is it just me or are honda's underpowered?

[roosterjuicer]

Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer

Honda, and all other major Japanese manufacturers for that matter, can't really be criticised for that. They were bound by a "gentleman's agreement" to limit power to 280PS in all vehicles to avoid getting involved in some crazy power war.

that didn't stop toyota and mitsubshi from making 300+ hp supra's and 3000gt's.

[kingofthering]

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

that didn't stop toyota and mitsubshi from making 300+ hp supra's and 3000gt's.

...which were quoted as 276 HP.

[wwgkd]

Originally Posted by VtecMini

Underpowered by what definition? Unable to move their own mass? No, obviously not.

What do they require masses of power for? Are they part-time drag cars? Why exactly is more than 300bhp necessary in any saloon?

Are they underpowered? Or is everything else overpowered?

No such thing.

[macoran]

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

You know if you put too much power on a front wheel drive car, that it will torque steer like a motherf***er?

How did you ever get any car to torque steer in IDAHO?????

[coolieman1220]

BMW has had engines taht don't produce massive power but its where they put their power that makes them so nice. the power comes ubiquitously from throughout the powerband even though #'s are lower then others

[nightwind]

Originally Posted by johnnynumfiv

Uneven driveshafts/ suspension/ tires create torque steer, not the engine power.
For some more info:
Torque steering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the gearing makes up for it in hondas. The new civic Si has a 4.765 final drive. 0_o

Torque steer isn't due to engine power, true, but more power definitely magnifies it, more for FWD than RWD.

Anyway, it's the power to weight ratio as well that you have to consider. The Civic Type R isn't exactly what you'll call slow, and the S2000 still gets you from 0-60 in 6.2s

[Kiwieb]

Originally Posted by nightwind

Torque steer isn't due to engine power, true, but more power definitely magnifies it, more for FWD than RWD.

Anyway, it's the power to weight ratio as well that you have to consider. The Civic Type R isn't exactly what you'll call slow, and the S2000 still gets you from 0-60 in 6.2s

yeah, I agree mate and as the actress said to the bishop "...its not how big it is but what ya do with it"

try telling me a Mazda MX5 ain't a helluva lot of fun even though its power is miniscule and being RWD [as is the HONDA 2000] adds to its pleasure to drive

the HONDA 2000 with the extra power [2004 and later models also have a wider power band and more torque] gives it more get up and go. Couple that with outstanding and balanced handling and you have a car that is an absolute joy to drive

statistics and specs have their place as long as they underpin what happens when ya drive the thing

otherwise what's the point of it all?

[john14]

My Honda Civic is over a quarter of a century old (it's 26 years old) and it has about 60hp. However, it is still fun to drive and it has more than enough power for normal road driving.

[-What-]

Originally Posted by coolieman1220

BMW has had engines taht don't produce massive power but its where they put their power that makes them so nice. the power comes ubiquitously from throughout the powerband even though #'s are lower then others

BMW's power figures are very good. BMW has engines that are actually SUITABLE for luxury cars...with their V12's and V10's and V8's and twin-turbo 6's.

That economy JUNK that Honda throws in Acura just DOESN'T CUT IT. Don't compare BMW to Honda...BMW's are not underpowered.

[Slicks]

Originally Posted by nightwind

Torque steer isn't due to engine power, true, but more power definitely magnifies it, more for FWD than RWD.

Anyway, it's the power to weight ratio as well that you have to consider. The Civic Type R isn't exactly what you'll call slow,

Yes, it is...

and the S2000 still gets you from 0-60 in 6.2s

lol...

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by Slicks

Yes, it is...


lol...

Then probably they are underpowered by American standards. A Civic Type-R which does 0-100km/h in 6"6 seconds, has a top speed of 235km/h and costs 26.500€ is perfectly fine and quite fast.

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by Slicks

lol...

As expected
So to balance the silliness .... "AND it can go round corners"

[coolieman1220]

Originally Posted by -What-

BMW's power figures are very good. BMW has engines that are actually SUITABLE for luxury cars...with their V12's and V10's and V8's and twin-turbo 6's.

That economy JUNK that Honda throws in Acura just DOESN'T CUT IT. Don't compare BMW to Honda...BMW's are not underpowered.

i never called them underpowered. i said their power numbers aren't as high as competitors but their engines feel faster and nicer then the competitors. what i was saying was that Honda doesn't have that to them.

[Slicks]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Then probably they are underpowered by American standards. A Civic Type-R which does 0-100km/h in 6"6 seconds, has a top speed of 235km/h and costs 26.500€ is perfectly fine and quite fast.

So its a "performance car" with minivan like acceleration? Impressive!

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

As expected
So to balance the silliness .... "AND it can go round corners"

Its so easy to get you guys stirred up...

[The_Canuck]

Originally Posted by Slicks

So its a "performance car" with minivan like acceleration? Impressive!

What Minivan goes 0-60 in 6?