Who actually cares about "global warming"? And is cutting CO2 important?

[McReis]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Apathy is a genuine response to the topic. while I agree it does show a little.....ignorance, making such comments as you have simply brings you down to the same level of conversation importance.

If you don't have something constructive to say, keep your thoughts to yourself

Sure. It is far more clever not to chose a clear point of view and keep scoring for both teams.
Thankfuly, I can live with the fact that my opinions aren't universally accepted and that some might even not care to argue back.
I rather be black or white than grey.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Sometimes, when one does not know about the issue, Grey is all there is.

as for not choosing a side, Apathy essentially is a vote for the status quo, and leaves these people hated by those so keen for change.

[faksta]

Well, not voting above, cause don't have a car.
Talking about a global warming, how can you explain that in about recent 10 years there was no winter in Russia as cold as it should be. Sometimes the weather in January was even wet with water under feet.
Though I don't think it's all mainly because of cars - many other things can pollute Earth not less then cars. AFAIK, smokers cause a very hard damage to an atmosphere...

[kingofthering]

Originally Posted by McReis

Honestly, when you pick up arguments and thoughts just like these below, you lose all the will to engage in a conversation.
Do you really believe that people with this kind of thinking in 2008 deserve your arguments? I really don't like to addopt the "to good for you" attitude, but this is putting the level of discussion far too low.

Er.... you do know I was being semi-sarcastic.

I believe it exists but we can't really do much about it.

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

He runs a Generator.

and by run I mean he runs around his house in woolen socks, on carpet, to stimulate electricity.

made with kitten fur... (sorry, couldn't resist) .

[jediali]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

He runs a Generator.

and by run I mean he runs around his house in woolen socks, on carpet, to stimulate electricity.

have you seen drakkies basement?



Seriously though thermal efficiency of petrol engines are as low as 25% . And by saying "...A combustion engine has 30% efficiency (not even counting the rest of the production and distibution process). " Im sure you know that he meant that the car efficiency relates to a product that requires further inneficiencies (big or small) to produce.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by jediali

have you seen drakkies basement?



Seriously though thermal efficiency of petrol engines are as low as 25% . And by saying "...A combustion engine has 30% efficiency (not even counting the rest of the production and distibution process). " Im sure you know that he meant that the car efficiency relates to a product that requires further inneficiencies (big or small) to produce.

Sure, but many of these inefficiencies are also involved in producing and distributing electricity, whereby hydro power might give the best conventional solution, (nuclear has its own specific problems...)

[McReis]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Sometimes, when one does not know about the issue, Grey is all there is.

as for not choosing a side, Apathy essentially is a vote for the status quo, and leaves these people hated by those so keen for change.

Another good neutral reply.

[CapnBoost]

I don't dispute global warming, as the earth is in fact- warming. I dispute anthropogenic global warming. Another thing i take issue with is a global tax to try to stop it.

Assuming that we did start this thing, there is very little you can do with just money to stop this train from rolling. The most logical course of action imho is to prepare to deal with the consequences.

However, the polar bears are not going extinct, the antarctic ice sheet is thickening, and a stones throw from a glacier that people often go to to see global warming in action- lies a glacier that's growing. It's not the only one.

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by Wouter Melissen

The Tesla is hardly an alternative now is it? It's not like electricity grows on trees. It would not surprise me if the Tesla was actually more polluting and less efficient than a modern petrol or diesel car. Charging batteries takes enormous amounts of energy and then the electricity has to be generated as well.

Electric cars are feasible in some markets. In my province, 60% of energy comes from nuclear or hydro-electric.

[roosterjuicer]

Originally Posted by faksta

Talking about a global warming, how can you explain that in about recent 10 years there was no winter in Russia as cold as it should be.

i thought i read somewhere a month or two ago that it was the "coldest winter ever". and im pretty sure minnesota or one of those almost canada states recorded record lows this year too.

