Ferrari vs. Porsche

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by LTSmash

This theory only applies to 250's, 356's, and other collector’s items. If I had a Stradale or GT3RS, I would be doing my best to add miles to those on the track.

Yeah, but I still doubt that a Stradale or GT3 RS is what you'd call a high kilometreage.

Track toys don't exactly load up the klicks, do they?

[Ferrer]

If I had a Ferrari (or any other car really) it wouldn't be sitting in the garage collecting dust, that's for sure.

[wwgkd]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

Yeah, but I still doubt that a Stradale or GT3 RS is what you'd call a high kilometreage.

Track toys don't exactly load up the klicks, do they?

There was a guy who loaned his Enzo to car and driver for a test that uses it as a daily driver. He had some pretty high mileage already, it was impressive. And it really is subjective mileage. If you drive it at the track it's a lot more wearing to put 50,000 miles on than to put on 200,000 miles on it putting around like some old lady.

[DesmoRob]

Originally Posted by LTSmash

This theory only applies to 250's, 356's, and other collector’s items. If I had a Stradale or GT3RS, I would be doing my best to add miles to those on the track.

Its really all relative to how you want to use the car, and how you can afford to use the car. If you have enough of a budget for upkeep, insurance and gasoline, you can drive all you want.

Even people that do have that money will still use a Porsche over a Ferrari though, because they are easy to maneuver around town and still have that sense of practicality. Parking is a breeze and the all around visibility in a 911 is better than a civic coupe's. I'd say it doesn't really matter what model of Ferrari you have, it will generally remain pampered more so than a Porsche. If it were me though, I would be out there every chance I got.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by RobPorsche

Another reason you don't see too many high miles on a Ferrari is because most owners are too busy keeping the car as mint and desirable as possible for the next guy. The most ironic thing about the whole situation is that the garage queens are typically the problematic ones too because their engines don't get the required exercise they need to keep their little bits n pieces from drying up. Kind of defeats the purpose of owning a car like that. They really are made to drive. As long as a higher mile Ferrari is serviced appropriately by its owner, without the owner cutting any costs, it will still be a happier car than the mint looking one with its delivery mileage still on the odometer.

Actually, Ferraris are being used more and more in last years.
Ferrari wasn't ready for that as much as owners weren't ready for stratospheric bills after services.
That explain why they went for "less" harcore cars, a bazillions of gizmos to control everything going on and so on, or even the "soft and lady friendly" California.

[DesmoRob]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

Actually, Ferraris are being used more and more in last years.
Ferrari wasn't ready for that as much as owners weren't ready for stratospheric bills after services.
That explain why they went for "less" harcore cars, a bazillions of gizmos to control everything going on and so on, or even the "soft and lady friendly" California.

I suppose that explains why the F430 went to timing chain instead of belts. Makes me rethink my 360 spider goal, because those belts are like a $15,000 job in Canada.

The two are both reliable cars to drive around, just the 430 is much more maintenance friendly in the money department. I would think the other ponies in the stable will follow suit if they haven't already.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by RobPorsche

I suppose that explains why the F430 went to timing chain instead of belts. Makes me rethink my 360 spider goal, because those belts are like a $15,000 job in Canada.

The two are both reliable cars to drive around, just the 430 is much more maintenance friendly in the money department. I would think the other ponies in the stable will follow suit if they haven't already.

The 599 is much better than the 550/575M from this point of view, but it managed to maintain a pretty though attitude.
The 612 would be the right car to cover a lot of miles, but unfortunately it is produced and sold in too few numbers, so small issues even related to the assembly and not to the design are hard to discover, and it takes time too.
the same is for manual cars, too few are sold, so too few assembled and the overall figures in which you are expecting statistically some problems is too low to call that a good or reliable statistic, even considering the differences between the two gearboxes are minimal.

[DesmoRob]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

the same is for manual cars, too few are sold, so too few assembled and the overall figures in which you are expecting statistically some problems is too low to call that a good or reliable statistic, even considering the differences between the two gearboxes are minimal.

Its unfortunate that most buyers order their cars with F1 gearboxes. 6 Speed should not have become the exclusive transmission. Everybody wants to be Michael Schumacher out there. At the end of the day though, it wouldn't bother me so much because its still a Ferrari.
The most simple car for them to service has been the F430 since its introduction. Not sure what the california is like, but to run an F430 per year is supposed to cost $2K - $5K. Oil changes cost around $800 or $900. Not bad, given what you're driving.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by RobPorsche

Its unfortunate that most buyers order their cars with F1 gearboxes. 6 Speed should not have become the exclusive transmission. Everybody wants to be Michael Schumacher out there. At the end of the day though, it wouldn't bother me so much because its still a Ferrari.
The most simple car for them to service has been the F430 since its introduction. Not sure what the california is like, but to run an F430 per year is supposed to cost $2K - $5K. Oil changes cost around $800 or $900. Not bad, given what you're driving.

