Who actually cares about "global warming"? And is cutting CO2 important?

[ZeTurbo]

I find the most attention should be given to how "greenly" we produce electricity. It is one of the biggest sources of GHG emissions. Everyting and everyone needs electricity, and its demand is ALLWAYS growing.
But then again every time you get tid of a coal/diesel Power plant 20 appear in chine.

Originally Posted by Wouter Melissen

The Tesla is hardly an alternative now is it? It's not like electricity grows on trees. It would not surprise me if the Tesla was actually more polluting and less efficient than a modern petrol or diesel car. Charging batteries takes enormous amounts of energy and then the electricity has to be generated as well.

I know. But so far it is one of the only alternatives as far as "green" sports cars are concerned.
I'll bet its more efficient than the R8 diesel V12

[ZeTurbo]

Originally Posted by -What-

An instant clue that you have far too much trust in the media. What Tesla Roadster is better than many sports cars? WHICH ONE? OH WAIT, THERE AREN'T ANY. There is no consumer data for you to base your claims on. For all we know the Tesla Roadster could be a boring, fragile, piece of SCAM. Lets wait until a customer receives a car to pass judgement. By the way, the only road-test I've seen for the TESLA are from pre-production mules given to some magazines. And even in those magazine test they acknowledged that the car couldn't be "tracked" or driven hard for extended periods, had smaller than advertised range, and didn't corner as well as they expected. And as already mentioned, just because the pollution created by the Tesla isn't seen doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Energy isn't free and most "socket power" comes from fossil-fuel burning PLANTS.

MOTOR TREND doesnt think so. or
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And allthough no one has actually made a standard mesasured road test, .impressions are that it is a nice little sports car.
Besides, i was only using the tesla as an exampole of a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by -What-

How about YOU pick up a book and read, and put down the magazines and newspapers that have brainwashed you. What obvious signals are there that global warming exist? BECAUSE IT'S HOT OUTSIDE? The temperture averages today aren't the highest they've been in the PREVIOUS 200 YEARS. As recently as the early 1900's saw tempertures higher than what they are today. Global warming can suck an apple. Ima rock with BIG CARS if I want as long as I can afford the gas.

One man in an F-150 hauling AIR in the truck-bed...THAT'S ME

You really are thick as a wall arent you?

Global warming refers to the fact that certain regions are actually getting warmer and the ice is melting faster than before.
Glaciers take Thousands of years to form. So these MUST be photoshoped right?


And yes glaciers melt in between ice ages but its is the rate at which it is happening that is alarming. I ll repeat for you. It is the rate which it is happening that is alarming, and that indicates that what we are seeing is not cyclic behaviour.
Also Since it is happening faster than usual species do not have the time to adapt as they previously did. Causing many of them to be threatened of extinction.The polar bear is a perfect example here.

Speaking of the poles, Since the ice caps are melting, the sea level is rising, areas like the nederlands , san francisco, new york., shangai and many others risk massive flooding displacing millions.

Iknow cars are not the only issue to adress in what regards GHG emissions, but it IS part of that issue.

And -what- keep on rocking your F-150untill yo can afford it. Oh and that might not be very far away, unless you think that oil is not a limited resource, in that case... just WOW.

[-What-]

Originally Posted by ZeTurbo

MOTOR TREND doesnt think so. or
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And allthough no one has actually made a standard mesasured road test, .impressions are that it is a nice little sports car.
Besides, i was only using the tesla as an exampole of a step in the right direction.

Like I said, keep your head out of the magazines. Advertisements and car manufactures really run the car magazine scene. Motor Trend loved the Aztec too...they also gave praise to the new Chrysler Sebring. We won't really know how the magazines felt about a current model until the next model arrives...that's how it works. We won't know if a Tesla Roadster is "better than most sports cars" until non-benefitting CUSTOMERS get them and began to submit consumer reviews.

Originally Posted by ZeTurbo

Global warming refers to the fact that certain regions are actually getting warmer and the ice is melting faster than before.
Glaciers take Thousands of years to form. It is the rate which it is happening that is alarming, and that indicates that what we are seeing is not cyclic behaviour.
Also Since it is happening faster than usual species do not have the time to adapt as they previously did. Causing many of them to be threatened of extinction.The polar bear is a perfect example here.

And -what- keep on rocking your F-150 untill you can't afford it. Oh and that might not be very far away, unless you think that oil is not a limited resource, in that case... just WOW.

How do we know that the Glaciers are melting at "an alarming" rate? What previous REAL experience do we have? And where are those pictures taken from? What times of the year? Because really....(see attachment)
And I WILL keep rocking my F-150 because gas ain't going anywhere for a LONG, LONG TIME. Don't believe the "gas is running out next week" foolishness. There is plenty of oil left on Earth...there just hasn't been the need to access it yet. Current oil reservoirs are doing fine though.

