Casey Sheehan

[my porsche]

what do you guys think of this?

its basically a woman who's son died in iraq camping outside bush's ranch claiming she wants bush to answer why he murdered her son, and no im not exaggerating, she said that.

i think ben stein summed it up well today:

"saying george w. bush killed casey sheehan is like saying that FDR killed all those hundreds of thousands of people in WWII"

Originally Posted by Casey Sheehan's Mother

"On April 4, Palm Sunday, we got the word that Casey had been killed in an ambush," Cindy Sheehan wrote in her essay. "The first chance he got, my brave, wonderful, faithful, sweet, gentle and kind boy volunteered for a rescue mission … Casey and 20 of his buddies were sent into a raging insurgent uprising to rescue wounded soldiers. Only 13 of them returned."

im surprised this hasnt been discussed here before...or maybe its in one of the many fleet v. matra threads

[Wouter Melissen]

There is no real connection between the war in Iraq and the second world war. In WW2 the US helped liberate invaded country from a third country. Iraq is a lot more similar to Vietnam where the 'great liberator' has felt it time to liberate a country from its own countrymen.

[spi-ti-tout]

I knew about this for a very long time but refrained from posting it here.

[drakkie]

its just pathetic.period.

[Matra et Alpine]

It's a sad example of a parent not coming to terms with a terrible loss and NEEDING to blame someone.

As the leader who took the American forces INTO the war then the buck does stop at GWB. A previous great president once had "the buck stops here" on his desk. Shame they dont' make that compulsory as part of the swearing in for modern leaders !!!

For me, the questino is .... did she protest whiel here son was in the Army and stationed oversease ? ( ie being callous ... was it "OK" to take the money as long as he lived ?? )

[spi-ti-tout]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

For me, the questino is .... did she protest whiel here son was in the Army and stationed oversease ? ( ie being callous ... was it "OK" to take the money as long as he lived ?? )

Nope. 2 months after her son died she met with Bush and it was all alright. He even gave her a compliment and kiss on her cheek. THEN it was OK. But 2 years after the death of her son suddenly she gets over the shock. I mean, WTF? So far there has been no report of her ever protesting at anytime when he was overseas. I don't want to rally for Bush or anyone else but this is just pathetic, so I've deicded not to care or take any notice of it at all. Of course, you can now imagine what the poor souls at rr.com had to talk about for 3 weeks

[GT F1]

what's rr.com?

[Matra et Alpine]

Might it be possible that she accepted the patriotic line until some of the truths are being more widely reported and accepted ? Maybe she foudn how to change channel from FOX

[ScionDriver]

I read a guys opinion about this and I think he summed it up quite well it was basically along the lines of if she is so upset when her son got killed why did she let him enlist, she had to know that he would get sent over there and his life in danger. By protesting she is really just showing that she has no support for our troops and so really in a way she is not supporting America at all.

[my porsche]

wow, even the most left of our members are saying this is pathetic so it MUST BE!


yeah its not like there was a draft, her son enlisted of his own will, and she is just dishonering her son and his contribution to america by doing this

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

Originally Posted by Wouter Melissen

There is no real connection between the war in Iraq and the second world war. In WW2 the US helped liberate invaded country from a third country. Iraq is a lot more similar to Vietnam where the 'great liberator' has felt it time to liberate a country from its own countrymen.

An excellent point. I can't believe that they have the gall to call them 'wars' they are more like 'invasions'.

And in WW2 the Yanks were obscenely late, and only got involved as soon as they had the living crap kicked out of them by the rather plucky Japs.

Nice guys, huh- they invade countries for the fun of it, and only help an ally when they are attacked by the opposite side.

I'm sure all our American UCPers (Fleet aside) are a jolly decent set of blokes though!

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by ScionDriver

I read a guys opinion about this and I think he summed it up quite well it was basically along the lines of if she is so upset when her son got killed why did she let him enlist, she had to know that he would get sent over there and his life in danger. By protesting she is really just showing that she has no support for our troops and so really in a way she is not supporting America at all.

or consider this ....

say you got a job in a garage service workshop
You do brake and oil changes and advise on any other work needing done
You're happy and things are OK.
THEN the boss comes in and tells everyone that he wants to charge for oil changes but ONLY to do the change if the oil is off and to replace brake pads and charge the custeomre whether they need pads or not.
OK, you may chose to go along with that for a while.
THEN a very poor family come in with 6 kids, struggling to survive and you have their car to work on
Do you charge for the unecessary work or not ?
You chose not to and someone else does it and charges them.
This happens to you again and again.

At whichc potin woudl YOU blow the whistle ?

Noe think of the parallels. Whilst it was hte occasinoal car and guys who coudl afford it you didnt' mind. You justified by YOU not doing it. BUT finally the iniquity of the owernesr deceit forces you to go public.

Now, what do you think about her rationale on complaining NOW ??

[my porsche]

i didnt understand that, how is she blwing a whistle? her son volunteered...

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by my porsche

i didnt understand that, how is she blwing a whistle? her son volunteered...

it is called ANALOGY.

You guys

Equate her 'feelings' that lead her to campaign with the 'feelings' experienced in the first person in the analogy.

[Fleet 500]

Originally Posted by IWantAnAudiRS6

And in WW2 the Yanks were obscenely late, and only got involved as soon as they had the living crap kicked out of them by the rather plucky Japs.

That's because we had a liberal President.
However, WWII began on Sept. 1, 1939 and ended Aug., 1945. The U.S. entered in Dec., 1941, much less than halfway through, hardly "obscenely" late. Don't forget the U.S. was supplying Great Britain with war material under the lend-lease act before we entered the war.