Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring

[Quiggs]

GTR's have been dyno'ing 480, and in some cases more, to the wheels. Putting them at about 550hp. And yeah, they probably did use a ringer for the Ring.

[fisetdavid26]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Heart

Yup... this was the porsche that kicked the ass of the GT-r...

The Carrera GT did not "kick the GT-R's ass" since it set its lap time before the GT-R even existed.

So what if Nissan beat Porsche. Get over it.

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

Considering also that one of the bigger Nurburgring driving schools is still using the old Alfa Romeo 75....

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Because the 75 is the last of the great RWD cars available that is NOT BMW

Originally Posted by ruim20

This puzles me... experienced at what in the nurburgring? painting the track? shouting at cars... hummm...

Chassis engineers and test drivers are now the most knowledgable folks around for adjusting chassis/suspension/setup on a car.
Drivers have become just that and reliant on computer telemetry to get setups sorted by engineers trawling the captured data !
I'd put a chassis engineer with thousands of laps on the 'Ring ahead of most of the current nancy-boy F1 prima donnas

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by henk4

is it so hard to swallow that Nissan may have build a damn good car? Where is the open mind these days. Is image everything?
And if you wonder why a Radical or a Donkervoort has been faster than all the cars you listed, although they both have less horsepower, than you may start to realise that HP is not everything to make a car going fast.

well, those weight around a third of the GT-R

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

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Because the 75 is the last of the great RWD cars available that is NOT BMW

what I emant is that you can have fun and and involving drive even without braking the 8 minutes (or even 9...10..) barrier.

btw, did the Veyron seriously lapped?

[henk4]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

well, those weight around a third of the GT-R

which was my point. HP is not everything. (GTR faster than a Veyron...must be cheating...)

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by henk4

which was my point. HP is not everything. (GTR faster than a Veyron...must be cheating...)

yeah, a lightweight car can be really fast despite having just a few HP and standard suspensions.

on a serious note, I have no clues on how the Veyron performs on a track, but I doubt it is very good.

[teatako]

This link has been around since may. I don´t know how true it is ,what they say there, but Porsche´s bawwwing comes way too late.

[f6fhellcat13]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Heart

Nissan has to be cheating... I saw the record lap times

It's the 20.8 km of track section...

7:22.1 - Dodge Viper ACR
7:26.4 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1
7:27.8 - Pagani Zonda F
7:28.0 - Porsche Carrera GT
7:29.0 - Nissan GT-R
7:32.0 - Porsche 911 GT2
7:34.0 - Koenigsegg CCR
7:35.0 - Ruf Rt 12
7:39.0 - Ferrari 430 Scuderia
7:40.0 - Bugatti Veyron 16.4
7:40.0 - McLAren Mercedes SLR
7:40.0 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
7:40.6 - Ford GT
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9:12.0 - Jaguar S-Type Diesel
10:08.0 - Ford Transit

I mean... how could a Nissan GT-r beat the Bugatti Veyron or even the Ferrari 430 scuderia, McLaren SLR, or Lamborghini Murcielago LP640.

It makes me wonder how they did it since these cars have the advantage in raw power and usable by these cars because the Nurburgring is a High-speed track. It's not like Monaco...

So, give me an explanation on how they did it...

Both the Bug and the Macca are "soft" cars, and the lambo, if like old lambos is not very fond of the racetrack in any form. The f430 losing does mystify me a little bit, but the gtr is a damn fine car. What times does the Z06 do? 3 pages in less that a few hours, owo!

[The_Canuck]

What do Porsche, Nissan and Corvette fanboy's have in common with each other and a dinosaur?

[f6fhellcat13]

asteroinds hit them?

[The_Canuck]

Oh god i wish...

I meant walnut sized brains

[scottie300z]

Originally Posted by The_Canuck

Oh god i wish...

I meant walnut sized brains

oooooh walnuts, what were we talking about?

Next week we will see Nissan accusing Chevy of cheating.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by teatako

This link has been around since may. I don´t know how true it is ,what they say there, but Porsche´s bawwwing comes way too late.

beside repeating the same things stated all over the interwebz and here too, that article contains some errors, for example, all the times are setted with a different point for start and stop, it also happens in some modern racing circuits (especially in motorcycle races IIRC), but I don't know why.

[TehRacer]

Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen

Yes, Porches' regular road tyres. The same tyres that BMW issued warning letters to CSL buyers about due to their inappropriateness for any road conditions other than hot and dry, those regular road tyres.

Exactly what I was thinking. Besides who really cares, real men drive rwd with no driver aids and a proper manual. Cars nowadays are way too soft, built to be idiot-proof.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by f6fhellcat13

Both the Bug and the Macca are "soft" cars, and the lambo, if like old lambos is not very fond of the racetrack in any form. The f430 losing does mystify me a little bit, but the gtr is a damn fine car. What times does the Z06 do? 3 pages in less that a few hours, owo!

The Nissan beat the Ferrari because it's a very hightech car. That overcame the straight line performance deficit.

IIRC the Z06 did a 7'42.