[quote=Ferrer;951550]I fail to see how 500bhp would feel inadequate.[/quote]
Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp
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[quote=Ferrer;951550]I fail to see how 500bhp would feel inadequate.[/quote]
Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp
[quote=wwgkd;951554]It's actually not that hard to pass emissions with a big block, depending on how you built it.[/quote]
Not in Europe, man, not in Europe :(.
[quote=Commodore GS/E;951629]Not in Europe, man, not in Europe :(.[/quote]
Europe is terrible and only inhabited by ecomental communists...
Or that's how you'd have the story told to you by some.
Not me, to be clear.
[quote=Kitdy;951521]Who cares? What is it like to drive? How is the sound? How well does it spin up?
What about the engine's power/weight ratio?[/quote]
I dont think you understand my criticism. A 5.9L/500hp is bad but a 800hp/9.4L engine is good? Granted big block V8's wont have the revs to produce the power for their displacement, but that example was still a $20K engine. Ive seen articles on 1000hp NA big blocks for the record. If you want to discredit the AM, use that as an example.
[quote=wwgkd;951548]Yes, it should for what it costs. I know a guy who gets 750hp and 670lb-ft out of what started as a 460 ford that he built for a total investment of less than $7,000. He drives it daily and has yet (5 years on) to have any problems with it, either. Big blocks aren't about hp/liter, that's like comparing the number of airbags in an Elise vs a Camry, they have a lot of other advantages.[/quote]
Aston Martin should do better yes but what are their competitors doing? Their current engine is also the product, crudely speaking, of 2 Ford V6's stuck together and tarted up.
[quote=syko;951621]Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp[/quote]
That's why the 180 grand 470bhp Grand Tourer is more than enough.
[quote=fpv_gtho;951518]Its not just about the number though. You criticise the Aston Martin engine, but it produces more power per litre than the 572's making 800hp.[/quote]
HP/Litre is a joke measurement. You have to consider that block max's out at 5800 (the Aston Goes to, I believe 8K, I could be wrong though), while the torque is 600FT-LBS as low as Idle, and 650 for a 1200RPM Range. At Idle it has more torque than the 1 Million quid supercar. And then you have to consider thats on a carb and only 2 Valves per cylinder.
It is in stock trim a 10 second engine. If you buy the Race fuel alternative, its 9 seconds easy. Pour 10K in mods (new heads, cams, pistons, etc), you've got an 8 second car. For 30K, you will outrace a One-77 on the 1/4 mile.
Not that I don't think its necessarily better. I mean, the One-77s V12 is mounted 200MMs behind the front axle. It has a pushrod suspension. Its handling is supposed to be brilliant because of this. No cast iron Big Block camaro could hang with a One-77 on a circuit, ever, I'll admit.
[quote=syko;951621]Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp[/quote]
haha true, you can get that in holdens/ford now of roughly similar weight :cool:
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It is in stock trim a 10 second engine. If you buy the Race fuel alternative, its 9 seconds easy. Pour 10K in mods (new heads, cams, pistons, etc), you've got an 8 second car. For 30K, you will outrace a One-77 on the 1/4 mile.
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i've never seen an engine do a 10 sec 1/4 mile... :p
[quote=clutch-monkey;951676]
i've never seen an engine do a 10 sec 1/4 mile... :p[/quote]
Hahahaha, Lol, you know what I mean.
[quote=clutch-monkey;951560]the big block at that power level using a carb.[/quote]
Ahh. Eh. You see tuned Ferrari's and Lambos making more power with no one making that comment. It's not as bad as people think. A more powerfull big block in a heavier car (in this instance at any rate) still got better mileage than a Murcie during a club cruise. Well, marginally better. A race carb that just dumps fuel in may not be the best way to go about it, though.
[quote=Commodore GS/E;951629]Not in Europe, man, not in Europe :(.[/quote]
Oh, I see. After years of loose emissions regs you finally pass us up and now you get snobby about it? ;)
[quote=Kitdy;951633]Europe is terrible and only inhabited by ecomental communists...
Or that's how you'd have the story told to you by some.
Not me, to be clear.[/quote]
That's ok bud, I got your back. It's how I tell it. :D
[quote=wwgkd;951862]That's ok bud, I got your back. It's how I tell it. :D[/quote]
It seems to me that Europeans are more likely to hold this view than Americans though.
The Dutch even have a rabidly anti-immigration racist supporting their minority government! Sarkozy has shipped out tons of Roma, and Britain has the fairly popular BNP!
Wooo! So much for Europeans calling Americans hicks!
EDIT: And that's just Western Europe! Let's not even get into the East!
Also, Merkel said multiculturalism has failed!
What a continent!
Left-wing European superiority complex failure!
Please don't mention our Mr B.
I've heard fair too much from him. He is not even funny anymore...
I know surprisingly little about Italian politics. British, German, Spanish, Dutch, French - I know to some degree about these countries.
I hear bad things about him though.
I always assumed that no matter how much the politicians in charge gesticulate wildly and shit out crazy ideas, nobody will ever actually govern the Italians.
[quote=f6fhellcat13;951987]I always assumed that no matter how much the politicians in charge gesticulate wildly and shit out crazy ideas, nobody will ever actually govern the Italians.[/quote]
He actually is managing that. Apparently we are duller than what we used to.
Some of us surely deserve him.:(