The California will surely be the easier on the wallet, that's for sure.
About manual VS F1, it's a reason why I would go for a GT3RS instead of a Scuderia. It's not only about the gearbox, but rather something about the intent of the car.
The 430 Scuderia is the top of the line of the F430 line-up, the GT3RS is almost an homologation special, it's made to be brutal, fast and the right thing to see on a track.
I can see an FXX being loaded with electronic devices to help the driver or tests new part, but aas for the GT-R R35, I don't like a car which drives instead of you, or in which """"everyone""" can lap say Fiorano almost as fast as Marc Gene.
that's something I wouldn't have said in the press release.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

The California will surely be the easier on the wallet, that's for sure.
About manual VS F1, it's a reason why I would go for a GT3RS instead of a Scuderia. It's not only about the gearbox, but rather something about the intent of the car.
The 430 Scuderia is the top of the line of the F430 line-up, the GT3RS is almost an homologation special, it's made to be brutal, fast and the right thing to see on a track.
I can see an FXX being loaded with electronic devices to help the driver or tests new part, but aas for the GT-R R35, I don't like a car which drives instead of you, or in which """"everyone""" can lap say Fiorano almost as fast as Marc Gene.
that's something I wouldn't have said in the press release.

That's exactly why I like old cars. The ones from the 80's and early 90's are great.

[wwgkd]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

That's exactly why I like old cars. The ones from the 80's and early 90's are great.

I somehow feel insulted by that old part. 80's and 90's is old? I figure I'd either get something modern but a little more hardcore than average, or go all the way back to the 60's or earlier. I guess for a weekend warrior a Caterham would be a nice compromise. I still want my Scuderia, though. I'd drive the heck out of it, too.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by wwgkd

I somehow feel insulted by that old part. 80's and 90's is old? I figure I'd either get something modern but a little more hardcore than average, or go all the way back to the 60's or earlier. I guess for a weekend warrior a Caterham would be a nice compromise. I still want my Scuderia, though. I'd drive the heck out of it, too.

Well the 80's are almost 30 years ago...

The good thing about 80's cars is that you get the performance, the simplicity and the reliability.

[wwgkd]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Well the 80's are almost 30 years ago...

The good thing about 80's cars is that you get the performance, the simplicity and the reliability.

Hey, don't remind me. I saw cargirls name, guessed that was when she was born and started thinking "Isn't that a little young to be on here? What is she, like 8?" But then I did the math and no. I think I'm starting to figure out how my dad feels when he keeps talking about all this stuff and I say that I heard about it on the history channel.

I've never really been a fan of much of anything that came from the 80's to be honest. I always thought most of the cars were ugly, 175hp mustangs, ferraris not a ton better, no convertibles, strange men wearing tights on music videos, etc. It was a sad time for american culture with only a few bright spots.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by wwgkd

Hey, don't remind me. I saw cargirls name, guessed that was when she was born and started thinking "Isn't that a little young to be on here? What is she, like 8?" But then I did the math and no. I think I'm starting to figure out how my dad feels when he keeps talking about all this stuff and I say that I heard about it on the history channel.

I've never really been a fan of much of anything that came from the 80's to be honest. I always thought most of the cars were ugly, 175hp mustangs, ferraris not a ton better, no convertibles, strange men wearing tights on music videos, etc. It was a sad time for american culture with only a few bright spots.

In Europe though it was a brilliant era in my opinion. Not only you had what I already mentioned, but cars were engineered uniquely with hardly any rebadging.

I mean in the 80's you could buy rear wheel drive Alfas with glorious V6 engines, Citroëns were mad and quirky just like they should, Saabs weren't the joke they've become today, and Jags had straight sixes and beautiful unique shapes. And then there were some properly brilliant drivers cars. Cars like the Golf GTI, the 205 GTI, the M3, the 190E Cosworth and many others.

Yes, I love the 80's.

[LTSmash]

Originally Posted by RobPorsche

Its unfortunate that most buyers order their cars with F1 gearboxes. 6 Speed should not have become the exclusive transmission. Everybody wants to be Michael Schumacher out there.

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

About manual VS F1, it's a reason why I would go for a GT3RS instead of a Scuderia. It's not only about the gearbox, but rather something about the intent of the car.
The 430 Scuderia is the top of the line of the F430 line-up, the GT3RS is almost an homologation special, it's made to be brutal, fast and the right thing to see on a track.

Stop reading my mind.