss 429 Engine. Engine displacement ended up at 630ci. The car is a concept and was never intended for production.

As For the Viper vs. Corvette thing, Im gonna stay out of it because i prefer a much more practical Mustang to both of these cars.

aNOBLEman

06-07-2005, 07:13 PM

The Mustang is only cheaper. As many people have said before the Corvette is a good daily driver and has a good (not huge) sized trunk therefore it is actually quite practical (unless you have kids).

F1_Master

06-08-2005, 12:19 AM

F1, did you know the ford gt has the same block as the ford lightening, that doesn't mean that they are the same engine.
Ah ok...

Sorry, I'm :confused: when it comes to talking engine blocks.

My apologies.

zeta

06-08-2005, 05:15 PM

Matra et Alpine

06-08-2005, 05:26 PM

Matra,

Do you have any site linking evidence that the Vipers block was made by Lambo?, because I never heard of this. The Original Viper was a 8.0L and was bumped up to 8.3 in recent years.
Oh, and the z06 is better, in my opinion.
You realise a simple google on viper lamborghini and engine woudl turn up dozens :)
http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5Xa3jKdCiXEANDHrSKMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdmM3bGl xBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=11sd78tbf/EXP=1118363191/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Viper

GT F1

06-08-2005, 07:57 PM

The Z06, hands down.

250 GTO

06-08-2005, 08:46 PM

Dodge viper any day :D :D

megotmea7

06-09-2005, 10:25 AM

You realise a simple google on viper lamborghini and engine woudl turn up dozens :)
http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5Xa3jKdCiXEANDHrSKMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdmM3bGl xBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=11sd78tbf/EXP=1118363191/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Viper

chrysler originaly intended the motor to be built by lamborghini, but halfway thru the project was canceled suposedly due to cost and other factors. and the motor that finally made production was one designed and built by dodges PVO team. the original motor was beased off of the V10 used in dodges trucks but after the lamorghini's try at the project dodge built a dedicated motor with some simularities to the original engine. but basically, its not a dodge truck motor powering the viper...

balenopower

06-09-2005, 12:32 PM

viper power for me.....:)

Viper007

06-09-2005, 01:00 PM

The Z06 doesnt stand a chance in the snake pit territory.

CdocZ

06-09-2005, 01:52 PM

The Z06 doesnt stand a chance in the snake pit territory.

I dunno........and hey, I am quite a Viper fan, but.....this is just not going to be good for the Viper. Not at all.......

Quiggs

06-09-2005, 01:52 PM

The Z06 doesnt stand a chance in the snake pit territory.
I'm inclined to disagree.

aNOBLEman

06-09-2005, 07:34 PM

I'm inclined to disagree.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

zeta

06-09-2005, 07:55 PM

So it goes when Chysler owned Lamborgini, before (VAG) VW group, they sent the truck motor to be revamped and aluminiumized. I got the impression that Lambo made the it for them.

Viper007

06-09-2005, 09:19 PM

I know im just to hardcore of a viper fan to admit the z06 may beat it

pAinTrAin

06-11-2005, 07:44 AM

Just wait till the C6 Z comes out. Hold on to your hard-hats Dodge!

That would be the Z06 :D

Or 427 as its nicknamed by some mag.

I'll go with the Z06, I've heard that the Viper is quite an unforgiving car in the corners. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

Taz.

Well IO would say that after watching some move before with the Viper GTS and a Ferrari 355 racing around Deadmans Road and at the end of the video the viper goes off a 100 foot drop...

Viper007

06-21-2005, 07:17 AM

Well seeing as how that a viper did not have ABS and locked his brakes, he skidded off of the mountain. Driver's error

nirvesh

06-21-2005, 11:05 AM

nirvesh

06-21-2005, 11:08 AM

viper is hott but i think the new viper concept is 1 hott ride only they should put some suspensions in it and make it more reliable for the owner to drive in the road and feel safe. but the car is hott

nirvesh

06-21-2005, 11:09 AM

That would be the Z06 :D

Or 427 as its nicknamed by some mag.

Well IO would say that after watching some move before with the Viper GTS and a Ferrari 355 racing around Deadmans Road and at the end of the video the viper goes off a 100 foot drop...

that is true

CdocZ

06-24-2005, 02:19 PM

oakey i think it's good but wat do you think?

I think the Z06 is proving that America does indeed have some remarkable high-end engineering capabilities remaining in the automotive sector. I mean.....look at how advanced this car is! I love Viper's......but Viper loses this round for sure.

aNOBLEman

06-24-2005, 05:56 PM

I think the Z06 is proving that America does indeed have some remarkable high-end engineering capabilities remaining in the automotive sector. I mean.....look at how advanced this car is! I love Viper's......but Viper loses this round for sure.

I haven't seen you on here in a while. I agree with that except that I love Corvettes and only like Vipers.

CdocZ

06-25-2005, 10:54 AM

I haven't seen you on here in a while. I agree with that except that I love Corvettes and only like Vipers.

Heheheh, well, I've been converted with the new C6 and Z06. Such a great example. Corvette is God. I still love Viper's though....such brutally basic cars.

Like I said awhile ago, I'm losing my extra time. I try to post, but as you mentioned, I haven't been able to do much.