[ZeTurbo]

I guess you didint read the part where i said glaciers take THOUSANDS (not 10 not 100 not 1000 but many 1000) years to form, not a winter like you show. You DO realise that thousands of years imply thousands of winters dont you?

Also, We DO have proof of previous glacier activity.
Ever seen a valley? Yea that was most likely formed by a glacier. by the marks that they leave on the rocks we can tell when and how fast it was going when the glacier formed and receded.

So please, stop talking out of your ass. stop trying to argue about something you know NOTHING about, and try to learn.

[CapnBoost]

At the same time some glaciers are receding, others are growing. The earth has shown a remarkable ability to support life.

I've looked in to both sides, i've determined that i will do nothing to change my lifestyle or carbon use. I will continue to recycle what i can and will keep the catalytic converter on my car until it hits the 20 year exemption.

Regardless, even if i did buy a prius and set up a green home in arizona with a solar panel windmill, hydro-power and a bacterial water closet it wouldn't do a lick of difference because china is still gobbling up all the energy resources it can.

Of course, then people would ***** that i'm driving a car that has expensive toxic batteries that need to be replaced, my solar panel is an eye sore and my windmill kills birds, my hydropower is interrupting the sanctity of nature and my crapper is made of non-biodegradeable plastic.

[SlickHolden]

It's real, When you see a country have cyclones torandos what ever they are we don't have them, But when they start to pop up we get nerves something is different.

We got country going from Record lows to my state record highs in March, 12-13 days of 30deg+, Summer is over it's gone it's been something like 12deg higher on average just this month.
We are in a drought, We don't see the rain it's rare, Then when it does rain it's so heavy it blocks the drains floods the roads and misses the water catchments.

I bought a car cover for my car last year and within 3 months it was thin and tore apart from the harsh conditions, It was heavy duty thick.

My part is small but everything helps,
We recycle 95% of or waste, Which means we don't have to put out normal rubbish every week, We are smart with water no watering the plants or grass, Grass isn't allowed anyway.
I don't use the Gas heater very much it's got to be cold to stick that on,
I changed all the globes in the house with energy saving globes been like that now for over 12 months, My energy supplier is using renuable energy to supply our power,
We wash clothes only with a full wash, don't use plastic bags anymore.

It might seem small but if every home went to energy saving lights the world would see a huge difference.

World first!
Australia slashes greenhouse gases from inefficient lighting
In a world first move, the Australian Government is taking action to phase out inefficient light
bulbs.
The step, announced today by Minister for the Environment and Water Resources, Malcolm
Turnbull MP, should reduce Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions by 4 million tonnes by 2012.
The reduction in emissions will increase as the phase out progresses and the annual average
reduction between 2008-2012 is estimated at around 800,000 tonnes.
However, by 2015 the annual cut in emissions will have soared to an estimated 4 million tonnes per
annum.
Household lighting costs can be reduced by up to 66 per cent.
“The most effective and immediate way we can reduce greenhouse gas emissions is by using
energy more efficiently,” Mr Turnbull said.
“Electric lighting is a vital part of our lives; globally it generates emissions equal to 70 per cent of
those from all the world’s passenger vehicles.”
“But it is still very inefficient. We have been using incandescent light bulbs for 125 years and up to
90 per cent of the energy each light bulb uses is wasted, mainly as heat.”
“A normal light bulb is too hot to hold – that heat is wasted and globally represents millions of
tonnes of CO2 that needn’t have been emitted into the atmosphere if we had used more efficient
forms of lighting.”
“These more efficient lights, such as the compact fluorescent light bulb, use around 20 per cent of
the electricity to produce the same amount of light.”
“A compact fluorescent light bulb can last between 4 and 10 times longer than the average
incandescent light bulb, which can lead to major savings in household energy costs.”
“While they may be more expensive to buy up front, they can pay for themselves in lower power
bills within a year.”
In Australia, lighting currently represents around 12 per cent of greenhouse gas emissions from
households, and around 25 per cent of emissions from the commercial sector.
Working with its state and territory counterparts, the Australian Government will gradually phase
out all inefficient light bulbs and is aiming for full enforcement of new lighting standards
legislation by 2009 to 2010. Special needs areas, such as medical lighting and oven lights, will be
taken into consideration.
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The Government will also work with the world’s largest manufacturers of light bulbs, including
China, to broaden the benefits beyond Australia.
“The International Energy Agency has estimated that if all countries made the global switch to
compact fluorescent lights that by 2030, annually it would save energy equivalent to more than 5
years of Australia’s current electricity consumption,” Mr Turnbull said.
“The climate change challenge is a global one. I encourage other countries to follow Australia’s
lead and make the switch to more energy efficient products like compact fluorescent light bulbs.”

