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2010 Ferrari F151
I don't remember the codename atm, so for now the thread is named accordingly. The car should be unveiled either at the end of 2010 or the beginning of 2011, iirc.
Let's clarify a couple of things.
All new Ferrari are designed to accommodate the 4x4 system by Haldex.
I'm not aware of it being a 4x2. And up to some months ago it wasn't even sure they were going to use it in the end.
The upcoming F142 (aka F450/470), isn't designed to adopt the system.
None of them, the new 612 or the F142 are designed to use any sort of a Kers system, being it something a la EffiientDynamics (more likely) or a la Prius.
The bump on the hood is due to the new suspensions that allow for an adjustable riding height for speed bumps or ramps, forcing to move accordingly the rest of the mechanics.
Maybe this information could be partially incorrect, since the mule testing those suspensions had a different hood (pics 1&2, an actual 612 with the new suspensions).
The car is (90% sure) based on the F141 (aka California) aluminum platform.
I don't have words about the engine.
The come-back of turbos should happen with the new Enzo (twin turbo V8), not with this one though, afaik.
pics, mainly, from worldcarfans
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[QUOTE]The car is (90% sure) based on the F141 (aka California) aluminum platform.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't this be too small?
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Four wheel drive is bad.
Turbos are bad too (even if they aren't used in this).
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[QUOTE=Dino Scuderia;880813]Wouldn't this be too small?[/QUOTE]
LWB version a la Quattroporte probably.
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[QUOTE=Dino Scuderia;880813]Wouldn't this be too small?[/QUOTE]
it's modular, so the new 612's chassis would be longer than the California's one, even if based on the same architecture.
The next 599 is still on hold from this point of view.
The Cali's is a good point of start, being known and at his best development /at the time the car would be designed), but maybe a new platform could allow to adopt also new solutions and gain even more performance wise.
[QUOTE=Ferrer;880815]LWB version a la Quattroporte probably.[/QUOTE]
correct, you busted me :p.
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[QUOTE=LeonOfTheDead;880816]it's modular, so the new 612's chassis would be longer than the California's one, even if based on the same architecture.
The next 599 is still on hold from this point of view.
The Cali's is a good point of start, being known and at his best development /at the time the car would be designed), but maybe a new platform could allow to adopt also new solutions and gain even more performance wise.
correct, you busted me :p.[/QUOTE]
Modular indeed. 612 wheelbase is 1" longer than Maser GT and Quattroporte wheelbase is 4" longer than 612.
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[QUOTE=Dino Scuderia;880819]Modular indeed. 612 wheelbase is 1" longer than Maser GT and Quattroporte wheelbase is 4" longer than 612.[/QUOTE]
those aren't the same though.
The GT and QP (and 8C) are made of steel, not aluminum.
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And by the way, no stupid stacked exhausts please.
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[QUOTE=LeonOfTheDead;880825]those aren't the same though.
The GT and QP (and 8C) are made of steel, not aluminum.[/QUOTE]
So the 612 does not share the GT platform as commonly thought because the 612 is aluminum.
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[QUOTE=Dino Scuderia;880829]So the 612 does not share the GT platform as commonly thought because the 612 is aluminum.[/QUOTE]
That's it.
The QP is an evolution of the former 3200 GT/4200 GT chassis, which then spun off the GranTurismo and the 8C.
the 612 on the other hand is the first full aluminum car for Ferrari, with the 360 being partially of the same material.
For the same reason there is no correlation between the dead Maserati M139 project and the F141 aka Ferrari California.
Even if it's true the car is ideally the same, when Ferrari decided the car was going to be too expensive for a Maserati, (or better, for the price they were figuring cold have been right), the car became a Ferrari product, therefore adopting all components from Ferrari, which, step after step, brought to a whole new car. Only minor parts' design has survived.
Maserati can't share many components with Ferrari due to the costs of parts designed for much more expensive cars.
Both share (minor) parts with Fiat's cars though, when it's possible.
Some of the handbrake parts being one of them, iirc.
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[QUOTE=NSXType-R;880837]What's a 4x2 setup?[/QUOTE]
a car that can run both on 4wd or 2wd (normally rear ones) on demand.
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[QUOTE=LeonOfTheDead;880839]a car that can run both on 4wd or 2wd (normally rear ones) on demand.[/QUOTE]
I think you're wrong about that. The front engine V12 cars have rear transmissions, which means to make them AWD you'll need two drive shafts. Nissan does it on the GT-R and it's very heavy and very complicated. More likely you'll see it in the replacement for the 430 because doing AWD in a mid-engine car is much easier.
Also, the new issue of EVO says the follow up to the Enzo will have V12. No word on turbos.
