[QUOTE=henk4]this statement makes me doubt that you know what understeer is.[/QUOTE]
i know what understeer is. its not exactly an advantage
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[QUOTE=henk4]this statement makes me doubt that you know what understeer is.[/QUOTE]
i know what understeer is. its not exactly an advantage
[QUOTE=kennyknoxville]i know what understeer is. its not exactly an advantage[/QUOTE]
k, henk was employing sarcasm.
The point is that modern 911s are quite difficult to get to understeer on the way into corners and near impossible to avoid oversteer if energeticaly exiting them.
Early 911s used to understeer until breaking got the weight onto the fronts. A little change in drivign style coudl avoid it easily ( but with then the higher risk of it swapping ends on oversteer :) )
[QUOTE=kennyknoxville]911s are somewhat overrated as well. i hate understeer[/QUOTE]
overated in what sense?
[QUOTE=QuattroMan]I'll take LEXUS I can not stand this cars it all...[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100%
i cant stand anything by lexus either. their cars seem like mercedes or bmw knock offs.
[QUOTE=oodis]I agree with you 100%
i cant stand anything by lexus either. their cars seem like mercedes or bmw knock offs.[/QUOTE]
Late 80's/early 90's, they took BMW And Mercedes concept of a luxo-barge and perfected it, in a ultra reliable package to boot.
[QUOTE=oodis]I agree with you 100%
i cant stand anything by lexus either. their cars seem like mercedes or bmw knock offs.[/QUOTE]
Late 80's/early 90's, they took BMW And Mercedes concept of a luxo-barge and perfected it, in a ultra reliable package to boot.
Its kinda like All along the watch tower with Bob Dylan and Hendrix, Bob Dylan had the idea and Hendrix perfected it :)
[QUOTE=Spastik_Roach]Late 80's/early 90's, they took BMW And Mercedes concept of a luxo-barge and perfected it, in a ultra reliable package to boot.
Its kinda like All along the watch tower with Bob Dylan and Hendrix, Bob Dylan had the idea and Hendrix perfected it :)[/QUOTE]
trust me, i have joined in a flame war on another site because the people there had in mind that the lexus was a superior car even to the phantom...
i got sick of hearing both rolls royce and lexus names.
i wont continue that topic here, I am too chicken to accept the consequences lol ;)
[QUOTE=oodis]trust me, i have joined in a flame war on another site because the people there had in mind that the lexus was a superior car even to the phantom...
i got sick of hearing both rolls royce and lexus names.
i wont continue that topic here, I am too chicken to accept the consequences lol ;)[/QUOTE]
They are superior to many cars, probably to the phantom to if you take price in question.
Toyota is currently the best brand in europe acording to the latest survey from JD power, Lexus is the best brand in england and Toyota leads in almost every other category in France and Germany, i'm not being a fan boy, i'm just using facts, japonese makers are the best out there, reliability, servicing, quality, product.
[QUOTE=Esperante] The Prius is my evidence that Toyota is a more corrupt, money hungry company than Ford.[/QUOTE] umm i would't say that toyota actually [B]loses[/B] about 3000 dollars for each prius sold. (all go find the article and retype it if i got to)
[QUOTE=ruim20]They are superior to many cars, probably to the phantom to if you take price in question.
Toyota is currently the best brand in europe acording to the latest survey from JD power, Lexus is the best brand in england and Toyota leads in almost every other category in France and Germany, i'm not being a fan boy, i'm just using facts, japonese makers are the best out there, reliability, servicing, quality, product.[/QUOTE]
i am not talking about price. I am talking about the car itself. I dont think its a fair arguement for the lexus. if you talk about price then i would go for lexus but everything else, well its up to the person.
look at it this way. a person who can chose to purchase a phantom, can easily buy 8 or 9 Ls430's ($402,000 for the Rolls), hell you can even open up a car rental place with the lexuses in them, but they choose to buy this car. I think its insane to compare those two cars but you never know what happens over the internet. It's just like comparing a F430 monza to a Lexus SC430.......just doesnt fit.
[QUOTE=sunk]overated in what sense?[/QUOTE]
everone who owns a 911 and every porsche fanboy whos never even driven a 911 thinks its the end all and be all of all sports cars.
[QUOTE=kennyknoxville]everone who owns a 911 and every porsche fanboy whos never even driven a 911 thinks its the end all and be all of all sports cars.[/QUOTE]
i was once like that
but that was 4 years ago
[QUOTE=oodis]i was once like that
but that was 4 years ago[/QUOTE]
theres no denying theyre great cars tho
i say enzo ferrari
its a good car but its just getting too much publicity and everybody thinks its the best. even cheap asian companys are rippping off the enzo now with little pink enzos that read super fast car and sarah and ultra fast. I still like the car its just that its wayyyyy overrated
I think its the BUggati veyron 16.4
its top speed is faster than the mclaren's but it has almost twice the horsepower