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GM Submits Business Plan to US Congress
More from Autoblog. They want 12 billion in loans and 6 in revolving credit which I don't know. They want to slash dealerships and workers as well as focus on core brands and sell Saab and Hummer and maybe axe Saturn. Press release below.
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Much of what they are talking about doing makes sense.
But it's unlikely they will find Buyers for the companies they are looking to sell. And furthermore, it's nearly $8billion more than they were asking for less than a Month ago.
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Hummer is alomst unsaleable and probably has no future at all. Saab will be difficult and Saturn is too integrated with GM to make sense outside it.
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Exactly - the entire point of Saturn was to be Lower Chevrolet.
Without that parent tether, it's dead.
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can you prove this?
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Basically, it was a low-cost arm of GM that took inspiration from Overseas competitors. GM eventually worked out it was easier importing vehicles from O/S to compete with vehicles....from O/S......
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All bullshit. They want twice as much as either Chrysler or Ford and have a crappier plan. My prediction: Opel is sold to a European or Japanese company, Ford buys Saab and combines it with Volvo, a wealthy individual or group of individuals buys the Corvette name and turns it into a stand alone company (think Saleen) and the rest is divided between Chrysler and Ford. Caddy exists now in name only anyway since the SUVs are rebadged Chevys and the sedans are rebadged Saabs.
A week ago I thought Chrysler would be the one to fail, but after hearing their 'plans' Chrysler's advantage is it's a smaller company and actually doesn't need as much cash to stay afloat. Plus Chrysler has the best design department.
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Saturn gets 2 European cars and changes it's image and gets good reviews for the Astra and Aura (won NACOTY I believe) and could end up getting killed off. That is comical.
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And they may be getting good reviews but it seems they aren't selling very well. And anyway they aren't doing anything that could be done with other brands in their portfolio. They key word here is overlap, which apart from all the reasons already mentioned previously, is killing them.
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Rebadging european vehicles & importing them won't save the US manufacturing, design or engineering aspects of GM corp.
Also, it's not so cheap to import them anymore......
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This is easy to prove.
Look at a Cobalt. It's made from metal. Now look at an Ion. It's made of plastic.
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I think GM should sell SAAB in much the same way Ford is looking to sell Volvo. Also the hummer division needs to either die or be sold (though who the hell would want to buy it?). |
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My plan stripped down as follows:
Save the most desirable auto company of the Big Three or merge. Get KKR, TPG, BSG and a few i-banks to sell off useless subsidiaries, plants, etc. Cut workforce OR most union benefits (one of them has to go). Keep the company private for a few years and vote in a board that knows what the hell they are doing. Then when consumer satisfaction and demand goes up make public again (just look at Goldman Sachs when they went public, it can work). Good marketing and hype can make the public have faith in the auto sector. If this works, it will create jobs and bring back a market demand. However, my plan would have worked with no problem two years ago. What needs to be done today is for congress to stop bending backwards for everyone and get off this rant about overpaid CEO's, hedge funds, PE, and regulation; it's only making the problem linger. Stop trying to bail everyone out and let finance guru's do their thing. Go private, public, or go home; none of this government takeover stuff which just creates more restriction and jobs that pay less. And these media channels that don't know a thing about economics should quit voicing their world is about to end crap; people need the truth but not to ridiculous inflation....just watch Bloomberg or FB for some sanity. EDIT: Don't get on me over specifics please, "plan stripped down as follows."
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LT, shame that this last year has taught us ...
1. Nobody wants to BUY any useless subsidiaries 2. Marketing and hype are the root cause of the problem, time to get decent cars at decent prices 3. Letting "finance gurus" do their thing got us here ![]() ![]()
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2. That's because the board wasn't thinking straight "Vote in a board that knows what the hell they are doing." 3. I'm not sure the "finance guru's" were involved in the auto sector so much. Big Three have been the "don't buy or lets short em'" type for quite some time. In fact they haven’t played a part at all really because of their lack of long term growth in recent years.
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