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Kitdy · #**121** 05-28-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer

Actually, I do recall reading/hearing that technically there is nothing that says that a vote of no confidence means that he MUST resign. However, it would be farcical in the extreme for him to try and continue under those circumstances. Not even Max is power hungry enough to attempt that.

Are you certain? I recall reading an article saying that were he lost the vote of confidence, he intended staying on as president until when he supposedly was going to retire anyways in 2009 (that is surely a load of crap, the fact the intended to retire that is) to maintain order and facilitate and easy transition.

He is quite frankly, a disgrace and embarrassment, not because of this current situation, but the way he has conducted himself for many years.]

EDIT: Just read that article. That is damming behaviour by the president and the FIA itself. If that's how the FIA operates, it certainly does need restructuring and it needs a president that has a backbone to challenge Bernie Ecclestone.

**Jack_Bauer** · #**122** 05-28-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitdy

Are you certain? I recall reading an article saying that were he lost the vote of confidence, he intended staying on as president until when he supposedly was going to retire anyways in 2009 (that is surely a load of crap, the fact the intended to retire that is) to maintain order and facilitate and easy transition.

He is quite frankly, a disgrace and embarrassment, not because of this current situation, but the way he has conducted himself for many years.]

EDIT: Just read that article. That is damming behaviour by the president and the FIA itself. If that's how the FIA operates, it certainly does need restructuring and it needs a president that has a backbone to challenge Bernie Ecclestone.

I don't recall where I heard it, either in a newspaper article or on the radio perhaps. Either way it's a mere technicality. There's absolutely no way in hell that he'll stay on if he loses the vote.

With regards to the Christian Sylt article, it should be said that it is not necessarily the gospel truth. It is a bunch of conclusions drawn from the posthumous memoirs of the barrister that Benetton hired, and a number of interviews with "unnamed sources". I'm not sure how many of the accusations would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. However, it does seem fairly certain that Mosley and Ecclestone DID meet with Carman on the eve of the trial. Mosley's position as President effectively means that he is the judge and jury at those sorts of hearings. For the judge to meet with the a defense barrister on the night before a trial, and to tell him how best to plea is completely ludicrous.

It also shows how things have soured between Max and Bernie. Back in those days they were thick as thieves, and it has been assumed until recently that they still are. The verbal sparring between the two in the press recently suggests that they are not quite as friendly as most had thought.

Kitdy · #**123** 05-28-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer

I don't recall where I heard it, either in a newspaper article or on the radio perhaps. Either way it's a mere technicality. There's absolutely no way in hell that he'll stay on if he loses the vote.

As I said, based on what I've read, he has stated his interest to stay on as president of the FIA even if he loses the vote of confidence. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

When is the vote for that anyways? A week or so?

**Jack_Bauer** · #**124** 05-28-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitdy

As I said, based on what I've read, he has stated his interest to stay on as president of the FIA even if he loses the vote of confidence. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

Even if he wanted to, there's no way it would happen. There would probably be official protests to his Presidency from FIA members and most probably Formula One teams and other FIA motorsport competitors. He would bring the whole sport to its knees if he tried it.

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When is the vote for that anyways? A week or so?

Yep. June 3rd.

Interestingly, it has emerged tonight that Mosley was offered a compromise deal by certain members of the FIA back in April, which he declined. It would have meant that he would receive a vote of confidence to save his reputation somewhat, but agree to delegate all public duties to his deputies and to resign come the end of the motorsport season in November.

It would have given him an easy way out, and certainly a more dignified way out. It seems that Max is determined to go down fighting, if indeed he does end up getting the boot...

Mosley turned down compromise deal in April

Kitdy · #**125** 05-28-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer

Even if he wanted to, there's no way it would happen. There would probably be official protests to his Presidency from FIA members and most probably Formula One teams and other FIA motorsport competitors. He would bring the whole sport to its knees if he tried it.

Yep. June 3rd.

Interestingly, it has emerged tonight that Mosley was offered a compromise deal by certain members of the FIA back in April, which he declined. It would have meant that he would receive a vote of confidence to save his reputation somewhat, but agree to delegate all public duties to his deputies and to resign come the end of the motorsport season in November.

It would have given him an easy way out, and certainly a more dignified way out. It seems that Max is determined to go down fighting, if indeed he does end up getting the boot...

Mosley turned down compromise deal in April

You see, you keep saying that he will step down if he loses the vote in confidence, but the way he's acted and of what I have read of him, I don't think it's entirely certain that he will. He seems to be a controlling egomaniac, or at least that's what he comes across as.

It would be a farce if he stayed on after he lost the vote.

I think he is right to fight as his personal behaviour should be no influence on his governance, but the way he has handled himself after the fact has been almost ridiculous.

I think he's gonna lose the vote and go down looking like an utter moron.

If he refuses to step down there's gonna be some serious action taken by the motorsport community.

As an aside, is prostitution legal in the United Kingdom? If he was caught paying for sex in Canada, he would be liable for jail time or at least a fine.

**fpv_gtho** · #**126** 05-28-2008, 08:54 PM

Surely the WMSC or whatever other boards the FIA have at the top have the power to remove Mosley if given a vote of no confidence. They have a duty to all their representitives who gave that vote to ensure its followed through. Mosley may be president of the FIA, but he doesnt have 100% control there.

Kitdy · #**127** 05-28-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

Surely the WMSC or whatever other boards the FIA have at the top have the power to remove Mosley if given a vote of no confidence. They have a duty to all their representitives who gave that vote to ensure its followed through. Mosley may be president of the FIA, but he doesnt have 100% control there.

They may have the power to do so, but as I said, apparently the FIA constitution makes it very hard to forcibly remove the president.

**Jack_Bauer** · #**128** 05-29-2008, 08:01 AM

Another kick in the nuts for Mosley...

autosport.com - F1 News: Clubs plead with Mosley to resign

That's the motorsport federations of America, Singapore, Germany, Finland, Canada, Brazil, Denmark, France, India, Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, Hungary, Israel, Austria, Spain, Belgium and Switzerland all officially calling for his resignation.

I doubt this will be the last letter we see before the vote. I wonder who is going to stand up and voice their support for Mosley, and who will join the calls for his head on a plate?

ringle · #**129** 05-29-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_Bauer

Another kick in the nuts for Mosley...

autosport.com - F1 News: Clubs plead with Mosley to resign

That's the motorsport federations of America, Singapore, Germany, Finland, Canada, Brazil, Denmark, France, India, Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, Hungary, Israel, Austria, Spain, Belgium and Switzerland all officially calling for his resignation.

I doubt this will be the last letter we see before the vote. I wonder who is going to stand up and voice their support for Mosley, and who will join the calls for his head on a plate?

THE VOTE IS BY SECRET BALLOT!

**Jack_Bauer** · #**130** 05-29-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ringle

THE VOTE IS BY SECRET BALLOT!

That doesn't mean people can't come out in the media and make statements relating to the matter, like the above national motorsport clubs. I doubt very much that this will be the last letter released to the press over the next few days.

ringle · #**131** 05-30-2008, 07:35 PM

On what probably will be the final days of the "Max" era, I offer a playful poke of what perhaps should be his legacy sans orgies...

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