Photoshop

[Matra et Alpine]

painter, you confuse a natural resource with a PRODUCT.

EVERY software development has a cost and a goal for return on investment.
So the price IS governed by the sales.
If you sell double you can cut the price by 40% and meet ROI targets.

AND we werne't talking games .... he is trygin to rip off an expensive and VERY capable graphics editing suite which is in continuous development and provides excellent support, patches, new features and upgrades.

Stealing it measn less money to make it better next time ( to steal it again )

Or lookign it the other way, those who PAY are funding the low-lifes who are STEALING. Hope someone breaks in overnight and takes all their food There is NO such thing as a 2victimless crime" as I've heard software theft described.

Would software companies be in such a rush to move all teh s/w developmetn off shore to "cheap" sites if they were able to make decent return using home-based developers ? Sure some would. but many wouldn/t !!! so if anyone wants a high paying job with or usign computers, just think it may be YOUR job that gets moved to China !!!!

if you can't afford PS then go take one of the many freeware or shareware packages available and STOP STEALING.....

[Jakg]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

if you can't afford PS then go take one of the many freeware or shareware packages available and STOP STEALING.....

ie the gimp, but remember, chopping isnt easy, it takes a lot of skill, skill which you dont seem to haveby yout grammatical skills!

[painterr]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

painter, you confuse a natural resource with a PRODUCT.

EVERY software development has a cost and a goal for return on investment.
So the price IS governed by the sales.
If you sell double you can cut the price by 40% and meet ROI targets.

AND we werne't talking games .... he is trygin to rip off an expensive and VERY capable graphics editing suite which is in continuous development and provides excellent support, patches, new features and upgrades.

Stealing it measn less money to make it better next time ( to steal it again )

Or lookign it the other way, those who PAY are funding the low-lifes who are STEALING. Hope someone breaks in overnight and takes all their food There is NO such thing as a 2victimless crime" as I've heard software theft described.

Would software companies be in such a rush to move all teh s/w developmetn off shore to "cheap" sites if they were able to make decent return using home-based developers ? Sure some would. but many wouldn/t !!! so if anyone wants a high paying job with or usign computers, just think it may be YOUR job that gets moved to China !!!!


if you can't afford PS then go take one of the many freeware or shareware packages available and STOP STEALING.....

I understand what you are saying but can you give me one example where a company lowered there price of there product because they over sold there product!! That is called profit and I dont know any company that would sacrifice that! Most companies have a 100% to 400% markup on there product! I know I was in the clothing indrustry for several years! Plus I have my own business and I have a markup of 30% on overall price and I have a built in markup on materials. Now if the job doesnt take as long to do it as I figured or as much materials I figured. That is my profit. Now I could give a discount to the customer if I so choose ( and I have done that ocasionally but not often, that is called PR but it is my profit).

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by painterr

I understand what you are saying but can you give me one example where a company lowered there price of there product because they over sold there product!! That is called profit and I dont know any company that would sacrifice that! Most companies have a 100% to 400% markup on there product!

BS, WHERE do you EVER see a 400% markup ? ( Away from the "label" buyers who are stupid to pay over the odds for the cachet -- but even with those cost-of-sales are often swamping the product price )
I suspect you are confusing MANUFACTURE cost of a product instead of total investment costs !!
MANY companies operate to a target ROI ( or more recently ROA ).
So they operate withing guidelines of "reasonable profit".
After all custoemrs can easily see the profit from teh companye accounts adn see fi they are begin ripped off.
HP ( and Agilent ) built a SOLID reputation based on a known profit expectation and pricing products to reflect that and that alone.
It builds customer loyalty and a solid growing business.
( In fact Dave Packard returned to the company after he retired to kick ass on senior managers who lost the point of that approach )
You want to see prices drop ? Go look at HP printers Driving the price point down to prevent competitors able to cream large profits against their huge volume

I know I was in the clothing indrustry for several years! Plus I have my own business and I have a markup of 30% on overall price and I have a built in markup on materials. Now if the job doesnt take as long to do it as I figured or as much materials I figured. That is my profit. Now I could give a discount to the customer if I so choose ( and I have done that ocasionally but not often, that is called PR but it is my profit).

It's is your COST and you chose to increase the cost-of-sales to ensure volume and retention.
The clothing industry is one of the prime examples of the export of once quality manufacturers to cheap locations because the customers WANT it cheap

[Pando]

Originally Posted by Rockefella

Although I'm guilty of performing these illegal actions, we, the download community, put it upon ourselves. If we all bought their products they would probably be 25-50% cheaper.

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

EVERY software development has a cost and a goal for return on investment.
So the price IS governed by the sales.
If you sell double you can cut the price by 40% and meet ROI targets.

"can" being the word of interest here. With the same formula you could start by cutting the price by 40% and then a 100% increase in sales could be very realistic, do you see them doing that? So why would they cut the prices if the product was selling better.
The "freerider" effect is an interesing one. Here in Helsinki there is a ever on-going discussion about people riding trams / trains / metros without paying and how/whether that drives up the prices. Their solution was to increase the student discount from 20(iirc)% to 50% as it was mainly young students that didn't pay to save money, and pretty much all the freeriders I knew turned into paying customers as it wasn't as economically beneficial anymore.

I've been pondering on the piracy phenomena, and even concidered piracy as a form of competion. Piracy is on a short term good for the consumer and bad for the producer. Theoretically piracy could break the backs of many firms and industries, but judging by the way things are going the companies that pull through are the ones who are taking the bull by the horns and competing with it, rather than ignore it or blame it for all the problems. This pushes down prices rather than up that many producers would want us to think. The unwillingness of humans to pay for intangible things, which the piracy culture furthens, has also helped in creating a huge freeware/shareware scene which shouldn't be taken for granted.

Basically what I'm saying is, that unless the world turns into a police state, software prices will eventually drop significally and it will be because of piracy that they do so. Unfortunately it's not the companies that suffer, it's their workers.

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

if you can't afford PS then go take one of the many freeware or shareware packages available

I second that. Download.com is a good source for freeware/shareware software.

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by Pando

Basically what I'm saying is, that unless the world turns into a police state, software prices will eventually drop significally and it will be because of piracy that they do so. Unfortunately it's not the companies that suffer, it's their workers.

yeah, and before that companies will have gone out of business as so many games developers have over the years because they run out of investment
Not just the jobs, but the companies and in some cases the products will be.