Ferrari 195 Inter

[Matt]

Ferrari 195 Inter (1951)

[NicFromLA]

The under the hood restoration isn't as good as the others and it's hard to tell from the pictures how good the car overall is.

Are those pumps some sort of manual lumbar support?

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by NicFromLA

The under the hood restoration isn't as good as the others and it's hard to tell from the pictures how good the car overall is.

what do you mean? i think this car is in very good condition, and the engine bay confirms it, imo. it's not perfect, but in a car nearly 60 years old perfection would seems more like rebuilding than restoration, imo.
you can/must not hide the signs of time. they are part of the car and its advetures.

[NicFromLA]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

what do you mean? i think this car is in very good condition, and the engine bay confirms it, imo. it's not perfect, but in a car nearly 60 years old perfection would seems more like rebuilding than restoration, imo.
you can/must not hide the signs of time. they are part of the car and its advetures.

I take it you aren't familiar with the world of vintage Ferrari collecting? I can tell from just the pictures that this isn't anywhere close to a 100 point car. Ferrari collectors don't look for "signs of adventure" they look for a car that is as close to the way the car looked when it left the factory as physically possible. Right or wrong, that's the name of the game.

[Odin]

Believe me, none of the overestored 'Pebble Beach Trailerqueens', left like this the Factory. Its american taste, nothing else. Maybe you'll like these more.
Regards
Jörg

[NicFromLA]

Originally Posted by Odin

Believe me, none of the overestored 'Pebble Beach Trailerqueens', left like this the Factory. Its american taste, nothing else. Maybe you'll like these more.
Regards
Jörg

Many are over restored, but many aren't. The Pinninfarina cars, particularly with the Lampredi engine, were built for Royalty and Billionaires (billionaires in the 1950s) so when those cars were delivered they were flawless.

Plus, unlike a lot of other cars, not as many 100 point Ferraris are Trailer Queens as you'd think. The fact is the people who have enough money to buy them and restore them have enough money to drive them and restore them again.

[Odin]

If you believe this, its OK for me, but italian Coachbuilders were never known for perfect work. Most Cars are driving like trucks.
I came to the conclusion, in every meeting, they show the tools for the Cars, maybe you will need them, to leave the place.

[NSXType-R]

I understand your point of view when you say that you can restore them to factory condition, but I think there's a growing following of unrestored beauties.

I wouldn't know of any examples of these unrestored cars going for high prices though.

Any other members know about this stuff?

The main draw for it being unrestored is that if it is all original equipment, it can only be original once. And if it's in such good condition as is, it would possibly be expensive.

[Odin]

Everybody has his own Philosophy, some like it original, some like it restored and some like it overrestored. You will find Persons, who agree with a Car and others, who disagree. We can start a Discussion, about Originality and we will never come to any conclusion. It's better, to enjoy the pictures and some information and let the Discussion to the 'Experts'.
But in general, Racing Cars were built in a hurry for Racing and not for Showbusiness. Ferrari built a small Number of Street Cars, do you think, he was a important Client for the Coachbuilders? Maybe for this, most old Street Ferraris are ugly. Very few are really beautiful.

[NicFromLA]

Originally Posted by Odin

most old Street Ferraris are ugly. Very few are really beautiful.

You obviously don't know anything about cars. Might I suggest a Barbie forum or something like that.

[Ferrer]

I personally think those pre-250 Ferraris are great. Understated and elegant. Much like their 50's Italian counterparts.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by NicFromLA

You obviously don't know anything about cars. Might I suggest a Barbie forum or something like that.

everybody is entitled to his taste even if it deviates from common beliefs

[Wouter Melissen]

Originally Posted by Odin

Ferrari built a small Number of Street Cars, do you think, he was a important Client for the Coachbuilders? Maybe for this, most old Street Ferraris are ugly. Very few are really beautiful.

Of course Ferrari was an important client for coachbuilders. Marketing is not something invented in the 1990s. Ferrari's exclusive deal with Pinin Farina gave the company a new appeal and it rubbed off on any other car bodied by the company. Also do you really think that the customers that could afford these cars would let either Ferrari or Pinin Farina get away with sloppy work?

I know for a fact that there are plenty of Ferrari collectors that drive their cars. Last year I chased one in his California together with NicFromLA along Lake Como. This collector drives his Colombo and Lampredi engined Ferraris on a most regular basis and yet they are still regular Concours winners. Maintaining cars to this level is not easy, but it can be done.

[Odin]

Wouter,
I really like Ferrari and any Italian Car, I think its great, that some Collectors are still driving their Cars. But with my 'little' experience, in restoring italian Cars and driving them daily, you must be an enthusiast and very rich, like Nicks Father, to do this. PF did some Highlights, like the S I Cabriolet, the Passo Corto,or the Superfast II, but an 212, or 250 Inter-Europa, or America isn't nice for me. i never liked the Ghia Ferraris and if you compare Touring Street Ferraris, with other Touring Work, they are ugly, for my taste.
But thats just my opinion. Others could have different Opinions, its OK.
For me it was every time more important, how drives a Car, not 55 Miles Highway Cruising, I mean really driving.
Regards
Jörg

[LeonOfTheDead]

i am not a rich man who drive an expensive old ferrari everyday...but i would like...and if i would be one...i will of course like to have my car well restored and functional as it was in its glory days, but a car 50/60 years old which looks shiny and nearly new isn't natural, it's like a 50/60 years old woman which sees too often her plastic surgeon.
i really appreciate people like jay leno who drives his old Bugatti (type 57 but not so sure) in nowadays traffic to go to work, but i do not like when men want to stop time to preserve everything as it is when they decide to do it. something like, i am not a fan of global warming and i would prefer to drive more efficient cars (i said efficient, but this does not mean i would buy a prius...i would rather say "efficiently funny"), but people, and politicians, must understand that climate changing are pretty obvious on a planet. then, men have some responsibility, that's sure, and this is not so obvious for the planet.

IMO.