TVR no longer maker of cheap British crap. Now makes cheap "European" crap.

[:Exige:]

Originally Posted by Mr.Tiv

I meant directly... to France. That would ruin it for me-Frenchmen know how to make a proper hatch, but something like a TVR has no place being made in France. Germany is ate the top of my list, the make the European car that is most notably, in my mind, similar to a TVR, even if it is more refined, the Weissman.

The Weissman is utterly tame in comparison to TVR. IMO I think no other european manufacturer outside of the UK makes cars as brutal as the British. Ultima, Bristol, Radical, Marcos ... the list goes on.

[Mr.Tiv]

Originally Posted by :Exige:

The Weissman is utterly tame in comparison to TVR. IMO I think no other european manufacturer outside of the UK makes cars as brutal as the British. Ultima, Bristol, Radical, Marcos ... the list goes on.

Which is why I said it is the most similar offering from Europe, as in the mainland, as in outside of the UK. Of course no one does it like the British, that's part of what makes it sad. So, excuse me for not be totally clear on that.

[kingofthering]

TVR's aren't exactly cheap....

[:Exige:]

Originally Posted by kingofthering

TVR's aren't exactly cheap....

Considering the performance ... they're very cheap. Sagaris ... less than half the price of an F430 but with better performance figures? And I'm talking about the new revised Sagaris too.

[clutch-monkey]

hopefully once they start building them in europe they'll start exporting them elswhere too, and actually bother to make them street legal in different countries.

[fpv_gtho]

Originally Posted by clutch-monkey

hopefully once they start building them in europe they'll start exporting them elswhere too, and actually bother to make them street legal in different countries.

That'll probably mean alot more engineering work though, which could break the budget.

[lightweight]

Here we go again.....

Another thread with Smolensky bashing.

Please, if you are going to post something, try to say something useful

[Cyco]

Slightly suprised that he has announced Europe. Would seem the company that does the work for Noble in SA would be a great choice.

[2ndclasscitizen]

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

That'll probably mean alot more engineering work though, which could break the budget.

Not really. I mean, their never going to get to the US unless they got get some deals like Lotus did with the Elise 111R, but even then Lotus had the 2ZZ VVTL that was already approved for the US. But the cars would be passing Euro laws, and they're pretty strict so I so no reason why it would be hard to get them anywhere else. Australia has changed to our ADRs to basically follow the Euro regs so it'll be piss easy to get them down here.

But as for the production being outsourced, I don't see it as that bad. They'll still be designed in the UK, the drivetrains will still built in the UK. Yes it's bad for all the workers but people are just going to have accept the fact that this is going to happen more and more. I can't remember any posts complaining about Astons being built in Germany. Besides, the people putting TVRs together hardly seem to have been excelling at it.

[Coventrysucks]

Originally Posted by lightweight

Here we go again.....

Another thread with Smolensky bashing.

Why shouldn't he be bashed around the head with a stick?

Smolenski says: "I'm going to improve reliability!"

What actually happens: Nothing, just delays of model launches, press still receiving poorly built examples to review, TVR's reputation continues to be poor.

Smolenski says: "I'm going to expand the company, increase production and sell cars in new markets!"

What actually happens: Nothing, apart from staff being laid off, then rehired, then some other staff being laid off, then production being reduced, then reduced some more, then stopped.

Smolenski says: "I insist on staying in the UK, because it is such an important aspect of the TVR brand to be British, and there is no real financial benefit to moving abroad! We are absolutely not going to move abroad!"

What actually happens: Bye!

Almost every "press release" from TVR over the last couple of years has been very positive, the future's bright and all that, whilst the reality of what is actually happening is quite, quite different.

[D'ARTOIS]

Although I agree with all of you, you have to counsel yourself why British car industry is slowly dying?
I am involved in another industry and getting a medium/high ranking staffmember on the phone is next to impossible.
9.30 : Mr.....is not in yet - 10.30 : Mr.......is in a meeting - 11.30.....still in a meeting - 12.30 ........out for lunch - 14.30 .......still out for lunch .......15.30...
just left the office.
This is going on for years and years now - there are of course companies that survive - like Morgan. Morgan is however a small company and can survive by the sheer exclusivity of their product.
But have a look at Jaguar: they are awaiting a similar fate as MG/Rover: Ford wants to get rid of the company already since they are always in the red.
Even top brands like RR and Bentley are in Gedrman hands - a situation unheard of.
Look at that.

[Prius]

I knew that TVR was going to go down the toilet when they said that they will start making boats.

