middle east v.s. world power

[mduhair]

im gonna start off by saying that i base my argument on that america and israel are the same ( if u wish to discuss why that is, i will be happy to explain ) ... well ... america has the strongest water force ... water is 70% of the world ... therofore natuarlly it controls the whole world ... furthermore its plan for taking over the middle east is a very effective one ... they aimed for the center of the middle east .. which is palestine, lebanon, syria , jordan , iraq , around there and they started taking them out one by one .... first sadaam hussain (iraq leader) , yasser arafat (palestinian leader), Rafik Hariri (lebanese leader) , no need to even mention jordan cuz its known as state 53 ( state 53 = joke , ment as it is already part of america ) .... if they establish a strong base in the center of the middle east , they basically control it ... and if that were established , they no longer have to worry about their 2 main attack reasons, oil and muslims. And plz if you really think that THE PRESIDENT OF IRAQ SADDAM HUSSAIN ( a multizillionaire with mad power ) was actually found in a fu**king hole in the ground looking like shit ... i feel sorry for you ... and plz dont waste your life reading the rest of my disscussion ... politics is a game much bigger than our mere public minds and opinions to comprehend ... one more time i will say that the bottom line is america is trying FIRST to diss islam and muslims and try to spread missiterpretations about islam in any way possible ... second , they wouldnt mind taking our oil while their at it ..... look back into history ... one of the primary things that enemies try to do when they invade another contry is that they try to change their language which in turn helps change the peoples religion. Ok , going on to another country, lets take palestine for eaxmple ( otherwise known as israel ) ... all these fu**ing fake bomb attacks ... i have seen it with my own eyes ... im a palestinian myself ... what israel does is look for palestinains that would be willing to take $$$$ to go shoot a bullet at one of their camps, so lets say the fu**ers felt like destroying a neighborhood close to one of their bases so they can expand a bit ... they tell you to go shoot from that neighborhood ... a couple of hours later 50 houses are blasted leaving nothing but dead and injured people under piles of rock. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUNNY PART IS ... I LIVED IN CANADA FOR 5 YEARS AND I NEVER SEEN , NOT ONE SINGLE TIME , A PICTURE OF A ISRAELI POLICE GO INTO A MOSQUE AND SHOOT 100 PEOPLE WHILE THEY ARE PRAYING !!!! but instead you see pictures of "terrorist" kids throwing rocks at TANKS ... and they dont even mention the kid is throwing rocks cuz they killed both his parents 2 days ago, raped his sisters and took away his brothers ( to god knows were ) ..... television and news is a very powerful tool that they are using too , they want to cover the public eyes over the real truth of whats going on ... they get those tapes from "terrorists"
that threat to bomb a place or kill a prisioner and focus on it without saying anything about why that kid or guy whom the call a fu**ing terrorist is doing this .... they dont say why a 15 year old kid bombs a restaurant or mall in israel and tapes a message which we see on the news of himself , its because ((1))he saw his parents get slaughtered in front of his own eyes ((2)) he saw his sisters raped in front of his own eyes ((3)) his house destroyed ((4)) israel take some of his families land that they live off ... simply no family or future left for him ! thats why these kids do it , its not because our religion or quraan teaches us "terrorist" bullshit, thats all just a bunch of crap used to cover the truth , which as well serves as a beutifull and perfect excuse for U.S.A and israel to take over middle east and kill more people ....

im getting tired of writing ... this is a very vast subject bigger and more complicated than all our minds to understand ... bottom line is that america is after the middle east ... and they gonna get what they want .... unless a miracle happens

[henk4]

Originally Posted by mduhair

they wouldnt mind taking our oil while their at it

Not that I would argue that the oil belongs to the USA, but can you tell me why you think it is YOUR oil?

[mduhair]

so your saying that oil in iraq for example actually belongs to usa ?

[mduhair]

i was reffering to the middle east in general and how the oil supply here is targeted by usa u noob

[henk4]

Originally Posted by mduhair

i was reffering to the middle east in general and how the oil supply here is targeted by usa u noob

Immediately starting to call people names won't help you convincing them. If you would care to read other threads on this forum related to political issues you may notice that my support for the foreign policy of the USA is let's say marginal. The way you are bringing forward your arguments however does not invite me to continue my participation in your thread. I am sorry but you have to try better than that.

[mduhair]

all i am saying is the truth and nothing but the truth ... i lived in the middle east and in north america and i was able to compare both sides and find out what the truth really is about this subject ....
however .... calling you a noob didnt infact help me in anyway other than it gave me the comfort of being able to express my anger on such a dumb remark instead of just sitting there

[Coventrysucks]

It isn't a "dumb" remark, it is quite a good point.

Oil is the remnants of dead trees buried for millions of years, created by nature.
What gives any group ownership?

What gives Iraq more claim to the oil than the USA?

Anyway, I am slightly concerned that the USA seems so interested in gaining control of the Middle East.

I'm sure any concerns linked with their national security could be worked out equally well with diplomacy and cooperation than invasion and "democracy".

Just because the Iranian govt. don't want to talk to the US isn't an excuse for the US to just give up and start the military posturing.

