Maserati Quattroporte

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Trust me, learn about some of the classic Masers and then come back and I say you don't like any of them.

Well I have done my visual inspection of all Maseratis from the 50s on and I don't find any particularity attractive and for me to really love a car I must find it good looking or at least decent.

I am not sure how my view on Maseratis or hot hatches is ignorant - I may not know as much about either as you do or as much as cars in general as you but that doesn't make my opinion necessarily ignorant.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

Well I have done my visual inspection of all Maseratis from the 50s on and I don't find any particularity attractive and for me to really love a car I must find it good looking or at least decent.

I am not sure how my view on Maseratis or hot hatches is ignorant - I may not know as much about either as you do or as much as cars in general as you but that doesn't make my opinion necessarily ignorant.

What about the 60's or the 70's?

And are you telling me that this is awful?

And by the way how can't I call you view of Maseratis or hot hatches ignorant if you don't know about them? You cannot dismiss something if you don't know about it.

[LotusLocost]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

Well I have done my visual inspection of all Maseratis from the 50s on and I don't find any particularity attractive and for me to really love a car I must find it good looking or at least decent.

I am not sure how my view on Maseratis or hot hatches is ignorant - I may not know as much about either as you do or as much as cars in general as you but that doesn't make my opinion necessarily ignorant.

1954 - 1957 Maserati 250F - Images, Specifications and Information

1959 - 1960 Maserati Tipo 61 Birdcage - Images, Specifications and Information

1957 Maserati 450S Costin Zagato Coupe - Images, Specifications and Information

1954 Maserati A6 GCS/53 Pinin Farina Berlinetta - Images, Specifications and Information

1954 - 1957 Maserati A6G/54 2000 Zagato Coupe - Images, Specifications and Information

How can you find these cars not attractive?
If you call this unattractive, I would like to see which cars from the same period you find attractive.

[Kitdy]

I find those cars neutral or unattractive - I am quite adverse to every Zagato creation I have ever seen.

From that era, I'd have to say the 410 Superamerica, 250 GT California, 250 GT SWB, '59 Cadillac Eldorado, and SL 300 for example are all worlds better than those Maseratis and any other Maserati frankly - barring the Birdcage Concept which is absolutely stunning and possibly the recently facelifted Quattroporte.

Do you prefer the Maseratis of that era or the cars I mentioned of that era? The Maseratis may appeal to more of a niche or so called "refined" taste but I think the classic beauties of the cars I mentioned make the Maseratis seem utterly outclassed.

[Wouter Melissen]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

I find those cars neutral or unattractive - I am quite adverse to every Zagato creation I have ever seen.

You are too blind.

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

What about the 60's or the 70's?

And are you telling me that this is awful?

And by the way how can't I call you view of Maseratis or hot hatches ignorant if you don't know about them? You cannot dismiss something if you don't know about it.

Well, I looked at the Ghibli and it just doesn't really do anything decent for me.

I am not a fan of

My view on hot hatches I don't believe is ignorant - I am just personally opposed to performance versions of what I see as econoboxes. Is that ignorant, or just a matter of opinion?

What is my ignorance of Maseratis? We are having a discussion on style and I have investigated every production Maserati and my comments on them not being as much of a drivers' car as their brethren form Maranello probably rings true with the possible exception of the Bora and Merak.

Is that ignorant or a reasonably valid statement?

What are you asking me about the 60s and 70s?

Another thing, why such the shock as to my dislike of the majority of Maseratis?

As we all learned form Sly and the Family Stone, diff'rnt strokes, for diff'rnt folks.

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by Wouter Melissen

You are too blind.

And you too kind.

Did you read the other cars I liked form that era? As I stated, generally more regarded as classic beauties.

[Wouter Melissen]

The Ghibli was designed by Giorgietto Giugiaro, the greatest automotive designer of the 20th designer. The Ghibli is among his finest work. What I find most amazing that you seem to discard all Maseratis regardless of coachbuilder or designer.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by Kitdy

My view on hot hatches I don't believe is ignorant - I am just personally opposed to performance versions of what I see as econoboxes. Is that ignorant, or just a matter of opinion?

It's ignorant when some of those econoboxes are great drivers cars. I suspect the problem is that on your side of the Atlantic hot hatchbacks aren't well regarded and the ones you have are mostly rubbish.

Originally Posted by Kitdy

What is my ignorance of Maseratis? We are having a discussion on style and I have investigated every production Maserati and my comments on them not being as much of a drivers' car as their brethren form Maranello probably rings true with the possible exception of the Bora and Merak.

Aha, now you're coming round. We had the Birdcage and Quattroporte, now you may also like the Bora and Merak. Well it's a start.

[clutch-monkey]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

It's ignorant when some of those econoboxes are great drivers cars.

yeah, cars like the renault clio, DC2 integra, original mini, pulsar GTiR, familia GTX etc etc all come to mind.

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by Wouter Melissen

The Ghibli was designed by Giorgietto Giugiaro, the greatest automotive designer of the 20th designer. The Ghibli is among his finest work. What I find most amazing that you seem to discard all Maseratis regardless of coachbuilder or designer.

I found this perplexing as well, but to be honest I see a lot of design elements repeated. Giugiaro may be the greatest automotive designer in the eyes of some, but that doesn't mean he has the Midas touch - not all his creations need to be fantastic. I must admit that the Ghibli is one of the prettier Maseratis and certainly very interesting to look at.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

It's ignorant when some of those econoboxes are great drivers cars. I suspect the problem is that on your side of the Atlantic hot hatchbacks aren't well regarded and the ones you have are mostly rubbish.

Aha, now you're coming round. We had the Birdcage and Quattroporte, now you may also like the Bora and Merak. Well it's a start.

I still don't think that makes me ignorant - I said I disagree with the philosophy of so called hot hatches - that ain't being ignorant at all. I'm not really interested in the styling of the cars, the fact that they are fwd, or that they often have 4 bangers. I just read a review of one of these cars and it completely reaffirmed my dislike of these cars. I am sure there are exceptions to the hot hatch phenomenon for me, and I would classify the R32 as one of them. I have only heard good things.

As for the Bora and Merak, don't put words in my mouth. I never said I liked them, just that they would be drivers cars possibly of the ilk of Ferrari.