[D'ARTOIS]

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16 June 2006

Independent British sports car manufacturer, TVR has finalised the first stage of its relocation plans, and would like to confirm that it will be remaining in Britain and predominantly within Lancashire, the region in which the company was founded in 1947.

For the foreseeable future, TVR will operate from a new international headquarters in Lancaster, where the management, sales and marketing teams, as well as research and development, will all be based. There will also be a TVR museum and an archive library at the headquarters, to which press, visitors, customers and enthusiasts will be warmly welcomed.

Following extensive discussions with the local council, final production of TVR cars will also remain within Lancashire, at a confirmed plant in the Squires Gate area of Blackpool. It is planned that some sub-assembly manufacturing may eventually be conducted away from the new plant, but that remains the subject of further discussion and is linked to new materials technology that will be a feature of future TVR models.

The new facilities, to which TVR will be moving within the coming months, will help TVR achieve Euro IV type approval and to realise an increased international presence, as well as to further its programme of continuous quality improvements. The relocation will be carefully managed to minimise disruption, and customers' orders will be unaffected.

"This is the first stage of transition for the company," said David Oxley, managing director of TVR. "The Squires Gate facility will enable us to increase our volumes in-line with Euro IV approval and with the opening up of new international markets for TVR. The Lancaster headquarters will also increase efficiency in our administration, research and development, aftersales and sales and marketing departments."

These strategic moves by TVR continue to strengthen its position as one of the very few remaining truly British sports car manufacturers, a claim of which it is extremely proud. The company remains committed to producing exhilarating premium performance cars, something it has done for almost 60 years and a tradition that it's looking forward to continuing well into the future.

Nikolai Smolenski, TVR's chairman added: "Our eventual plan is a brand new factory for TVR, but our choice of site for that facility is a decision to be made in the future. We have introduced a relocation strategy that allows TVR to grow into the international company that has always been my vision, and to continue to build on the improved quality using a skilled and committed local workforce."

Nigel Gordon Stewart
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[Mr.Tiv]

Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen

But as for the production being outsourced, I don't see it as that bad. They'll still be designed in the UK, the drivetrains will still built in the UK. Yes it's bad for all the workers but people are just going to have accept the fact that this is going to happen more and more. I can't remember any posts complaining about Astons being built in Germany. Besides, the people putting TVRs together hardly seem to have been excelling at it.

It's not the end of the world. It might not even be the end of TVR. As Long as they remain headquaetered in Blackpool, build the driveline there and put the driveline in the car there, or even at the dealership, It could be a could thing financially. The issue is purity. TVR is a company of passion, most of the people buying them have wanted one since their childhood, and to people who love TVR, part of it has died. It's not pure.
Looking at this in a different light, now that I have spent a day thinking about it, this could be a good thing. Lets just say that they end up building them in Eastern Europe, in some former Soviet country, where they can cut the costs; if that is the case, then quality could increase, as they would have more money to invest in quality. If quality goes up and they meet Euro/US/Aus regulations, they have a potential to start making money. If they make money, perhaps, and I emphasize the perhaps, they could restart Blackpool production and continue European production-Making it an undenyably English and undenyably European manufacturer, and a global player in the sportscar market. But that is all hypothetical and highly optimistic.

[Coventrysucks]

Originally Posted by D'ARTOIS

Although I agree with all of you, you have to counsel yourself why British car industry is slowly dying?
I am involved in another industry and getting a medium/high ranking staffmember on the phone is next to impossible.

You think that the British car industry is failing because you can't get hold of someone in another industry?

That statement is just stupid.

Let's decide that the entire British workforce is lazy because one person doesn't want to speak to you...

And lets ignore the fact that TVR was at its height under the leadership of Englishman Peter Wheeler.

Originally Posted by D'ARTOIS

But have a look at Jaguar: they are awaiting a similar fate as MG/Rover: Ford wants to get rid of the company already since they are always in the red.
Even top brands like RR and Bentley are in Gedrman hands - a situation unheard of.
Look at that.

Again, this argument is pretty stupid.

There is pleanty of evidence that shows that Britain is a world leader in the automotive industry, some of the world's most productive car factories are in the UK - Nissan, Toyota, Mini.

There are also many world-leading independant engineering specialists such as Ricardo, Prodrive, and others that supply the world's leading manufacturers.

Not to mention that McLaren, Williams, Red Bull, Honda, Super Aguri, Renault and Midland F1 are all based in the UK...