The fastest sedan of it's time:
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The fastest sedan of it's time:
Fastest in top speed or acceleration?
[quote=Fleet 500;949668]Fastest in top speed or acceleration?[/quote]
I think in both. Several magazines called this car the fastest sedan when tested it back then, including Road & Track.
According to Motor Trend:
"The 6.3-liter Mercedes is the safest, fastest and most comfortable 4-door sedan made today, considering the fantastic speeds you can achieve in full safety and relaxation"
[quote=Fleet 500;949668]Fastest in top speed or acceleration?[/quote]
I think we already discussed that at lenght...
[quote=Ferrer;949677]I think we already discussed that at lenght...[/quote]
perhaps we can see some clippings from old US magazines, that humiliate this Benz.....:rolleyes:
[quote=Ferrer;949677]I think we already discussed that at lenght...[/quote]
We have and I still have my doubts.
(One reason: 1967 Chevrolet Biscayne 427 4-door sedan.)
[quote=Fleet 500;949696]We have and I still have my doubts.
(One reason: 1967 Chevrolet Biscayne 427 4-door sedan.)[/quote]
this car must have been overlooked by the Motor Trend people then...
[quote=henk4;949698]this car must have been overlooked by the Motor Trend people then...[/quote]
Yes, Motor Trend didn't test one but Hi-Performance Cars did (their Aug., 1967 issue, I believe).
Ran a 13.40 sec 1/4 mile with the optional 4.56:1 gears. Other gears were available, of course... 2.73, 3.07, 3.36, 3.73, 4.11.
[quote=Fleet 500;949719]Yes, Motor Trend didn't test one but Hi-Performance Cars did (their Aug., 1967 issue, I believe).
Ran a 13.40 sec 1/4 mile with the optional 4.56:1 gears. Other gears were available, of course... 2.73, 3.07, 3.36, 3.73, 4.11.[/quote]
as you probably will agree with, the 1/4 accelaration time has nothing to do with the fact how fast a car can be in normal traffic, which requires a machine that is able to keep the speed, and to slow down when needed, without cooking the brakes after 10 miles.
But let's not dwell on this, the 6.3 is one hell of a machine, but sometimes I think the later 6.9 model, with its fully Citroen derived suspension is the more comfy and effortless car.
[quote]but sometimes I think the later 6.9 model, with its fully Citroen derived suspension is the more comfy and effortless car.[/quote]
But like the Citroen's, the Benzes hydropneumatic suspension will burn a hole into your pocket if it breaks. I've talked to many 6.9 owners at several car shows, and they all said that while the mechanic parts aren't problematic in any form, the electronics are a nightmare if you have to fix something.
BTW, do you know if there is any roadgoing version of the 6.8 AMG racing engine?
[quote=Commodore GS/E;949752]But like the Citroen's, the Benzes hydropneumatic suspension will burn a hole into your pocket if it breaks. I've talked to many 6.9 owners at several car shows, and they all said that while the mechanic parts aren't problematic in any form, the electronics are a nightmare if you have to fix something.
BTW, do you know if there is any roadgoing version of the 6.8 AMG racing engine?[/quote]
my pockets have been hole-free since 1985.....
Electronics at that time were not part of the hydropneumatic suspension anjd are therefore purely German.....and prone to failure.
There is no road going AMG car.
[quote=henk4;949725]as you probably will agree with, the 1/4 accelaration time has nothing to do with the fact how fast a car can be in normal traffic, which requires a machine that is able to keep the speed, and to slow down when needed, without cooking the brakes after 10 miles.[/quote]
That may be but I was just correcting the "fastest sedan" claim. The OP was probably not aware of the '67 427 Chevy Biscayne.
What if the fastest claim related to the top speed? Or the time to fill the fuel tank? Or the time to open the four windows at the same time? Or the time to lose all its value?
[quote=Fleet 500;949719]Yes, Motor Trend didn't test one but Hi-Performance Cars did (their Aug., 1967 issue, I believe).
Ran a 13.40 sec 1/4 mile with the optional 4.56:1 gears. Other gears were available, of course... 2.73, 3.07, 3.36, 3.73, 4.11.[/quote]
Wasn't this the Hardtop's time?
[quote=Commodore GS/E;949815]Wasn't this the Hardtop's time?[/quote]
I would have to find the magazine, but I quite sure it was a plain four-door sedan.
The engine (427) was available in that body style.
[quote=Ferrer;949808]What if the fastest claim related to the top speed? Or the time to fill the fuel tank? Or the time to open the four windows at the same time? Or the time to lose all its value?[/quote]
Yes, what if it was?
Hi..
I am completely agree with you that Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 was the fastest sedan of it's time. People were crazy for this car and those who can afford it bought it. This is the luxurious, stylish and dashing car of that time having 4 gears and very good handling. Engine of this car was a single valved, port-type fuel injection with full flow oil technology and breaks were vacuum equipped. Steering was not power steering but it was a semi powered steering with good grip. Overall this car was the Ferrari of today at that time.
Thanks.. :)
[quote=James_alex;950458]Hi..
I am completely agree with you that Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 was the fastest sedan of it's time. People were crazy for this car and those who can afford it bought it. This is the luxurious, stylish and dashing car of that time having 4 gears and very good handling. Engine of this car was a single valved, port-type fuel injection with full flow oil technology and breaks were vacuum equipped. Steering was not power steering but it was a semi powered steering with good grip. Overall this car was the Ferrari of today at that time.
Thanks.. :)[/quote]
I took this shot ages ago, it shows a list of rich and famous people who drove one at the time. The shot was taken in the Sinsheim Museum in Germany.
At that time only 27 people owned this car and this counting is very good according to 190's. I read their names and ti looks like that these are the richest people of that time. Hey Adams, I am really thankful to you for providing me the names of those people who had this car. I would like to have more information like this.
Thanks.. :)
The name is not Adams, (also not Hey Adams).....
[quote=henk4;949725]as you probably will agree with, the 1/4 accelaration time has nothing to do with the fact how fast a car can be in normal traffic, which requires a machine that is able to keep the speed, and to slow down when needed, without cooking the brakes after 10 miles.
But let's not dwell on this, the 6.3 is one hell of a machine, but sometimes I think the later 6.9 model, with its fully Citroen derived suspension is the more comfy and effortless car.[/quote]
I`ve had the pleasure of driving both many a year ago and while both engines made plenty of power,the 6.9 litre,despite being in a heavy W116,lit up the rears with ease from standstill when the accelerator was planted....ahhh,memories.