New Top Speed For The Ferrari Enzo

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by werty

i dont care what helped it go faster, just to know that it did is great news enough for me!

The problem is Werty, there are half a dozen reasons why it is NOT the speed the car actually went at

[RS6]

I reckon it could go at that speed in standard tune. I mean it is light, aerodynamic and it has 660bhp.

[werty]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

The problem is Werty, there are half a dozen reasons why it is NOT the speed the car actually went at

i know...thats specifically why i said i didn't care why

[Sweeney921]

Originally Posted by RS6

I reckon it could go at that speed in standard tune. I mean it is light, aerodynamic and it has 660bhp.

but it was tested at 217.5mph. if everything is STOCK, that number WILL NOT CHANGE. if all the conditions are perfect for top speed tested (no wind, flat surface, warm track), the only difference in top speed you will find is at most by 2mph, not by this much.

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by werty

i know...thats specifically why i said i didn't care why

Sorry werty, I don't think the main point got across.

That is almost certainly NOT the speed the car actually did.

Just coz the speedo said it is irrelevant. If the wheels are smaller rolling radius or there was wheelspin then the measured speed is wrong.

It's why in real tests it used to require a fifth-wheel, now it's done with radar.

Sorry to burst the bubble, werty....

[werty]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

Sorry werty, I don't think the main point got across.

That is almost certainly NOT the speed the car actually did.

Just coz the speedo said it is irrelevant. If the wheels are smaller rolling radius or there was wheelspin then the measured speed is wrong.

It's why in real tests it used to require a fifth-wheel, now it's done with radar.

Sorry to burst the bubble, werty....

your not bursting anyones bubble, i said i dont care

and i do realize it wasn't really going 228 or whatever it was

i was trying to be sarcastic about it being faster than i ever thought

[johnnyperl]

since when is painting your wheels black make them "aftermarket"? you guys need glasses , those are the stock wheels!!

this was done in morocco, around casablanca. if it was up in the mountains the aerodynamic benefits would not be greater than the loss of power from the lower density.
funny, i saw this pic about a month ago but nver bothered to do the calculation into MPH.

[Sweeney921]

Originally Posted by johnnyperl

since when is painting your wheels black make them "aftermarket"? you guys need glasses , those are the stock wheels!!

do you really think someone would PAINT their enzo rims?!?!?!?! i think anyone that can afford an enzo would have the cash to get enzo-looking wheels made of magnesium.

[Rijoh]

I've readed in a mag where they tested the Enzo on Nardo (high speed track in Italy) that the top speed was 355km/h. So only 5 more than 350.

[Coventrysucks]

If Ferrari recorded that top speed on a oval test track you can add a few mph anyway for a flat surface.
It could also have been an average speed over a lap.

[Rijoh]

Originally Posted by Coventrysucks

If Ferrari recorded that top speed on a oval test track you can add a few mph anyway for a flat surface.
It could also have been an average speed over a lap.

They could put me in it to drive, instead of some fat bastard
The people who tested in on Nardo are more trustworthy than a picture witch says 366 km/h.
The top speed of the Enzo is just 355km/h...

[jameswithington]

This thread reminds me of an article in June 2004's Car magazine. They took a Carrera GT on a 33 hour blast around Germany for a feature article (lucky swines!). The car was picked up from the factory in totally standard tune and set up so they could get a feel for living with the car out in the real world (ie not on a test track). Obviously the 'real world' in Germany means unrestricted Autobahns so they couldn't resist pushing it to the limit. The car topped out at an indicated 343kmh (217mph) when the official top speed is supposed to be 'only' 205. Naturally I can understand a company wanting to exaggerate the figures but underestimating them? Seems bizarre to me which makes me think that there must be something wrong with the speedo on that particular Porsche and the Gumball Enzo.

Top speeds are a notoriously shady area of car performance figures. Not all sportscar manufacturers have the resources to test properly at a facility like Nardo so top speeds are usually given as estimates made from calculations involving drag coefficients/power/weight/gearing. The most extreme example of top speed exagerration I can think of is the Pagani Zonda. It has a 'claimed' 220mph capability but Evo magazine tested the Zonda flat out in the early hours of one morning in the A5 autobahn and it vmaxed at 197 with a straight road, good conditions and right foot buried into the carpet.

[Coventrysucks]

Originally Posted by jameswithington

The Porsche Carrera GT topped out at an indicated 343kmh (217mph) when the official top speed is supposed to be 'only' 205. Naturally I can understand a company wanting to exaggerate the figures but underestimating them? Seems bizarre to me which makes me think that there must be something wrong with the speedo on that particular Porsche and the Gumball Enzo.

Porsche are always conservative with thier performance figures.
I guess it is so that everyone who buys a Porsche will be able to do 0-62 in the prescribed time, not just the Porsche test drivers.

Maybe there was a 12mph tail wind
Maybe the speedo overreads by 12mph
Maybe they were going downhill
Maybe we should all stop caring at exactly how fast any of these cars are because very few people will be able to drive any of these cars at those kind of speeds anyway.
Lets just settle for:

The Porsche Carrera GT is very fast
The Enzo Ferrari Enzo is a bit faster.

[Egg Nog]

Originally Posted by RS6

I reckon it could go at that speed in standard tune. I mean it is light, aerodynamic and it has 660bhp.

Well, "aerodynamic" is a strange way of saying it will be faster. The Enzo was designed to produce huge amounts of downforce, which of course is all aerodynamics. However, this greatly detracts from the top speed. If the Enzo's body wasn't designed for as much downforce, I can easily see it hitting a much high top speed.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

OR, better yet you can pump all the air off the earth creating a vacume allowing all cars to travel as fast as planes !!!

downside is we'd all die in about 10 seconds due to exposure to radiation, coldness of space, suffocation, air bubbling through our blood (bends), what else ... solar wind? yeah thats about it