Why does FIAT have to sux?

[zeta]

Why doesn't the Italian passion in cars rub off on Fiat? I understand there suppose to be cheap, economical, pratical cars but they don't have to be like that, their sub Renault Citroen. Why didn't any (at least 1/4) of Ferrari's goodness get into them, like some ferrari engineers and great designers work there parttime give them a boost?Pinnifirina? with interior exterior design, relability, and image. They almost went under a few times to.

Its too bad tho, Fiat has a great history, its still known word wide dissipite being so small, and a good italian style image with Ferrari backing could of been like the Volkswagon corp/group. When Honda started making cars there inspiration was from fiat as well. Couldya imagine ferrari [helped] engineered econo 1.4 20V 4 bangers and such.

[:Exige:]

The New Fiat Panda has been given many awards and is a fantastic car, especially for the money. If Ferrari went and made their cars, they would have Ferrari prices. I think your argument is completley unjustified in every single way, especially with the 500 update proposed.

[go.pawel]

The Grande Punto is also a really good car, and looks awesome! Like a Maserati compact
And why would you call Fiat "small"? Most of their cars may be small, but it's a huge company.
Finally, I thnk you answered yourself right after asking the question. Because Fiat cars are supposed to be "cheap, economical, practical cars". That means no technical masterpieces and no design experiments.

[zeta]

I don't mean make them for them but slighty assist with one or two of there brains, and not only now and throught the past. It could have helped them.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by zeta

Why doesn't the Italian passion in cars rub off on Fiat? I understand there suppose to be cheap, economical, pratical cars but they don't have to be like that, their sub Renault Citroen. Why didn't any (at least 1/4) of Ferrari's goodness get into them, like some ferrari engineers and great designers work there parttime give them a boost?Pinnifirina? with interior exterior design, relability, and image. They almost went under a few times to.

Its too bad tho, Fiat has a great history, its still known word wide dissipite being so small, and a good italian style image with Ferrari backing could of been like the Volkswagon corp/group. When Honda started making cars there inspiration was from fiat as well. Couldya imagine ferrari [helped] engineered econo 1.4 20V 4 bangers and such.

Again someone making badly misjudged comments about Fiat...

You've got to take into account that the Fiat Group is slowly overcoming one of the worse (well I'd say the worse in tis history) crisis it's ever had. That came from a multitude of factors, which include, bad management, poor quality cars, and way too many brands too manage amongs others.

Having said that the Panda really made a turning point for Fiat. It signified a return to what Fiat does best, cheap and cheerful small cars. You can trace its bloodline all the way back to the original Fiat 500 Topolino arguably. The fantastic Grande Punto is another example that Fiat seems to be really back on track.

Ok so the Punto Mk II and the Stilo were some not-so successful car for Fiat. Precisely the stilo, IMO, comitted the worse crime of all, blandness. But Fiat seems to have learnt from those mistakes.

Another big blow for Fiat was the death of the Avvocate, Mr. Agnelli, he really was the man who made them go where they had go and do what they had to do, but after a period of being a bit lost, Fiat has regianed control in the form of Sergio Marchionne, and he is determoned to put Fiat back were it belongs, right on top. The success of the Grande Punto, the Croma and the Sedici, offer quite some hope that this will be the case in the future.

[zeta]

Compared to vw and renault there size isn't that big. Didn't they almost just avioded bankrupty not so long ago before the merger. And they don't have cool things like a clio or megane, but i guess there rebuilding with good consumer rated products. And i do like the new 500 concept, that a move in a good dirction

EDIT: PSA i should say not renault

[zeta]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Again someone making badly misjudged comments about Fiat...

You've got to take into account that the Fiat Group is slowly overcoming one of the worse (well I'd say the worse in tis history) crisis it's ever had. That came from a multitude of factors, which include, bad management, poor quality cars, and way too many brands too manage amongs others.

Having said that the Panda really made a turning point for Fiat. It signified a return to what Fiat does best, cheap and cheerful small cars. You can trace its bloodline all the way back to the original Fiat 500 Topolino arguably. The fantastic Grande Punto is another example that Fiat seems to be really back on track.

Ok so the Punto Mk II and the Stilo were some not-so successful car for Fiat. Precisely the stilo, IMO, comitted the worse crime of all, blandness. But Fiat seems to have learnt from those mistakes.

Another big blow for Fiat was the death of the Avvocate, Mr. Agnelli, he really was the man who made them go where they had go and do what they had to do, but after a period of being a bit lost, Fiat has regianed control in the form of Sergio Marchionne, and he is determoned to put Fiat back were it belongs, right on top. The success of the Grande Punto, the Croma and the Sedici, offer quite some hope that this will be the case in the future.

Thats my point, in the past how could brethren Ferrari much smaller much exclusive, be so prosperous, and the mainstream Fiat was so sloppy through history, when it had potential.

[go.pawel]

Originally Posted by zeta

Compared to vw and renault there size isn't that big. Didn't they almost just avioded bankrupty not so long ago before the merger. And they don't have cool things like a clio or megane, but i guess there rebuilding with good consumer rated products. And i do like the new 500 concept, that a move in a good dirction

EDIT: PSA i should say not renault

A few numbers: VW Group produces about 5 million cars per year, Renault over 2,4 million, and Fiat some 2,2 million. So it's not that much smaller than Renault, you know The company's assets are 75,72 bln$ compared to Renault's 81,39 bln$ and VW's 169,49 bln$ (according to Forbes). So VW is a higher league, but Renault is only a bit bigger. You can't say about a company of 76 bln$ that it's small
And as for the "cool things". What's cool about Clio? Grande Punto is way cooler for that matter (whatever it actually menas ).

[zeta]

I didn't know that. so i take that back there not small, even tho in the world makers rankings (there something like) their 12th out of 15 infronta proton. i was thinking clio sport, but they don't make that anymore, so never mind that as well. No arguement bout the megane tho. grande punto is getting good praise so at least thats good, no what i menas

[Matra et Alpine]

Advance orders are beign taken for the Clio 197. If it is an improvement on the 186 then it will be a worthy succesor to the titel of "best"

Sadly, FIAT ahven't really produced a decent perromance car for far too long.
Even teh Barchetta was a disappointment

[h00t_h00t]

A company doesn't need a performance car to make money, look at how many Peugeot 206s were sold over its lifetime.

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by h00t_h00t

A company doesn't need a performance car to make money, look at how many Peugeot 206s were sold over its lifetime.

When did how much money a company makes have anything to do with "passion" ?? (see post#1 )

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

When did how much money a company makes have anything to do with "passion" ?? (see post#1 )

You've got to reckon that with cars like Panda and the new Grande Punto Fiat has recaptured the sparkle. Being able to take corners at a million miles an hour doesn't necesarily the car has a lot of pasion in it.

[Evil Ewok]

Since when has any Italian car been Reliable or economical? They are great cars and have the passion of italia in their soul.

[NuclearCrap]

Things like Renault don't suck, they're aiming for the economical market. If you really want to see them try, please refer to this year's F1.