997 GT3 REALLY being driven

[MrKipling]

This bloke's a lord! There's a particular highlight about 1 minute in - it may well be Walter Rorhl, if it isn't he makes Tiff Needell look like well... me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXpnn...arch=911%20gt3

[RazaBlade]

Thanks so much for that link!! The beauty of the car is it actually makes all of that look effortless! Superb

[jorismo]

Wow, that really is a great vid and an even greater car! Thanks so much!

[Jack_Bauer]

Good find Mr K.

Anyone reckon it might be the same German fella who did this video with the Carrera GT last year? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PD9Z...h=carrera%20gt

Tim Schrick his name is. Seems to have a broadly similar driving style to the guy in the GT3 (ie sideways, a LOT! ).

[Matra et Alpine]

wow, demonstrate how good an investment of £60K is by making it go round corners SLOWER

Sorry guys it "looks good" in the same way triple wings and a fart can makes a Honda "look good" in a F&F kind way

Drifting -- the new curse after ricing on REAL performance driving !!!

[Vaigra]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

wow, demonstrate how good an investment of £60K is by making it go round corners SLOWER

Sorry guys it "looks good" in the same way triple wings and a fart can makes a Honda "look good" in a F&F kind way

Drifting -- the new curse after ricing on REAL performance driving !!!

Was thinking the exact same thing.
I've noticed on 5th Gear it's all they're obsessed with. When testing the Gallardo SE, Plato said it wasn't easy to get sideways and that didn't make it a good car. It's not supposed to go sideways! He know's that yet he still puts across to less knowledgable viewers that sideways is somehow better. Also, isn't the fact that there isn't much chance of you getting the back end loose better for a day to day average driver than a car that the average driver will cause an accident in if trying to remotely push it?

[Matra et Alpine]

Not watched 5th gear for ages.
BUT it used to be Tiff Needell ( a legend in his own mind ) would chuck it around getting it sideways and drifting it and THEN when they went for the fast lap it was ALL much smoother and no show-boating.

[RazaBlade]

He was only doing it on the hairpins, and I always thought thats why they did the same in rally driving.... otherwise why do they not drive normally in that too?

[derekthetree]

Originally Posted by Vaigra

Was thinking the exact same thing.
I've noticed on 5th Gear it's all they're obsessed with. When testing the Gallardo SE, Plato said it wasn't easy to get sideways and that didn't make it a good car. It's not supposed to go sideways! He know's that yet he still puts across to less knowledgable viewers that sideways is somehow better. Also, isn't the fact that there isn't much chance of you getting the back end loose better for a day to day average driver than a car that the average driver will cause an accident in if trying to remotely push it?

aah jason plato. god's greatest gift to the driving seat

[Vaigra]

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

Not watched 5th gear for ages.
BUT it used to be Tiff Needell ( a legend in his own mind ) would chuck it around getting it sideways and drifting it and THEN when they went for the fast lap it was ALL much smoother and no show-boating.

Yeah they both do it in the show-off laps, but when talking about the Gallardo, it's what he said that confused me. Why would you want to lose the back end easily? Surely it's better if the car sticks to the road better and doesn't swap the nose and tail so easily.

[Jack_Bauer]

Originally Posted by RazaBlade

He was only doing it on the hairpins, and I always thought thats why they did the same in rally driving.... otherwise why do they not drive normally in that too?

Rally drivers tend not to have the back end out at all on dry tarmac where possible. It's only on the slippery stuff that they purposely have the car sliding around. They might pop the handbrake for the REALLY tight hairpins, but the kind of wider hairpins that the Porsche driver was on a WRC driver would have all 4 wheels firmly nailed to the tarmac, ready to launch it out of the corner.

For what it's worth, I don't object to people drifting around. They aren't trying to go fast, that is not what it's about. It's about having fun and showing a bit of finesse and panache behind the wheel. Whilst it may not get you round a track or stage quickly, it DOES take a fair amount of driver skill to control a car beyond the limit like that.

[RazaBlade]

Thanks for the correction. It looked damn good going around, and even though he was throwing it around, it seemed very controlled.

[MrKipling]

That does annoy me about Fifth Gear - Top Gear may be 'totally irrelevant' but at least they're honest about it - Fifth Gear try to position themselves as a What Car type show, then they send Tiff round Anglesey to put superminis into stupid lift off oversteery type situations.

Still, do agree with you guys about the whole drifting thing in general, although when it's done in the manner that bloke does it (rather than the Carrera GT guy!) it does demonstrate incredible car control. He was so smooth - the slide round the hairpin was a perfect line - and, although he was undoubtedly showing off, he wasn't hanging around either! There was no 'bwaarp, bwaarp, bwaarp' type stuff, just lovely sweeping 911 style slides - great stuff - near as damn it as enjoyable as it would be to watch Walter hammer round the ring.

EDIT: The road does look damp in that vid in bits

[McReis]

Originally Posted by Vaigra

Was thinking the exact same thing.
I've noticed on 5th Gear it's all they're obsessed with. When testing the Gallardo SE, Plato said it wasn't easy to get sideways and that didn't make it a good car. It's not supposed to go sideways! He know's that yet he still puts across to less knowledgable viewers that sideways is somehow better. Also, isn't the fact that there isn't much chance of you getting the back end loose better for a day to day average driver than a car that the average driver will cause an accident in if trying to remotely push it?

The point is that if you buy such car, you won't drive it like in a drift competition, but the rear bias ads fun to it. And when you know how to drive fast, having the possibility of throttle-steer a car is very welcome, and it can help a lap time if you can keep it around the limit.
What's the point of having an amazingly efficient car if it is no fun to drive?
That's what happens with some Impreza versions. They are bloddy fast and sound good, but they understeer more than a average FWD. In real-life what is more important: lap-time or fun?

[netburner]

Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer

Good find Mr K.

Anyone reckon it might be the same German fella who did this video with the Carrera GT last year? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PD9Z...h=carrera%20gt

Tim Schrick his name is. Seems to have a broadly similar driving style to the guy in the GT3 (ie sideways, a LOT! ).

Mr Schrick is working for Motorvision, a show in german tv station "DSF". This was AMS TV in "Vox", so it must be another driver. The magazine AMS TV is from the german car magazine Auto Motor und Sport, so they know how to drive cars and have enough good drivers (some are the same that do the magazine Sport Auto, famous for its Supertest )