Who actually cares about "global warming"? And is cutting CO2 important?

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Originally Posted by roosterjuicer

why is that? dont artists need to compete with eachother to make money?

Artists enter competitions, sure. but they don't compete in the traditional "WOO HOO WE'RE NUMBER 1" stuff.

[-What-]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

The fact you call them "competitive" artists shows your complete lack of understanding of the artistic world.

your knowledge.....it's faulty.

My knowledge is supreme. If I were to be an artist, and I weren't able to "compete" successfully against other artist, I wouldn't eat. Professions are competitions. My skills need to be noticed and desired. If you are not good, you need to switch professions. If I were to be an artist and not worry about being competitive...then why would I be a PROFESSIONAL...why not just paint and design at home for myself.

The fact that you don't understand the necessity of competition shows your complete lack of understanding of LIVING.

Originally Posted by CapnBoost

I wish i knew where this 20m figure was coming from. From what i've read, the IPCC report is talking about the sea level rising over a course of 300 years and an increase in temperature over the next 100 years of about 1.5 degrees. In the last 100 years the temperature increased roughly 1 degree, i'm not sure about the sea level.

The hockey stick is taken from mathematical models and estimations from ice bore holes and all sorts of imprecise calculations. If you would like to claim that those are temperature meters accurate to one tenth of one degree then so be it. I'm not certain that i believe that the tools to measure temperature available in the 1700's were accurate to 5 times that (.5 degrees) furthermore you have to account for *global* temperature. Were these devices in place all over the globe? The answer is no.

Long story short- the earth is warming, how much and how fast we don't know exactly. What can we do to mitigate the consequences to populated areas- we know that, but instead we'd rather throw billions (trillions?) of dollars at a mechanism so large it's ridiculous to think we can alter it.

Local weather patterns are not necessarily caused by global warming. US hurricane strength is not due to global warming. etc, etc.

This FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) mongering is exactly why i won't buy anything that these chicken littles are selling. They don't even read their own material. It makes me raaaaaaaaaage.

Me and you are seeing eye-to-eye on this subject.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Originally Posted by -What-

My knowledge is supreme. If I were to be an artist, and I weren't able to "compete" successfully against other artist, I wouldn't eat. Professions are competitions. My skills need to be noticed and desired. If you are not good, you need to switch professions. If I were to be an artist and not worry about being competitive...then why would I be a PROFESSIONAL...why not just paint and design at home for myself.

The fact that you don't understand the necessity of competition shows your complete lack of understanding of LIVING.

I somehow manage to live my life without being an arrogant imbecile. It's not that hard. I suggest you try it.

So essentially you are saying, in your own perverse fashion, that you have no talent, and no credibility to say anything on the issue.

So why are you still talking?

[Matra et Alpine]

Originally Posted by -What-

My knowledge is supreme.

roflcopter !

If I were to be an artist, and I weren't able to "compete" successfully against other artist, I wouldn't eat. Professions are competitions.

Rubbish.
Do you have a job ?
In "employment" it's not only the best person who gets paid, everyone else does too you know

then why would I be a PROFESSIONAL...why not just paint and design at home for myself.

erm, coz you can't pay yourself ?

The fact that you don't understand the necessity of competition shows your complete lack of understanding of LIVING.

WOW !!
You're sounding like a 12 year old again
You confuse competition and contest. There is not only one "winner" in a competitive market ... if so we'd all be using ONE make of computer, ONE make of TV, ONE make of car etc etc etc

[IBrake4Rainbows]

The one thing with artists is that to compare one's work to another in a competitive context is meaningless unless they are asked to fulfill the same criteria.

But of course, you're superior knowledge and intellect would have known this. after all, you did win the colouring in competition at chuck-e cheese

[Clivey]

OK, although breaking the "rule", I haven't bothered to read the majority of this thread (I will, I just don't have time right now), so for now I'll just skip to my initial thoughts:

I'm undecided as to just how much impact I think the human race is having upon the climate of this planet. The problem is that there are far too many agendas clouding the issue (pun intended) and unfortunately all of the hot air doesn't look like it's getting out of our faces anytime soon.

So for now, surely the best policy is to reduce emissions/waste etc. where it's most appropriate, responsible and sensible to do so? The current emphasis on cars, electronic equipment on standby etc. is completely ridiculous and is nothing more than a political money-laundering tool.

