Ford Or Holden???

[fpv_gtho]

i think they used to....

[Colty]

Well it would be leet, lets picture it, Ford and Holden vs "New Zealand brands here"
Just like the Wallabies vs The All Blacks

[fpv_gtho]

what i meant was there used to be like Ford, Holden, Toyota and Mitsubishi plants in NZ

[Colty]

What i meant was brands, designed and made in NZ

[dovoxr8]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

NO NO NO don't go there mate, Holden has worked hard for it's own ID And should be respected for it

Well i think many people get the wrog impresion on this.
Yes i think Holden should always remember that they ARE apart of GM.
Also Holden Shuv it in our face about how aussie they are.
When Holden (Chevrolet) first came here there car parts would fit on almost any chev car at the time!
And now they STILL do not make there own engines here.
Ford are the only car maker that have a v8 production line in Aus.
I think if you asked around many people would say Ford is more Aussie than Holden.
The trouble is if all the normal Fans found out just how yank they are they would think twice about how aussie Holden realy are.
(I think if you look in the records Ford Australia has been here longer)

[danno]

Originally Posted by dovoxr8

Well i think many people get the wrog impresion on this.
Yes i think Holden should always remember that they ARE apart of GM.
Also Holden Shuv it in our face about how aussie they are.
When Holden (Chevrolet) first came here there car parts would fit on almost any chev car at the time!
And now they STILL do not make there own engines here.
Ford are the only car maker that have a v8 production line in Aus.
I think if you asked around many people would say Ford is more Aussie than Holden.
The trouble is if all the normal Fans found out just how yank they are they would think twice about how aussie Holden realy are.
(I think if you look in the records Ford Australia has been here longer)

so how many parts (apart from the V8) are actually from the US?

[Falcon500]

depends on the model the driveline other then the diff is american(well gearbox is mexican)....all pannel stampings are australian as well as most structural parts and fascias where such basic things as oil filters are made in the uk....and most of the belts are spanish and the head lights are korean and alot of wireing is chinese and the paint is supplyed by PPG and the breaks are made by PBR did i miss anything?

As for ford im not totally shure (i dont work with them) but the headlights are German pannels are australian engine blocks are canadian and assembled here after a chemical bath here....but the reast are a mystery im shure the rest of its out sourced although it does have a higer australian content ive read.

[2ndclasscitizen]

um, the alloytec is built here and holden started out as Holden Body Builders, they would make Chev bodies for the drivetrains that were shipped out here

[Falcon500]

And holden didnt start building only chev they built them for ford and up to 8 other manufactuors probly some wich you have never heard of. and they pressed the steel bodys they usually built them onto the chassis...this was so the imported cars met a minimum local content!

[fpv_gtho]

The local content in a Falcon is about 80% according to Ford. That V8 production line of theirs is only an assembly line

[Falcon500]

I cant see why we dont get a plant they pull the all down and then build the to specifaction. this would put an end to that and also might make them cheaper (especially if we export them)

[fpv_gtho]

Well apparently theyve now cancelled the Hurricane 6.2L V8 project cause Ford Detroit thought a return to the big V8's was just a "fad". Personally i think theyve missed a big opportunity, whether its just a fad or not, theres a 6.1 Hemi out, a 6L LS2 and 7L LS7 out and a DOHC 6.2 would be able to match, if not better their power figures if tuned right. Apparently theres a fair amount of race spec parts in the LS7 for it to get that 500hp

[Falcon500]

An intresting aspect but there is no doubt the engine will still be produced in crate form....so thers no need for us to fret....also ford may save a packet through emissions....like them reuseing paint fumes as a grey energy source the epas happy because thier produceing the same waste but not adding to the strain on power plats...mazdas doing something similar with the friction welding on the rx8....so there may be more then meets the eye to that.....its funny people knocking decisions by companys when 9 times out of 10 there more then well ever know behind the decision....of course maybey im thinking outside the square too much....

but anyways if they misread this as a fad then thats a whole other bag but we can at least be rest assured their new engine will be built with this in mind.

[fpv_gtho]

Well the 5.4 was never the most popular for crate engines, their latest one was the 5L cammer and that only came about cause they could take the 2mm cast iron cylinder sleeves out of the 4.6 alloy block to give it the 94mm bore. The Hurricane was actually going to be a stretched block based on the 5.4, so you have to wonder if it wouldve truly remained a modular family of engines if the 5.4's getting stretched and the 4.6 isnt. If so, i guess the BOSS wouldve had to be killed off anyway cause frankly, the actual 4V heads designed for the 5.4 are pretty shit, apparently worse than the 3V heads available in a standard Falcon and the F-150's

[charged]

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

Well the 5.4 was never the most popular for crate engines, their latest one was the 5L cammer and that only came about cause they could take the 2mm cast iron cylinder sleeves out of the 4.6 alloy block to give it the 94mm bore. The Hurricane was actually going to be a stretched block based on the 5.4, so you have to wonder if it wouldve truly remained a modular family of engines if the 5.4's getting stretched and the 4.6 isnt. If so, i guess the BOSS wouldve had to be killed off anyway cause frankly, the actual 4V heads designed for the 5.4 are pretty shit, apparently worse than the 3V heads available in a standard Falcon and the F-150's

Whats this 5L cammer engine,is it dohc,sohc or ohv