Who actually cares about "global warming"? And is cutting CO2 important?

[henk4]

Originally Posted by The BIG BAD

And that the most prolific green house gas is water vapour.

yes, but has it not been said to you before that it is not the absolute amount that counts, but the proportions? As you are probably aware it takes very little to disturb an equilibrium....

[dydzi]

Originally Posted by NicFromLA

I 100% believe global warming is real. However, most of the things I've read state that cars are a small contributor to it.

However I have a modest proposal:
Make cars lighter. They will be cleaner and more fun to drive.

indeed, that's my opinion - aside from wether global warming is a problem or not, cars aren't really the biggest contributor! why isn't so much social talk about ships that are using thousands of petrol and coal power plants in china and US

as to making the cars lighter - it's a paradox: they can't be lighter as they need to be safer. and they need to be safer and more efficient at the same time

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Originally Posted by McReis

Appart from a few posts, this thread is a spectacular display of stupidity.

Thanks for a spectacular display of intelligence and insight into the issue.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Thanks for a spectacular display of intelligence and insight into the issue.

sometimes it is needed to actually say the obvious.....

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Well bluntly if he wanted to say the obvious what he could have done was use the same opportunity to put forward his infallible and correct viewpoint.

At the moment he just comes off looking arrogant but ill-informed.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Well bluntly if he wanted to say the obvious what he could have done was use the same opportunity to put forward his infallible and correct viewpoint.

At the moment he just comes off looking arrogant but ill-informed.

You must be familiar with the expression: Pearls before swines.....

sometimes people put forward such grotesque arguments that any debate become really futile.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Perhaps so. But by the same token people still argue with Fleet500.......

[henk4]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Perhaps so. But by the same token people still argue with Fleet500.......

he is on my ignore list (together with a few others)

[IBrake4Rainbows]

A wise move - likely to save your brain from any stress-related injury. I've heard banging it against a brick wall so many times can't be good for your health.

However as I am Australian I have managed to subvert the argument off to another tangent. so I'll work on getting it back on the right one.

Both sides of the Global Warming argument are playing politics with facts and fears. It's just another battleground for those who like the status quo and those who prefer never to have tread upon this earth.

In such a world where my shoes come from China, My car from Sweden, my TV from Japan and my Air conditioner from South Korea, transport - of a land, sea and air variety - is generally considered to be one of the worst examples of pollution.

But of course, Hippies need their neon Croc shoes and Hemp-handbags, riding on Chinese made bikes on Rubber from farms in third world countries, so there unlikely to complain about that.

[McReis]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Well bluntly if he wanted to say the obvious what he could have done was use the same opportunity to put forward his infallible and correct viewpoint.

At the moment he just comes off looking arrogant but ill-informed.

Honestly, when you pick up arguments and thoughts just like these below, you lose all the will to engage in a conversation.
Do you really believe that people with this kind of thinking in 2008 deserve your arguments? I really don't like to addopt the "to good for you" attitude, but this is putting the level of discussion far too low.

Originally Posted by kingofthering

No.

As an apathetic American teen, I honestly don't give a damn either way. I just want a license (earned of course) so I can finally get people to shut up about the irony of knowing stuff about cars yet not being able to drive.

Originally Posted by ErWin76

One man can't do SHIT about global warming, so i don't care.

Originally Posted by baddabang

Global warming is simply a plot to make certain individuals more wealthy than they were before.

Originally Posted by ripper46

Climate change may or may not exist, I am not an expert, but to be honest I don't give a ckuf right now.

[drakkie]

Originally Posted by aiasib

Interesting comments, but make no mistake. Climate change, like evolution, IS NOT just a theory.

Climate change is not, however the greenhouse effect (=global warming caused by humans) IS a unproven theory. They are still not sure about it, they only have highly inconclusive "evidence" which doesnt prove a thing.

The past decade the environmental lobby has gone to extremes to try and convince everybody that they story is the truth, but as with any theory it gets rejected when our knowledge increases. A new theory comes in it's place until definitive scientific observations give proof.

A lot of companies (for example Toyota, Shell, biofuel producers etc.) are making A LOT of money from this hype, so it will definately keep going for a while. My common sense not to follow the crowd and think first before making a decision. To me all this seems one big hype and until it is proven by facts, figures, measurements and scientific research I will not get involved. I try to boycot as much as possible "green" products, on purpose. I am not gonna pay double for something that is maybe 10% more in value. I certainly am not going to change my lifestyle for it.

I am not saying here that polluting is good. It is not ok to put toxics in the waters and stuff like that. But the global warming swindle is going too far IMO.

Originally Posted by Wouter Melissen

The Tesla is hardly an alternative now is it? It's not like electricity grows on trees. It would not surprise me if the Tesla was actually more polluting and less efficient than a modern petrol or diesel car. Charging batteries takes enormous amounts of energy and then the electricity has to be generated as well.

The energy generated in powerplants is generataed much more efficient than it is in vehicles. The powerplants (plus all the secondary systems involved), have an average of 40% efficiency. A combustion engine has 30% efficiency (not even counting the rest of the production and distibution process).

The Tesla makes little use of batteries, but does include a lot of supercaps. These are high capacity condensators which store energy highly efficiently(97%-ish I have been told).

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Originally Posted by McReis

Honestly, when you pick up arguments and thoughts just like these below, you lose all the will to engage in a conversation.
Do you really believe that people with this kind of thinking in 2008 deserve your arguments? I really don't like to addopt the "to good for you" attitude, but this is putting the level of discussion far too low.

You don't think it's even a little pious?

Apathy is a genuine response to the topic. while I agree it does show a little.....ignorance, making such comments as you have simply brings you down to the same level of conversation importance.

If you don't have something constructive to say, keep your thoughts to yourself

[henk4]

Originally Posted by drakkie

The energy generated in powerplants is generataed much more efficient than it is in vehicles. The powerplants (plus all the secondary systems involved), have an average of 40% efficiency. A combustion engine has 30% efficiency (not even counting the rest of the production and distibution process).

how does electricity arrive in your house? A divine socket?

[McReis]

Originally Posted by drakkie

To me all this seems one big hype and until it is proven by facts, figures, measurements and scientific research I will not get involved. I try to boycot as much as possible "green" products, on purpose. I am not gonna pay double for something that is maybe 10% more in value. I certainly am not going to change my lifestyle for it.

I wouldn't go as far as saying I won't change my life style. Of course I keep doing more or less the same stuff, but new worries are part of my daily life such as:

- minimum use of water, specially hot water (yes, I still bath).
- re-using and recycling as much as possible
- use of energy-saving lamps, etc.

To keep it short: everything that is undeniably good for the planet (and even saves you some money).

It might be just a hype, but if we are not to blame, who is? Mother nature? Sorry, but that's just a comfortable way to lighten your conscience.
Maybe we are doing just a very little difference with our eco-attitude, but until we know better and more efficient ways...

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Originally Posted by henk4

how does electricity arrive in your house? A divine socket?

He runs a Generator.

and by run I mean he runs around his house in woolen socks, on carpet, to stimulate electricity.