Lexus HS250h

[cmcpokey]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not every car can be an enthusiast's car. It's this type of car, the econobox, that make the IS-F possible.

so where's the positive?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by cmcpokey

so where's the positive?

The IS-F is an amazing car with an unfortunate chin.

[cmcpokey]

Originally Posted by Matt

The IS-F is an amazing car with an unfortunate chin.

and an unfortunate transmission, and an unfortunate handling setup. pretty much just unfortunate.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not every car can be an enthusiast's car. It's this type of car, the econobox, that make the IS-F possible.

Well at least this one won't make it across the ocean...

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Can I just ask the dumb question:

Isn't the entire point of efficiency a removal off the unnecessary elements of a product? such as....say, luxury?

All this efficiency blunted with heavy electronics & sound deadening.

All in all then, a car to be seen to be doing something about the environment in.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Can I just ask the dumb question:

Isn't the entire point of efficiency a removal off the unnecessary elements of a product? such as....say, luxury?

All this efficiency blunted with heavy electronics & sound deadening.

All in all then, a car to be seen to be doing something about the environment in.

There's something to be acknowledged about hybrid car owners.

They don't want to save the world, they just want you to believe they are saving it.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Although to be fair when it comes to stuff like tolls, congestion charging etc they actually make financial sense.

but for an enthusiast.....you'd have to be barking mad.

Why make something look like an Uglier Corolla Sedan?

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Although to be fair when it comes to stuff like tolls, congestion charging etc they actually make financial sense.

but for an enthusiast.....you'd have to be barking mad.

Why make something look like an Uglier Corolla Sedan?

You could also buy a diesel (not in the US though...).

On the other hand this is a clear indicator that Lexus has no interest whatsoever for the enthusiast.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Well lets face facts - Toyota is a business first & foremost.

As are most car companies. the Difference is how well they hide their true intent

[NicFromLA]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

There's something to be acknowledged about hybrid car owners.

They don't want to save the world, they just want you to believe they are saving it.

Well said.

Originally Posted by Ferrer

You could also buy a diesel (not in the US though...).

On the other hand this is a clear indicator that Lexus has no interest whatsoever for the enthusiast.

I disagree. I really like the IS-F; I haven't driven one yet but I've sat in one and heard it and it seems to be a car designed to appeal to enthusiasts and the reviews are outstanding.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by NicFromLA

I disagree. I really like the IS-F; I haven't driven one yet but I've sat in one and heard it and it seems to be a car designed to appeal to enthusiasts and the reviews are outstanding.

The IS-F can be a pseudo attempt at a sports saloon (altough why is it riced and has an auto?). But everything else from Lexus has no interest for the enthusiast whatsoever.

And it's a shame really, since the original IS was quite a good start for Lexus.

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by NicFromLA

I disagree. I really like the IS-F; I haven't driven one yet but I've sat in one and heard it and it seems to be a car designed to appeal to enthusiasts and the reviews are outstanding.

I read a comparo and it finished dead last up against the M3, C 63 AMG, and RS 4 I think it was so reviews may be outstanding but if they are then reviews for the other three are more than outstanding.

[NSXType-R]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Can I just ask the dumb question:

Isn't the entire point of efficiency a removal off the unnecessary elements of a product? such as....say, luxury?

All this efficiency blunted with heavy electronics & sound deadening.

All in all then, a car to be seen to be doing something about the environment in.

The Toyota Camry apparently is quite luxurious as it is. It can be had with leather and nav.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The difference between features & Luxury is not difficult to see when every car can be had with leather & nav.......