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I noticed the similarity in external part of the 2010 ferrari and 2010 toyota prius especially the front part. :D
[IMG]http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090318/2010Prius_SS-1_610x435.JPG[/IMG]
[B]Picture above is the 2010 Toyota Prius[/B]
2010 Toyota Prius picture like this is similar with the 2010 Ferrari Spyshots
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[QUOTE=NicFromLA;880905]Also, the new issue of EVO says the follow up to the Enzo will have V12. No word on turbos.[/QUOTE]
But why not go back to the F40 days? Did it say what it will be called; F70?
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[QUOTE=NicFromLA;880905]I think you're wrong about that. The front engine V12 cars have rear transmissions, which means to make them AWD you'll need two drive shafts. Nissan does it on the GT-R and it's very heavy and very complicated. More likely you'll see it in the replacement for the 430 because doing AWD in a mid-engine car is much easier.
Also, the new issue of EVO says the follow up to the Enzo will have V12. No word on turbos.[/QUOTE]
I can grantee you they are testing the transmissions, even if it's not sure, at this stage, if they are going to use it.
Can't say how it's designed, I only know is made by Haldex, and the new V12 cars are designed to accommodate it, forcing a lot of additional job to fit all the other parts without enlarging even more the chassis.
due to the aluminum choice for the chassis, it was an already cramped space.
The last words about the engine of the new Enzo are dated, but at the time, even if a V12 option was still under consideration, they were already pointing to the twin turbo V8.
If this can add some credibility to you, words are directly from an insider, it's up to you to trust them.
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[QUOTE=LeonOfTheDead;880839]a car that can run both on 4wd or 2wd (normally rear ones) on demand.[/QUOTE]
Oh okay. Thanks.
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By the way the internal name is F151.
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[QUOTE=Ferrer;880923]By the way the internal name is F151.[/QUOTE]
sounds familiar indeed. even if search it on google and they will say its the codename of the SUV...
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I am eagerly awaiting the hideousness of this particular model. God that designer needs to be demoted. First they ruined the 456, then the 360, the 599 isnt half bad but I can't imagine this car will be a showstopper.
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My guess is that they will put the V12 from the 599 into the 612 replacement.
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[quote=Ferrer;880923]By the way the internal name is F151.[/quote]
yeap, that's it. :)
moar shots.
take a look at the exhaust pipes...
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3 moar
can a mod change the thread name from "next 612" to F151 plz?
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I don't understand why Ferrari wants to be Lexus...
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[quote=Ferrer;888177]I don't understand why Ferrari wants to be Lexus...[/quote]
I don't know if it's a definitive setup.
The California's are fake, so there is no reason to use them on a prototype.
Maybe they are just bugging us. I wish.
Thanks to whoever fixed the title.
EDIT: despite both the protos (look at the rims and fuel cap) are using the vertical setup.
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new video:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6WGJLexsjw&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - SPY VIDEO: 612s Successor[/ame]
the best part is this has been filmed from the GeS (Gestione Sportiva) building lot (44.534177, 10.860018 on Google Maps).
It's the only point from which you can see the section of the track going up to the bridge.
The street from that position and the entrance (44.532508,10.857636) is completely inside of Ferrari's properties, you must enter the track to take that street.
So in both cases, it was someone from the inse, I would say, it's an unofficially official video.
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old school Ferrari is the way i go. never really liked newer Ferrari's.
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[quote=LeonOfTheDead;888178]
Thanks to whoever fixed the title.
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no problem.
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more shots, nothing new under the sun.
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other than the odd bulge on the hood the car looks pretty much the same as 612...
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[quote=RacingManiac;912990]other than the odd bulge on the hood the car looks pretty much the same as 612...[/quote]
that's just the old body, the car has a new chassis, which will be used for the next Quattroporte as well. The WB will should be increased a bit on the F151.
The bugle shouldn't be functional iirc, just for ease of work, only when they are two on the early prototypes based on 612s with the new suspensions.
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I can't beleive Ferrari have gone down the 4WD route. Maybe they have realised their target audience - useless footballers who can't drive. I can enjoy it or excuse it in a lot of supercars, but not a Ferrari.
As for looks, I can't complain. And if its got the same dual clutch transmission as the California thats a good thing.
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and more.
as for the gearbox, DCT is there. 99%.
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[quote=LeonOfTheDead;913016]and more.
as for the gearbox, DCT is there. 99%.[/quote]
Will manual still be available?
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[quote=Ferrer;913020]Will manual still be available?[/quote]
That I don't know. :o
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[quote=Ferrer;913020]Will manual still be available?[/quote]
No, apparently Ferrari have stopped producing manuals due to the lack of interest from buyers. :(
Think it was in CAR magazine I read that.
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[quote=orshow;913121]No, apparently Ferrari have stopped producing manuals due to the lack of interest from buyers. :(
Think it was in CAR magazine I read that.[/quote]
They are still available for the 599/612, as the F1 is exactly the same gearbox, apart from a couple of actuators and the electronics.
Right now about 10% of cars are equipped with the manual.
Don't know about the 458, it will probably have just the DCT, unfortunately.
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