[faksta]

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

i thought i read somewhere a month or two ago that it was the "coldest winter ever". and im pretty sure minnesota or one of those almost canada states recorded record lows this year too.

It was just about 5 days when the temperature was near 20 below in the very beginning of this year... Not so long as previously.

[baddabang]

Originally Posted by McReis

Honestly, when you pick up arguments and thoughts just like these below, you lose all the will to engage in a conversation.
Do you really believe that people with this kind of thinking in 2008 deserve your arguments? I really don't like to addopt the "to good for you" attitude, but this is putting the level of discussion far too low.

Look at carbon credits. You can honestly sit there and say that nobody is getting rich off global warming?

[kigango123]

Originally Posted by zeppelin

Brilliant.

Do you realize that while yes, it takes more than one man, when everyone thinks like this nothing gets done. It's kind of like the person who says 'no one will notice if I don't vote, I'm just one person'. However when thousands think like this, that's when nothing gets done.

I, personally am still divided on the global warming issue, however I don't dispute there's obviously noticeable climate change. On one hand, the world has seen massive warming and cooling trends over its millions of years in existence; but then again we're seeing lots of changes occur quicker than normal. So who knows. I personally ditched my car when I moved downtown, and now I walk/bike/TTC transit it everywhere. I figure for now cars and the suburban lifestyle are wasteful and unnecessary, and true or not, trying to be more environmentally conscious is the way to go.

I salute you for your diligence to the enviroment. But you my friend, live a fairly suburban and hippy lifestyle . I currently live in alabama, a place that if one is lucky if they pick up the trash consecutively for a month, there is almost a non-existant recycling program and ditching the car is an unviable and stupid option since school, work and home are relatively far away, before that i lived in kenya where one dug a big hole at the back of the plot for all your trash and another deep hole for his or her latrine, one did not have cars, one has matatus(Passenger trucks converted to public transport) and buses with no mufflers and no catalytic converters, and ones biggest enviromental worry was if the river water was clean or you would have to move 10km upstream to get your daily water supply.

My point is that even if the enviroment is at peril, in the real world it is ill advised and pointless to try and do anything about it because you cant, you simply cant. I try and picture somebody passing flyers about the global warming in my home village in kenya and i just start laughing.



P.S: when i say real world, i mean somewhere other than the upper class towns of these superpowers countries i.e. rural areas and most parts of any second and third world countries

[-What-]

Originally Posted by ZeTurbo

a tesla roadster is better than many sports cars out there.still pretty expensive though.

An instant clue that you have far too much trust in the media. What Tesla Roadster is better than many sports cars? WHICH ONE? OH WAIT, THERE AREN'T ANY. There is no consumer data for you to base your claims on. For all we know the Tesla Roadster could be a boring, fragile, piece of SCAM. Lets wait until a customer receives a car to pass judgement. By the way, the only road-test I've seen for the TESLA are from pre-production mules given to some magazines. And even in those magazine test they acknowledged that the car couldn't be "tracked" or driven hard for extended periods, had smaller than advertised range, and didn't corner as well as they expected. And as already mentioned, just because the pollution created by the Tesla isn't seen doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Energy isn't free and most "socket power" comes from fossil-fuel burning PLANTS.

Originally Posted by ZeTurbo

Those of you who say its not harming anyone, pick up a book and read. You have to be blind/ignorant/stupid to actually think global warming is just a conpiracy backed by the worlds scientists.

How about YOU pick up a book and read, and put down the magazines and newspapers that have brainwashed you. What obvious signals are there that global warming exist? BECAUSE IT'S HOT OUTSIDE? The temperture averages today aren't the highest they've been in the PREVIOUS 200 YEARS. As recently as the early 1900's saw tempertures higher than what they are today. Global warming can suck an apple. Ima rock with BIG CARS if I want as long as I can afford the gas.

One man in an F-150 hauling AIR in the truck-bed...THAT'S ME

[Blue Supra]

Id gut my cat convertor and run on leaded race fuel at the drop of a hat.