Webber and Heidfeld no Prima-Dona's: Sam Michael interview

[SandStorm]

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

Where did i say it was worthless??

You didn't, I admit, not in verbal terms. But your comments made it seem that way. Hell, you're as entitled to your comments as he is to his opinion, but I just think you were a bit harsh in degrading his opinion. After all, that's his view.

Far be it for me to stick up for him though, I don't even know the guy.

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

I admit, i think Mp3Boy's opinion is wrong, but just as much as he is entitled to that opinion, i am entitled to comment on it.

I'll leave this one alone, I've said enough above.

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

Why should i leave him alone if he feels like he can come onto a public forum, share his controversal opinions and cry bloody murder when someone has a problem with what he's saying? JUST to then go pass it off as humour which for all i care is a cover for not having a comeback.

As said, I think you were too harsh. As also said, I'm not sticking up for the guy, I just think you should respect his opinons.

He's not crying bloody murder, from what I can see he's just trying to get you to stop trying to force your facts and figures down his throat. If he doesn't want to look at the facts, that's his problem. As for me, I think you both have good opinions on some fronts.

I can see the humour in some of his comments, why can't you? His original comment about Webber and Heidfeld "not having the right" to be prima donas, I had a good chuckle at that - because it's right, in a way, Williams have had a below average start to the season. "Ingall and Ambrose win 95% of the time" - I saw the humour in that, because it definitely seems like those two are winning 95% of the time. See where I'm going here? Lighten up on the poor fellow.

[Falcon500]

ive already proven that you are the same person i have full proof on iit so stop acting like your defending someone here your defending yourself under an alias and you obviously wernt paying attention to my last post....

[fpv_gtho]

He definately seems to know alot about someone hes never met

[Falcon500]

Well it was bleading obvious and he denied it lol

[SandStorm]

Originally Posted by Falcon500

I couldent tell he wasnt being serious...from what i was seeing was he was being a total arse saying what he thought was right and when he annoyed someone or got owned he backed up with his tail between his legs.

funny joke dude...whats so sad its funny is your useing a diffrent name to back yourself up (i love being able to cheak ip adresses) so boy use one or youll get both banned HAVE A NICE DAY

Huh?

I'M certainly not the guy... I don't know why you would associate me with an arse like him. I don't want to BE him, I don't want to KNOW him - I only put my hand up because I thought fpv_gtho was being too harsh. I don't even know why I did that because normally I'd sit back and enjoy the arguing, and laugh at fools who argue on the internet.

As for "backing him up", where did you see me say in ANY way or interpretation that Mp3Boy's opinion was right? I just dipped in to the argument to try and get fpv_gtho to loosen up - but that wasn't my place, so apologies where apologies are due.

You can swear black and blue that I'm the same guy, but I swear I'm not. I only have this account and I'm only going to USE this account. You can do whatever you want with that guy for all I care, ridicule him, run him out of the forum. This is my only account and it'll stay that way.

[fpv_gtho]

Mate the facts are against you. As a mod, Falcon500 has access to certain extra information, and part of that is both yours and Mp3Boy's identical IP addresses. Then we get to the subjective info, like why you coincidently open your mouth when it seems Mp3Boy has nothing else to say, why one minute i see Mp3Boy looking at this thread and the next you post, and finally why since youve started posting on the matter Mp3Boy hasn't been back??

You should be glad Falcon500 has given you the choice over the matter. Other mods have banned people on the spot when they were proven to have 2 user accounts.

[SandStorm]

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

He definately seems to know alot about someone hes never met

How the heck do you assume I "know a lot about someone I've never met" just because I told you to loosen up?

I know NOTHING about him, and I don't presume to

If you want me to drop this whole thing, it's dropped already. Argue away, I'm just going to post in peace.

[fpv_gtho]

Well let me quote you on this one

I'm not sticking up for the guy, I just think you should respect his opinons.

He's not crying bloody murder, from what I can see he's just trying to get you to stop trying to force your facts and figures down his throat. If he doesn't want to look at the facts, that's his problem.

