china is the largest vehicle producer of the world, in 2009 china manufactured 13,790,994 units of various types of cars
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china is the largest vehicle producer of the world, in 2009 china manufactured 13,790,994 units of various types of cars
[quote=LeonOfTheDead;964524]You're confusing stereotypes with "known facts".[/quote]
Wouldn't that describe of most 16 year olds?
[quote=csl177;964706]Wouldn't that describe of most 16 year olds?[/quote]
Damnit.:D
Italy. All their cars vary from small, affordable city cars to 7-figure priced hypercars. Plus all their stuff has some flair that makes it special from other cars.
[quote=I NEED NAWZZZ;964768]Italy. All their cars vary from small, affordable city cars to 7-figure priced hypercars. Plus all their stuff has some flair that makes it special from other cars.[/quote]
I've just found out what Italy lacks: upscale sedans and wagons. I mean Lancia was supposed to do that job, but all they build are small, expensive cars and a big van (sorry, idk if the Phedra is still on sale...). Alfa could easily do it, but I've heard that Fiat canceled the development for the big Alfa. Maserati has the QP, but it's too expensive.
To sum up: Italy can't compete in the upper middle class segment and the luxury segment right now.
[quote=Commodore GS/E;964808]I've just found out what Italy lacks: upscale sedans and wagons. I mean Lancia was supposed to do that job, but all they build are small, expensive cars and a big van (sorry, idk if the Phedra is still on sale...). Alfa could easily do it, but I've heard that Fiat canceled the development for the big Alfa. Maserati has the QP, but it's too expensive.
To sum up: Italy can't compete in the upper middle class segment and the luxury segment right now.[/quote]
The Fiat Croma is a car which you can only buy in wagon style. Plus, I don't know if this counts, but Fiat's relationship with Chrysler could mean that some of their upscale saloons are transformed. Remember, Chrysler plan to sell the Lancia Delta as a Chrysler.
[quote=Commodore GS/E;964808]I've just found out what Italy lacks: upscale sedans and wagons. I mean Lancia was supposed to do that job, but all they build are small, expensive cars and a big van (sorry, idk if the Phedra is still on sale...). Alfa could easily do it, but I've heard that Fiat canceled the development for the big Alfa. Maserati has the QP, but it's too expensive.
To sum up: Italy can't compete in the upper middle class segment and the luxury segment right now.[/quote]
That is true, they have cheap and cheerful cars and expensive exotics, but pretty much nothing in between.
Maybe Chrysler will give them the required volume to attack the 30 to 70 grand market.
I guess the Alfa 159 is about it, now that the 166 is ended.
[quote=pimento;964823]I guess the Alfa 159 is about it, now that the 166 is ended.[/quote]
And it isn't a very big player...
The Alfa 159 starts from 25k € now, quite less than before. So freaking tempting.
The new Thema will probably start in the high-40 if not 50k € range.
Then you'll get the smaller Maserati and the new Alfa flagship with it. It took them 4 years to realize you can't built a 50k € Alfa and an over 100k Maserati on the same base, unless you want to play Bentley, but they eventually figured it.
[quote=LeonOfTheDead;964830]The Alfa 159 starts from 25k € now, quite less than before. So freaking tempting.[/quote]
And still, nobody wants one... :(
[quote=LeonOfTheDead;964830]The new Thema will probably start in the high-40 if not 50k € range.[/quote]
50 grand for a car that retails for 30 grand here? And now it has more power.
Madness.
[quote=Ferrer;964831]And still, nobody wants one... :(
50 grand for a car that retails for 30 grand here? And now it has more power.
Madness.[/quote]
Lancias tactic:
1. build a car and offer it for high prices
2. (nobody wants one)
3. make 1k special editions that are much more expensive than the basic car
4. some people buy some (still not very sucessful)
5. sell rebadged Chryslers with a massive pricetag
6. Lancia: "now that will earn us some profit"
[quote=Ferrer;964831]And still, nobody wants one... :(
50 grand for a car that retails for 30 grand here? And now it has more power.
Madness.[/quote]
The Thema has a 30.000 € sticker in Spain?!
There has been quite a few more 159s on the road since the new prices and "full-optional" packages were released.
[quote=LeonOfTheDead;964846]There has been quite a few more 159s on the road since the new prices and "full-optional" packages were released.[/quote]
Guess that's the "home market" effect, because I don't see many 159's here.
The Giulietta is selling pretty well, tho.
[quote=LeonOfTheDead;964846]The Thema has a 30.000 € sticker in Spain?!
There has been quite a few more 159s on the road since the new prices and "full-optional" packages were released.[/quote]
The 300C with the 220bhp diesel engine used to retail for 32grand, but it's now up to 43. I guess the promotion is over.