There are a lot of people sprouting rubbish at the moment - one such example I've seen here in the UK was in a student's magazine the other day, advising people to turn down the thermostat in their house by 10-degrees celsius. Now, the average room temperature is 22-degrees - dropping that by 10 is going to cause serious problems for the occupants of that premises.

Another is the "recycling" scheme my local council has put in place, which requires you to use water to wash-out bottles, cans etc before putting them in a recycling box for the refuse collectors to collect every fortnight.

Several problems with that:

- Wasting water cleaning material like metal and glass (that you're going to melt-down anyway) is a false economy.

- The boxes they provide for recycling aren't large enough, have no lids (so animals can rummage around in the rubbish) and are so light they get blown around by the wind, which causes rubbish to be strewn-about everywhere. Nice.

- Fortnightly collection is ridiculous as it means that your bins/boxes are overflowing by the time you want them collected. This causes people to load-up their cars and make unnecessary journeys to the local amenity tip.

It seems these days that the lunatics are running the asylum.

[MRR]

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

I'll reduce energy use at home, but I refuse to give up sportscars and such for slow hybrids.

Which is the primary source of your CO2 emissions anyway. Cars only account for 15-20% of CO2 emissions in states. Get some more insulation, CFCs, get a smart thermostat, seal your doors, double pane windows, etc. Hell go out and put some solar panels on your roof (which is actually becoming cheaper) and you will be making more of an impact than getting rid of your beloved car.

[jcp123]

Well...I was never really all that interested, so I can't even say I lost interest Blame National Geographic Magazine. Long story.

I suppose we help a little...I'm the "light nazi", always going around the house turning off lights and other electricity thieves when they're not actually being used. Then again, I drive a massively polluting car built before pollution controls, so I probably offset all the good I do at home

We did used to recycle, but when we moved here, we found there's no recycling program to speak of.

[MadMax13]

Only when the last tree is dead
The last river is poisoned
The last fish caught
Will we learn that you cant eat money...

Global warming is REAL, those you of that say "one man cant do shit, so **** it" are just using an excuse not to do something simply because your too damn selfish and greedy...

[roosterjuicer]

Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows

Artists enter competitions, sure. but they don't compete in the traditional "WOO HOO WE'RE NUMBER 1" stuff.

they do compete in the traditional, "i need to make better art than the next guy so the people who buy art pick my art over the other guy so i can afford to eat, sleep, and buy more art supplies" kind of ways.

[Fiorano]

it is not that we don't care or don't buy into it, it is just the media and the people pointing fingers just are doing a "pass the buck"
blaming cars and personal transport where how much pollution would be saved if Every building had solar panels and windmills were in more places and all municipal vehicles (given a central location and service place) were either electric or natural gas or hybrid something
personal transportation should be the last thing impacted or even assualted by this hysteria...something can be done and industry (that is big business and manufacturing and China) does flick all to kerb their emission and 'carbon footprint.'
we have pretty much done away with two strokes....and cuurrent catalyst technology work at 95+% efficiency the problem really is elsewhere

[MadMax13]

Im responsible, DEFINATELY not as much as the rest of the world, but i contribute. I try to lessen my impact by recycling, driving as little as possible, turning off the water, lights, heat, AC, etc. when im not using them. Its just the people that give some bullshit excuse like that to make themselves feel justified for being too inconsiderate to make an effort...

[Sledgehammer]

Im reading a book called State of Fear by Michael Crichton. Its a book which confronts lots of "global warming" issues and such. Its a work of fiction with terrist plots and government insighting fear to the population to maintain social control, basically bringing a new thing for citizens to fear after 1989 and the fall of berlin wall / cold war. Its pretty interesting and he uses real data to support arguements both for and against the theory of global warming. The data is recent and often contradictory to the media's biased and government supported idea's. I recommend it to anyone who likes reading and global warming/ environmentalists.

[Badsight]

mankind cant get past his greed

those with wealth & power will never give it up so other groups of people can benefit

the next/current wars (physical as well as economic/political) are going to be over resource grabbing & hording (water , oil)

as long as human beings are in charge of resources , they will never be used fairly or sustainably

[Badsight]

isnt it crazy

we are running out of oil , yet we STILL have racing being organised the world over

the coming generations will label us the most self-centered & greedy humans to ever live