[Fleet 500]

Originally Posted by ZeTurbo

Global warming refers to the fact that certain regions are actually getting warmer and the ice is melting faster than before.
Glaciers take Thousands of years to form. So these MUST be photoshoped right?

And yes glaciers melt in between ice ages but its is the rate at which it is happening that is alarming. I ll repeat for you. It is the rate which it is happening that is alarming, and that indicates that what we are seeing is not cyclic behaviour.
Also Since it is happening faster than usual species do not have the time to adapt as they previously did. Causing many of them to be threatened of extinction.The polar bear is a perfect example here.

Speaking of the poles, Since the ice caps are melting, the sea level is rising, areas like the nederlands , san francisco, new york., shangai and many others risk massive flooding displacing millions.

Don't worry, the ice has shrunk before.

[-What-]

Originally Posted by ZeTurbo

I guess you didint read the part where i said glaciers take THOUSANDS (not 10 not 100 not 1000 but many 1000) years to form, not a winter like you show. You DO realise that thousands of years imply thousands of winters dont you?

I realise how long it takes the average glacier to form and I did not dispute this in my post.


You are falling for the trap. I don't want to sound like most other people in this thread, but fear controls people. People control people with fear...ala President Bush with his "TERRORIST" shenanigans.


Exactly where is that picture you posted from. I could explain a logical reason for the "glacier" melt to you if you give me this information.

[Zytek_Fan]

The glacier on Mount Saint Helens in Washington State came back and it's quite large too


There is a global warming, but we do not know yet how much of an affect humans have, because we haven't been around long enough to experience a natural global warming.

We do need to do a better job of taking care of our planet though.

[-What-]

This is ridiculous.

People related exhaust isn't dooming Earth.



So what if a Polar Bear dies because his home is melting. If his home is melting, it's probably natural. Species die off, this is natural. What about the dinosaurs? Who killed them? US!!! Scientist studying glaciers will tell you that they are not sure if global warming is causing the glacier to melt faster and they are also not sure if this is the fastest the glaciers have been melting. All theory.

Back in the day, they said the ice caps were melting because the sun rays were reflecting off of the ice and destroying the ozone layer thus causing more sun to breach onto the ice. But now that the death of the "ozone-layer" is played out, and "el-nino" is forgotten, GLOBAL WARMING is "what's hot".

Whatever.

The government created AIDS too.

[Zytek_Fan]

The ozone layer is coming back, so anyone claiming ozone destruction now is probably lost in a bygone era.

[nota]

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

The ozone layer is coming back, so anyone claiming ozone destruction now is probably lost in a bygone era.

And the restoration of the ozone layer is attributable to the banning of CFCs, ie human intervention

[-What-]

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

The ozone layer is coming back, so anyone claiming ozone destruction now is probably lost in a bygone era.

I suspect that the people who were claiming ozone destruction have jumped onto the GLOBAL WARMING bandwagon. After global warming proves to be a bust, where will they go next? TIDAL WARMING? Death by sea burns?


More proof global warming is bullsh#t.

HOTTEST SUMMERS IN THE U.S. SINCE 1930

1. 1936@74.73 degrees Fahrenheit
2. 2006@74.50
3. 1934@74.27
4. 2002@73.89
5 1988@73.86
6. 1933@73.59
7. 1931@73.50
8. 2003@73.45
9. 1937@73.40
10. 2001@73.37

Avg Summer Tempertures....holy dog balls, tempertures aren't increasing...at least not in the summer anyways. If there were a global warming phenomenon, it happened in the 1930's.

SlickHolden's stories of destroyed car covers due to cosmic radiation breaching through the raped and gaped ozone and being magnified by globally warming Carbon Dioxide is nothing more than imagination and cheap car covers. THE HARD TRUTH SHOWS THAT THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERIC TEMPERTURE IS NOT STEADILY INCREASING. HOW CAN HARD FACTS BE IGNORED?

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The Destruction of the Ozone Layer is a Scientifically proven exercise - Satellites and Scientists testing in Antarctica have proven it.

Even the most skeptical critic of Global warming can't ignore the Ozone Hole.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by -What-

THE HARD TRUTH SHOWS THAT THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERIC TEMPERTURE IS NOT STEADILY INCREASING. HOW CAN HARD FACTS BE IGNORED?

Eco-Economy Indicators: TEMPERATURE - Global Temperature Rise Accelerating

have a look please...