Godzilla (as they call it) Vs whatever it seems

[kingofthering]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

Considering Nissan has a very limited experience in modern racing cars, since they raced only the R390 ten years ago and the old R34 GT-R until 2003 IIRC, it makes, if true, all the other manufacturers with more experience in high performance cars and racing simply stupids. Of course the development of such a good car as the R34 was is a good reference, but it seems just too much.

Aaah... that's where you're wrong. Nissan has been in touring car racing for a while now (50+ years), from the Prince Skyline/R380s to the Primera to the GT-R GT500 cars, Nissan has done almost everything.

[The_Canuck]

Originally Posted by kingofthering

Aaah... that's where you're wrong. Nissan has been in touring car racing for a while now (50+ years), from the Prince Skyline/R380s to the Primera to the GT-R GT500 cars, Nissan has done almost everything.

Thank you very much, unfortuanatly Leon said Modern racing cars. We all know of Nissan's prior experiance, but apart from the JGTC they are not in many (if any) other forms of competition at this point in time.

[clutch-monkey]

they raced the R32 GTR and the pulsar GTiR in the 90's quite a lot, the former in touring cars (when they actually used road cars) and the latter in rally.

[Rockefella]

I would consider Nissan on the bottom end of the manufacturers' racing experience spectrum. And yes, I know about the Skyline's success in the touring car series.

[clutch-monkey]

not to mention, they haven't had an exciting car since like....2002.
no the 350Z doesn't count.

[LeonOfTheDead]

it's like the Audi in the racing career of the R8. at the debut they impressed everyone since they hadn't experience in such a kind of race, but managed to end 3rd and 4th overall at the first attempting at 1999 24 Hours of Le Mans, but they didn't win or destroy all the records. Then the R8 actually won and destroyed all the records, but we must say the competition was a little...absent. Except for the Bentley (...almost the coupe version of the R8...) there wasn't an official presence of another manufacturer until 2007.
I could compare the presence of the GT-R in Nissan's offer to the 8C one in that of Alfa, even if I admit there are a lot of differences between them, but let me go on...
The 8C is the only high performance car in Alfa's line-up, the other most powerful engine is the 3.2 liter engine with 260 bhp on pretty "standard" cars. So you could be allowed to think that the 8C is rubbish, from the driving and performance point of view. But, it has been engineered, developed, and built by Maserati/Ferrari. Which have some experience in this kind of market.
While the GT-R is totally developed by Nissan, AFAIK, whit the restricted "pedigree" stated above, probably starting from the R34, a good car for sure, but also ten year old. They could have received some help by Renault which has a bigger experience in a lot of kind of racing series. But still, Renault has a very limited experience in high performance road cars.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by Rockefella

I would consider Nissan on the bottom end of the manufacturers' racing experience spectrum. And yes, I know about the Skyline's success in the touring car series.

but do you also know about the R88-89-90 Group C Cars?

[henk4]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

Which have some experience in this kind of market.
While the GT-R is totally developed by Nissan, AFAIK, whit the restricted "pedigree" stated above, probably starting from the R34, a good car for sure, but also ten year old. They could have received some help by Renault which has a bigger experience in a lot of kind of racing series. But still, Renault has a very limited experience in high performance road cars.

The "restricted pedigree" as you call it, started already in the sixties.....

[Ferrer]

So this has turned into a "the more racing pedigree the better" discussion?

Lamborghini must be hopeless then...

[henk4]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

So this has turned into a "the more racing pedigree the better" discussion?

Lamborghini must be hopeless then...

I only commented on the assumed "limited Pedigree". Not whether it is required. And yes, looking at the Murcielago at Le Mans, Lambo is hopeless

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by henk4

but do you also know about the R88-89-90 Group C Cars?

yes I know about them, but I also think about them as a little too "old" , I took the R390 as a reference, so 1997. the Group C cars are nearly 20 years old, that's why I didn't consider them, maybe I was mistaking...

Originally Posted by henk4

The "restricted pedigree" as you call it, started already in the sixties.....

I was referring to the last, let's say, ten years. In the same way Alfa stopped making proper sport cars some time ago, even if it has a more relevant racing program, at least in the last years and also out of Italy.
I'm not deleting their history, just saying they changed, as a lot of other automakers though.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

So this has turned into a "the more racing pedigree the better" discussion?

Lamborghini must be hopeless then...

not at all, just a sort of not-so-off-topid digression.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by henk4

I only commented on the assumed "limited Pedigree". Not whether it is required.

ok ok, I officially apologize for my "limited" statement...

[monaroCountry]

Another Nissan claim that has people calling :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs





According to Nismo, the car ran the quarter mile in 10.1 seconds; its zero-to-60-mph time is around 3.0 flat. That's faster than the Ferrari Enzo.

ROADandTRACK.com -- Ampersand - Ampersand — July 2005 (7/2005)










NISSAN GTR Z-TUNE



Power: 495 bhp at 6800 rpm
Torque: 398 lb.-ft. of torque at 5200
Tires F-R: Bridgestone POTENZA RE01R (265/35-18)
Weight lb: 3526

[P4g4nite]

Originally Posted by henk4

I only commented on the assumed "limited Pedigree". Not whether it is required. And yes, looking at the Murcielago at Le Mans, Lambo is hopeless

I saw them at Suzuka, the Gallardos were doing ok and the Murci had the most incredible sound so I fired up the camera to record it going past but it spun and crashed before it got near me...

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

Another Nissan claim that has people calling :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs

What are the other claims that people are saying this about?