[man 430gt]

I think it 'belongs to the middle-easten countries because maybe because it is on 'their land'. And I may be a muslim but this is the truth, I have read the whole quran in Arabic AND English and it doesn't state anywhere that you should go and kill.
Just as Mduhair was saying. And if you remember Islam means Peace not terrorist.

[spi-ti-tout]

Damn. No spelling. No fullstops. Smileys in the wrong places. No apostophies. No presentable nature.....etc etc etc

I'm not even going to try and say anything.

Leave it to Matra and Crisis

P.S: I get the feeling Muslims in this forum are starting to feel uncomfortable. Guys, relax, none of us here ever said anything about you being bombers and such. Just spammers
[J/k]

[tallguynate]

Well, from the U.S. side of the fence, I would just like to say that I don't really agree with "our country's decision" to go to war, and continue it to this extent. There are many of us who did not want Bush back in office for this reason. This is why the last election was for all purposes of argument about half and half.

I obviously don't believe that our justification for war was the correct one as no "WMD" were found, but I do think that for the sake of the Iraqi people, it is a good thing that Saddam was removed from power. I have an Iraqi friend who had to flee with his family to America after his brother was killed by the police, and many of the Muslims in my community were grateful that Saddam was dethroned.

Basically I think that we should just let the Iraqi people have their newly found freedom, and take our troops out of there. I don't think, or at least I hope not that the US wants to use this as a foothold to gain control of the middle east. Changing anyone's language or culture is a stupid idea.

[Rockefella]

Originally Posted by mduhair

all i am saying is the truth and nothing but the truth ... i lived in the middle east and in north america and i was able to compare both sides and find out what the truth really is about this subject ....
however .... calling you a noob didnt infact help me in anyway other than it gave me the comfort of being able to express my anger on such a dumb remark instead of just sitting there

So you want us to take your opinion of, "The oil belongs to us middle-easterners" as the truth? Last I heard was that the truth has to be a FACT.
Edit: I am not trying to say that the USA has the right to this oil, no one really does.

[Coventrysucks]

Originally Posted by man 430gt

'belongs to the middle-easten countries because maybe because it is on 'their land'.

If you dug a hole in you garden and found oil, what do you reckon the chances are that you could successfully claim it as yours?

[d-quik]

Originally Posted by mduhair

therofore natuarlly it controls the whole world

No it does not. For every country you list that the USA controls I can list three that the USA does not countrol.

Originally Posted by mduhair

they no longer have to worry about their 2 main attack reasons, oil and muslims

Muslims are not a problem to the United States in general. My co-workers who are muslim do not feel that the United States is the enemy to muslim in general. If you would like to argue this please provide some anti-islamic actions taken the the United States and I will try to interpret them

Originally Posted by mduhair

SADDAM HUSSAIN ( a multizillionaire with mad power ) was actually found in a fu**king hole in the ground looking like shit ... i feel sorry for you

Can you explain yourself on this one? I thought he was found in some fortified hole.

Originally Posted by mduhair

plz dont waste your life reading the rest of my disscussion

I think I WILL read the rest of your discussion.

Originally Posted by mduhair

america is trying FIRST to diss islam and muslims and try to spread missiterpretations about islam in any way possible

Can you provide an example of the USA spreading misinterpretations about muslim?

Originally Posted by mduhair

AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUNNY PART IS ... I LIVED IN CANADA FOR 5 YEARS AND I NEVER SEEN , NOT ONE SINGLE TIME , A PICTURE OF A ISRAELI POLICE GO INTO A MOSQUE AND SHOOT 100 PEOPLE WHILE THEY ARE PRAYING !!!!

How is that funny, I'd rather not see the pictures.

Originally Posted by mduhair

but instead you see pictures of "terrorist" kids throwing rocks at TANKS

WHERE? what pictures? WHEN DID YOU SEE THEM!?!??!

Originally Posted by mduhair

its because ((1))he saw his parents get slaughtered in front of his own eyes ((2)) he saw his sisters raped in front of his own eyes ((3)) his house destroyed ((4)) israel take some of his families land that they live off ... simply no family or future left for him ! thats why these kids do it

That is a very shitty reason

Originally Posted by mduhair

this is a very vast subject bigger and more complicated than all our minds to understand

Yes, I can tell.

[Matra et Alpine]

Under accepted international law, oil belongs to the company who invest in the exploration to find it. Countries provide exploration licences to those who wish to invest the MILLIONS of dollars to find the oil. Those contain contracts on the subsequent rights of exploitaion of the oil fields ( if any are found ).

Private companies invested LOTS of money in the early 1900s finding oil with th eunderstanding they would recover their investment by being able to recover hte oil and sell it. With appropraite taxes and payments to land owners etc.

UNFORTUNATELY, some nations then deicded to "nationalise" the oil compaies - ie steal them illegally from their rightful CONTRACTUAL owners. The fact tat previosu governments had signed contracts was ignored.

So it's NOT as clear cut to claim "our oil" as being resident on the land. Especially in the middle east where if you go back 500 years it was nomadic tribes Which 'tribe" gets to own it ??

[henk4]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

So it's NOT as clear cut to claim "our oil" as being resident on the land. Especially in the middle east where if you go back 500 years it was nomadic tribes Which 'tribe" gets to own it ??

Just wondering whether the Koran has a chapter dedicated to natural resources