I can see the humour in some of his comments, why can't you?

His original comment about Webber and Heidfeld "not having the right" to be prima donas, I had a good chuckle at that - because it's right, in a way, Williams have had a below average start to the season.

Ingall and Ambrose win 95% of the time" - I saw the humour in that, because it definitely seems like those two are winning 95% of the time.

Lighten up on the poor fellow.

For someone you've called a dickhead, you're sure not afraid to do your fair shair of brown-nosing

[Falcon500]

Well performance...if their not preforming doesnt that give them every right to complain....especially seeing as i doubt their slacking off.....sir frank williams wouldent allow that one.....so i fail to see the funny side in this situation in this most serious of motorsports.....

Just to put my twiset one one of them quotes.

[fpv_gtho]

Who's to say Williams would be in an even worse situation with 2 different drives....Afterall in the very interview i made this thread for, Sam Michael comments that both Webber and Heidfeld are highly communicative with their engineers, imagine if Webber had spent more time during recent testing, rather than nursing those ribs of his between races.

[Falcon500]

Hard to say....but one thing that could safly be said his car wouldent of been so obviously crook in the turns.....

[fpv_gtho]

Hes said that with the painkillers he took in Melbourne, and all the adrenalin through the race, driving the car isnt an issue, it only hurts getting in and out of the car. The notable weeknesses of the FW27 though are downforce and tyre wear......realistically their tyre wear is fantastic, they reckon they could get 2 races from a single set of tyres, but theyre obviously compromising mechanical grip doing that, as well as beind down on the aero.

[Falcon500]

sorry i ment the car not him it looked unsettled especially when he hit the kerbs. All in all it seems they have a decent package that just needs some tweaking if they can get the tweaks happening im shure well start seeing top 8s finishes here which is a start im shure hell get a podium this year too (said the bloke who officially admits f1s not his bag)

[SlickHolden]

Originally Posted by Mp3Boy

Are you people mentally deficient ?...

Look at what happened a few years ago when people moaned about how Holden was killing Ford in leaps and bounds, so various governing bodies decided that the rules needed to be altered to "give the Ford teams a better chance".

What happened to letting things play out as they play out, eh? I bet all you Ford fans are cocky now, aren't you?

Next time you Ford fans go "Oh yay Ambrose won again, he's the best!" remember that if AVESCO hadn't thrown their hat into the ring, Ford would still be at the back of the pack, struggling along in Holden's wake.

And THAT is how V8 Supercar is ****ed up, friends and neighbours.

Anyway, that's my angsty rant out of the way.... What's for dinner ?...

That's very wrong when HRT was on top and dominating it was really only HRT in it's best form ever that made it look like Holden beating all fords when infact it was just HRT at it's best beating all, Cause behind the HRT dominance there was some close racing between ford and holden.
And now what you have with Ford is about the Same as HRT at it's best like SBR are now Cause behind SBR there are some very close racing with holdens and fords.
When HRT was on song they had everything go there way they had it all the other Holden teams and ford teams were made to look bad because they couldn't do a thing wrong.
Now SBR has got it right and are doing all things right and making the rest look bad. But as for a helping hand i see nothing like that.
If you go back over 5-6 years ago take HRT out it's holden ford going at it hammer and tongs head to head.
Take SBR out 3 years ago same thing it's just 2 teams that got there shit together at the right time and deserve there success.

[fpv_gtho]

Originally Posted by Falcon500

sorry i ment the car not him it looked unsettled especially when he hit the kerbs. All in all it seems they have a decent package that just needs some tweaking if they can get the tweaks happening im shure well start seeing top 8s finishes here which is a start im shure hell get a podium this year too (said the bloke who officially admits f1s not his bag)

That mightve been just in the setup of the car, they couldve compromised some of the damping to help the car keep speed over the kerbs to keep some stability around the high spec corners.

If they won a race last year (albeit the last race) they should be able to win a race this year though