What that car should have been in first place?!

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

The peak of the 911 family was reached in 1972 with the Carrera RS. Since then nothing has bettered it and nothing ever will probably. On the other hand the 993 was a nice highlight too.

I'm more into the 964

Originally Posted by Ferrer

No, what's worse of all in my opinion is that after unveiling the Granturismo Carcerano and the Granturismo Stilnovo the new Delta doesn't feel special at all. An opportunity missed in ym opinion. Altough it seems that now they want to introduce a million sportscars which I don't quite understand.

too many things changed between those concepts and these days, but I admit I would l like a 3 door version very similar to the Stilnovo Concept...--> HF --> WRC

[70cuda88]

2006 Roush 427 Ford Mustang vs. 2008 Saleen S302E Ford Mustang

Both amazing performers, but the new saleen just smoked the roush in performance this year with 185 more horsepower and imo much better looks

[LeonOfTheDead]

Porsche Cayenne Vs Fornasari RR
I know, this is a weird comperison, but I hope you'll get my point.
forget about the need for money of Porsche, and the silly people who buy th Cayenne.
it isn't a Porsche, that's for sure, eve if it handle well, as a SUV of course, but it's basicly a VW Touareg, with VW (original) and Audi (modified) engines, comfy interiors and...nothing more, from my point of view. but Porsche do have some "rally heritage" with the old 911 and the experimental 959 at the Paris-Dakar, so my idea is that they should have built a proper tout terrain car, with eventually a more comfortable version to satisfy the market and obtain a bigger selling number.
so, imho, they should have built a Fornasari in first place. I am aware that the Fornasari is kinda ugly, but the Cayenne isn't good looking in my book. I'm talking about the characteristics of the car, it's ability in off-road. but with Porsche engineering capabilities and refinements.
btw, the Fornasari factory is quite near where I used to live in Padua, four years ago, with my parents, but I never saw one.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

some "rally heritage"

Some? They won the International constructors championship in 1970 and the Montecarlo Rally four times.

The problem with the Cayenne is that any Porsche that doesn't have a boxer engine behind the seats isn't a Porsche.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Some? They won the International constructors championship in 1970 and the Montecarlo Rally four times.

I was rhetorical...

Originally Posted by Ferrer

The problem with the Cayenne is that any Porsche that doesn't have a boxer engine behind the seats isn't a Porsche.

...I like the 928...but I understand that since Porsche insisted so much on the 911, everything different from it is difficult to accept as a Porsche. in a way, wrong marketing, for the enthusiast point of view.

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by LeonOfTheDead

...I like the 928...but I understand that since Porsche insisted so much on the 911, everything different from it is difficult to accept as a Porsche. in a way, wrong marketing, for the enthusiast point of view.

Well actually Porsche wanted to replace 911 with the 928. Up to the point that in the late 70's and early 80's they simply stopped developping and investing in the 911.

However people kept buying the 911 and that prompted Porsche to start spending money in the aging 911 again. They first introduced the full convertible 911 Cabriolet in 1983 and the rest is history.

And also the 911 has an illustrious racing history. The 928 has almost no racing history to speak of. Finally the 911 survived the 928.

In my view if your cars have defining characterisitcs better stick to them. It'd be like actually buying Lotus which isn't a lightweight sportscar. The 928 is a good car but if I want a front engined rear wheel drive V8 Grand Tourer I'll buy a Maserati or something.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

In my view if your cars have defining characterisitcs better stick to them. It'd be like actually buying Lotus which isn't a lightweight sportscar. The 928 is a good car but if I want a front engined rear wheel drive V8 Grand Tourer I'll buy a Maserati or something.

ok, good point, you convinced me

in this case, the message for Porsche is: stop doing over 100.000 cars a year. stop doing silly SUV to improve selling numbers and do not introduce hybrid and diesel version of that SUV to low your emissions.
actually, I think that without the Cayenne the number of cars sold per year could be so low that they wouldn't need to low the emission levels. probably eve the average emission level would be lower.

[LeonOfTheDead]

My last victim:
new BMW 7 Series Vs aging BMW 5 Series
I looked at the pics and videos of the new 7 series in the last couple of days, and besides some critics to its banal and ugly (in some parts, as the front air intake, imo) look, I have this feeling, especcially when looking at the ar moving in the videos: do it with a shorter bonnet and you would have the new 8still to be unveiled) 5 Series. the bonnet job would be possible since the 5 series never came with V12 engines.
what I mean is that the car look smaller than what it is but not in a good way, it appear less special, less expensive. maybe is because of it isn't so different from the previous E65 in the overall shape and interior. I was expecting another revolution. maybe it isn't to prevent another little flop on selling numbers.
I'm aware the new 5 series is far from being revealed, but this, the F01, in my mind, doesn't fit the role of being the new flagship in the BMW line-up.

[Ferrer]

BMWs are just fugly except the 3er Coupe.

And that's well... that's it, isn't it?

[faksta]

The 5 series could be much closer to a new 7 - I have some pics of one of its projects, will scan them as I get the possibility, as my main PC is not working now, so as scanner. The reason is a room refreshing, so maybe up to 1 week.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Originally Posted by faksta

The 5 series could be much closer to a new 7 - I have some pics of one of its projects, will scan them as I get the possibility, as my main PC is not working now, so as scanner. The reason is a room refreshing, so maybe up to 1 week.

just yesterday I re-installed the OS (vista, unfortunately) in my notebook after an epic fail of the hard disk...the Hp customer service provided me the new hd since the pc it's only 5 months old, but since they don't perform the back up oh broken HD, it was up to me to save all my tons of gigabytes of pics, which is kinda of problem if your hd is broken. windows machine (both xp and vista) simply crashed or slowed down if connected to my hard disk both via motherboard or usb. a linux machine (ubuntu 7.1) told me that the volume was unmountable but that the data were not lost, while the Mac (intel) of my father simply read the disk allowing me to save all my data. wow.
after this, I gifted myself an external 750 GB Seagate for 92 €, 30% off.

with this, I lost 2 Hitachi, 3 Maxtor and 1 Western Digital hard disks

and, back on topic, I don't like the new 3 Series coupe too, the rear end is simply disproportioned, too small, looking at the front part. but I began to dislike BMW since two generations ago...

[Kitdy]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

BMWs are just fugly except the 3er Coupe.

I've seen that car in person sometimes and each time it was an event for me - it is maybe the best looking car that I see on a somewhat regular basis.

[NSXType-R]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

BMWs are just fugly except the 3er Coupe.

And that's well... that's it, isn't it?

So why'd you buy a 1 series two door hatch?

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by NSXType-R

So why'd you buy a 1 series two door hatch?

Because it's brilliant to drive. Plus if I wanted rear drive in this size there was no other option.

And furthermore it's ugly, but bearable. Just.

[NSXType-R]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

Because it's brilliant to drive. Plus if I wanted rear drive in this size there was no other option.

And furthermore it's ugly, but bearable. Just.

Did you get it with IDrive?

Love hate relationship.