is it just me or are honda's underpowered?

[clutch-monkey]

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

of course they havent made the type R since the late 90's i believe. but it seems like now honda's are underpowered compared to their competition.

they were available in dealerships in 2006 still, in DC5 form

Originally Posted by Slicks

If you bother to read any of my posts you will see that I actually prefer handling to acceleration. But that does not mean I will sacrifice lots of acceleration for handling, mainly because I have to go completely out of my way to find some twisties.

slicks does have a point in that it's not very good to in a broad sense to compromise one ability completely in favour of the other

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

not in the US.

you guys got the targa versions only didn't you? or whatever the heaviest one was

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

Supercharged NSX's are still pretty slow. most of the kits ive seen add 60-100 horsepower. although i remember hearing about one that dyno's 400hp at the wheels. but either way, the story ends with you having to supercharge a 90,000 dollar car which and you still can barely keep up with a c5 z06 and you get beat by a c6 vette and owned by a z06.

not especially..stock NSX-r's can be competitive against LP640's, so long as the straight is not overly long

[h22a]

I'd still have an NSX-R over any Vette. Its always the same comparison Car X vs any corvette on the market. Who cares if chevy makes a cheap sportscar, so does HSV, FPV, caterham...man the list goes on. Why does it have to have in excess of 400hp to be a good sportcar, my subi has 227hp does 0-100 in 5.69 and would spank most supposed sports car ie. a C6 in less than ideal conditions.
The ITR is still questionably the best hot hatch on the market today, with its apparently measely 195hp. Given the right track the ITR will beat Evo's and Sti's and a host of other sports car that would probably boast HP twice that of the honda's.
Ayrton Senna + Honda = win
Honda = win

[kingofthering]

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

not in the US.

In Japan they were advertised as 276HP. In America, print ads labeled them as 300+HP. I had a Supra print ad from Car and Driver proclaiming 330ish or something like that, in the same way (to piss off Harddrivvin1e) that some musclecars were underrated.

[Slicks]

Originally Posted by h22a

I'd still have an NSX-R over any Vette. Its always the same comparison Car X vs any corvette on the market. Who cares if chevy makes a cheap sportscar, so does HSV, FPV, caterham...man the list goes on.

Awww is someone butt-hurt because people like different cars than you, and its then hard to justify what you like? (violin playing for you).
The common working man cares that GM builds an affordable (not just in MSRP, but in maintenance as well) sports car that can keep up with and beat much more expencive exotics.
HSV, FPV, and Caterham don't sell cars here (without registering them as kit cars), so its an apples to oranges comparison. We can buy a Corvette with a warranty, and be able to go to the local dealership or even autozone to pick up parts...

Why does it have to have in excess of 400hp to be a good sportcar, my subi has 227hp does 0-100 in 5.69 and would spank most supposed sports car ie. a C6 in less than ideal conditions.

It doesn't have to make 400+hp, it just cannot cost near the price of a house and still loose to much much more affordable cars(that are bone stock) in a strait line race or otherwise. I like and respect the NSX, and I know its not just built for "strait line speed", but is it too much to ask for it to be able to keep up with some of the cheaper cars?
Your Subajew (I love subajews BTW) might inch out on a C6 to 60mph in the rain, but after that it will fall on its face and all you will see are those 4 round taillights.

[kingofthering]

Originally Posted by Slicks

HSV, FPV, and Caterham don't sell cars here (without registering them as kit cars), so its an apples to oranges comparison. We can buy a Corvette with a warranty, and be able to go to the local dealership or even autozone to pick up parts...

ROCKY MOUNTAIN SPORTSCARS

I beg to differ....

[Turbo.Jenkens]

Originally Posted by Slicks

You need to do a little more research there kiddo. The Mustang weighs around 3900lbs, while the NSX is around 3000lbs...
Then take gearing, and obviously where the weight is located.
Really this whole argument is pretty sad, comparing a $30,000 muscle car to a $90,000 sports car, this is not by any means impressive.

It actually weighs less than 3700lbs, kiddo. If you compare the power to weight ratios its not too hard to deduce that the honda product puts power down better.

NSX .09 hp/lb
Cobra .11 hp/lb

Thats all I was stating, not which car is superior/better value.

Originally Posted by roosterjuicerwell

to me an exotic should have exotic power to go with the exotic price.

While < 300 hp doesn't exotic by todays standards if you consider that in 1990 (first year of the NSX) the Ferrari 348 made 300hp, 911 carrara 246hp, Corvette 250hp; it is easier to see why it is considered an exotic. If Honda had increased hp proportionately to its rivals over the subsequent 12 years would they have sold more cars? Probably so, but they didn't. The NSX is still very fast and very desirable.

[h22a]

slicks, your such a fanboy. im not even going to bother. The NSX set the benchmark for exotics. It has enough power, check youtube.
The vette is horn for the buck, dont get me wrong.

Subi - wet, gravel, snow, poor surfaced road....a bit of an all rounder slicks.
C6 - a quality surface - other than that, REX has your number

[Slicks]

Originally Posted by kingofthering

ROCKY MOUNTAIN SPORTSCARS

I beg to differ....

Those are road legal cars(that you don't have to register as a kit car) that pass emissions and crash test and come with a warranty?

[roosterjuicer]

Originally Posted by Niko_Fx

To each its own then I guess, I'm done arguing... At the end of the day I'll be taking home a true, handbuilt, unique sportscar and not a common-as-a-Honda-Civic with a Chevrolet Blazer interior car

And at the end of the track you'll be reading my liscence plate


someone mentioned earlier that when the nsx came out it was not under powered and i can definately agree with that. when the nsx came out it was an amazing car, it was fast, it was comfortable, and it was reliable at a time when exotic cars were known as finnicky. but honda never bothered keeping up with their competition and got left in the dust.

[Slicks]

Originally Posted by h22a

slicks, your such a fanboy. im not even going to bother. The NSX set the benchmark for exotics. It has enough power, check youtube.

Sig worthy...

Subi - wet, gravel, snow, poor surfaced road....a bit of an all rounder slicks.
C6 - a quality surface - other than that, REX has your number

The Subajew is a AWD rally car, the C6 is a sports car... Apples to oranges my friend. And you call me the fanboy

[Jack_Bauer]

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

someone mentioned earlier that when the nsx came out it was not under powered and i can definately agree with that. when the nsx came out it was an amazing car, it was fast, it was comfortable, and it was reliable at a time when exotic cars were known as finnicky. but honda never bothered keeping up with their competition and got left in the dust.

:Yawn:

How many times do you need to be told why they didn't/couldn't increase power?

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by Slicks

Those are road legal cars(that you don't have to register as a kit car) that pass emissions and crash test and come with a warranty?

Clutching at straws
Look on the site the guy provided ... there's even a Californian road one second-hand !!

[h22a]

Originally Posted by Slicks

Sig worthy...

The Subajew is a AWD rally car, the C6 is a sports car... Apples to oranges my friend. And you call me the fanboy

nar bro, the subi is a sports car. Im no fanboy coz i rep my own car
apples and apples there sanchez...

pffft, the subis not a sportscar. get of the junk slicks

[Cyco]

Originally Posted by Slicks

HSV, FPV, and Caterham don't sell cars here (without registering them as kit cars), so its an apples to oranges comparison. We can buy a Corvette with a warranty, and be able to go to the local dealership or even autozone to pick up parts...

Maybe you should tell GM this, they seem quite happy to sell you a HSV, so long as it has a uglified grill and a Pontiac badge....

[Niko_Fx]

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

And at the end of the track you'll be reading my liscence plate

I can live with that