MOPAR KICKS ASS

09-23-2005, 12:39 PM

have you heard of a 800hp viper and if you have good for ya so VIPER-SRT10 HAS MY VOTE

CdocZ

09-23-2005, 02:43 PM

have you heard of a 800hp viper and if you have good for ya so VIPER-SRT10 HAS MY VOTE

Thats tuned, not stock. When comparing two factory made stock cars, you tend to only compare factory offered stock versions of those cars, and not what you can do with the car after you get it.

EDIT: Either way, the only time a Lingenfelter would lose in any way shape or form against the Venom, that is not opinion oriented, is in the 1/4 mile.

ska57

09-23-2005, 04:26 PM

When comparing the C6 Z06 Corvette and the SRT-10, the Vette wins hands down. Now, don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE Vipers and I'm crazy about the Corvette at the same time but, for about the same power (just 5hp difference) and with the Vette being faster and lighter as well as gets better fuel economy and I think corners the same as a Viper...the Z06 would be my buy. And for $65,000 compared to $85,000 -- why not?

RJ 21

09-24-2005, 10:03 AM

Plus, it's a 7L V8 (Z06). Viper uses a V10 to get 5HP less? Chevy really did a phenomenal job this time.

chrisdoesntknow

10-13-2005, 02:22 AM

i would get a z06 corvette if i was talking stock here, but when it comes to special versions of the car i guess you could say, i'd take the hennessy venom 1000tt hands down. even lingenfleter couldn't do that to the vette ass well as hennessy did the venom.

rev440

10-13-2005, 01:32 PM

Ha you guys are stupid some time. Viper for me looks better. But if you gave me a C5 Z06 and 30 grand Id take it and make a race car. Im all about big stroker engines in the C5 like a 427.

The_Canuck

10-13-2005, 02:00 PM

as printed by motor trend:
Car:............... 0-60.....0-100..1/4 mile.....60-0
SRT10 coupe: 4.2 / / /9.4 / / /12.2 / / / /111ft
Corvette Z06: 3.5 / / /7.3/ / / /11.5 / / / /104ft

"now keep in mind these tests were on diff tracks, diff days and diff drivers." they also say

rev440

10-13-2005, 02:20 PM

Yeah i hate the new vette its ugly as hell.

chrisdoesntknow

10-13-2005, 04:41 PM

its really unfair to compare the C6 z06 to teh viper the more accurate comparison would be the C5 to the viper and then the C6 Z06 to the new viper thats due out soon.

SIMPLETON

10-13-2005, 05:43 PM

Why? Who cares? There both on the market at the same time and both in the same class, with one of them being built to rival the other. Besides waht advantage does the new Viper have over the old one? So what if it has 10 more hp (gasp), it weighs a bunch more.

chrisdoesntknow

10-13-2005, 05:56 PM

i'm just saying that you should compare the 2006 c6 Z06 with the 2006 Viper GTS coupe.

http://www.dodgeboy.net/news/2006vipergts/images/827074ViperSRT_Image01_jpg.jpg

its lighter than the predecessor, same weight, better braking, and a new 6 speed transmission. i'm not saying its neccessarily better, i'm just asking that you make a fair comparisson

P4g4nite

10-14-2005, 04:30 AM

I think the Z06 is proving that America does indeed have some remarkable high-end engineering capabilities remaining in the automotive sector. I mean.....look at how advanced this car is!
Give us a break.
It's a push-rod 2 valver with truck suspension.

Actually, I think many trucks don't even use leaf springs anymore.

I know it's fast, but that's what you should get from 7. litres (Americans may be de-sensitised to big cubes, but the rest of the world expects a heck of a lot from 7 litres)

rev440

10-14-2005, 07:53 AM

Just wait for the ACR that car eat any corvette.

RJ 21

10-16-2005, 01:38 PM

haha, what a bunch of Vette haters. The Vette is the best thing to come form America in a very long time. Accept it! There's no way LPE won't make this the best tuned car, btw. Lingenfelter will turn this Z06 into a total beast. And sure, it may be 7 liters, but do u know which two cars are the only ones over 400 HP that avoid the gass-guzzler tax? The C6 and the Z06. YEA!

CdocZ

10-16-2005, 01:51 PM

Best thing from America? What happened to the Mosler MT900's, the Saleen S7's, and the Ford GT's? The Vette might cost less, but personally, it might be a great performance car, with a little luxury thrown in....but I am starting to feel that it isn't good enough at either of them in the end, to make it worth the money over a British track racer or a German luxury roadster.

benzdriver101

10-17-2005, 06:06 AM

Around turns, the Viper has nothing on the Corvette! :)

deadly-phoenix

04-26-2006, 08:14 AM

:D :) i got with the corvette all the way.
corvette is the best.

CdocZ

04-27-2006, 07:49 AM

:D :) i got with the corvette all the way.
corvette is the best.

I have been looking through the "new posts" right now, as I am in study hall, and have nothing to do. I have 2 questions for you:
1. What makes the Vette "the best"? Is it the cars mix of ease-of-use, and sport? Or maybe its looks? Why does this car appeal to you? No one is going to be convinced that your argument there about the Vette being better - give reasons.
2. Was there a use of reviving EVERY single one of the Viper vs. Vette threads? And all that were Vette vs. anything it seems? I mean....you revived old threads to make an unsupported statement...usually its a good idea to have something new to add to the thread, when you revive it. It seems pretty logical to not revive a thread, if you don't really have anything to add - much less like, 5 threads. So, yeah, the shortcut to answering both of these questions - give a reason? I get curious when people do this, like, who knows, what if the person has something people don't really think about between these cars, and you want to voice it?