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Old 10-26-2010, 05:22 AM
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I fail to see how 500bhp would feel inadequate.
Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:10 AM
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It's actually not that hard to pass emissions with a big block, depending on how you built it.
Not in Europe, man, not in Europe .
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:18 AM
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Not in Europe, man, not in Europe .
Europe is terrible and only inhabited by ecomental communists...

Or that's how you'd have the story told to you by some.

Not me, to be clear.
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:35 AM
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Who cares? What is it like to drive? How is the sound? How well does it spin up?

What about the engine's power/weight ratio?
I dont think you understand my criticism. A 5.9L/500hp is bad but a 800hp/9.4L engine is good? Granted big block V8's wont have the revs to produce the power for their displacement, but that example was still a $20K engine. Ive seen articles on 1000hp NA big blocks for the record. If you want to discredit the AM, use that as an example.

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Yes, it should for what it costs. I know a guy who gets 750hp and 670lb-ft out of what started as a 460 ford that he built for a total investment of less than $7,000. He drives it daily and has yet (5 years on) to have any problems with it, either. Big blocks aren't about hp/liter, that's like comparing the number of airbags in an Elise vs a Camry, they have a lot of other advantages.
Aston Martin should do better yes but what are their competitors doing? Their current engine is also the product, crudely speaking, of 2 Ford V6's stuck together and tarted up.
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Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp
That's why the 180 grand 470bhp Grand Tourer is more than enough.
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:54 PM
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Its not just about the number though. You criticise the Aston Martin engine, but it produces more power per litre than the 572's making 800hp.
HP/Litre is a joke measurement. You have to consider that block max's out at 5800 (the Aston Goes to, I believe 8K, I could be wrong though), while the torque is 600FT-LBS as low as Idle, and 650 for a 1200RPM Range. At Idle it has more torque than the 1 Million quid supercar. And then you have to consider thats on a carb and only 2 Valves per cylinder.
It is in stock trim a 10 second engine. If you buy the Race fuel alternative, its 9 seconds easy. Pour 10K in mods (new heads, cams, pistons, etc), you've got an 8 second car. For 30K, you will outrace a One-77 on the 1/4 mile.

Not that I don't think its necessarily better. I mean, the One-77s V12 is mounted 200MMs behind the front axle. It has a pushrod suspension. Its handling is supposed to be brilliant because of this. No cast iron Big Block camaro could hang with a One-77 on a circuit, ever, I'll admit.
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Old 10-26-2010, 03:12 PM
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Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp
haha true, you can get that in holdens/ford now of roughly similar weight
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It is in stock trim a 10 second engine. If you buy the Race fuel alternative, its 9 seconds easy. Pour 10K in mods (new heads, cams, pistons, etc), you've got an 8 second car. For 30K, you will outrace a One-77 on the 1/4 mile.
i've never seen an engine do a 10 sec 1/4 mile...
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:10 PM
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i've never seen an engine do a 10 sec 1/4 mile...
Hahahaha, Lol, you know what I mean.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:06 PM
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the big block at that power level using a carb.
Ahh. Eh. You see tuned Ferrari's and Lambos making more power with no one making that comment. It's not as bad as people think. A more powerfull big block in a heavier car (in this instance at any rate) still got better mileage than a Murcie during a club cruise. Well, marginally better. A race carb that just dumps fuel in may not be the best way to go about it, though.

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Not in Europe, man, not in Europe .
Oh, I see. After years of loose emissions regs you finally pass us up and now you get snobby about it?

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Europe is terrible and only inhabited by ecomental communists...

Or that's how you'd have the story told to you by some.

Not me, to be clear.
That's ok bud, I got your back. It's how I tell it.
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Old 10-28-2010, 06:32 AM
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That's ok bud, I got your back. It's how I tell it.
It seems to me that Europeans are more likely to hold this view than Americans though.

The Dutch even have a rabidly anti-immigration racist supporting their minority government! Sarkozy has shipped out tons of Roma, and Britain has the fairly popular BNP!

Wooo! So much for Europeans calling Americans hicks!

EDIT: And that's just Western Europe! Let's not even get into the East!

Also, Merkel said multiculturalism has failed!

What a continent!

Left-wing European superiority complex failure!
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Please don't mention our Mr B.
I've heard fair too much from him. He is not even funny anymore...
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:26 AM
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I know surprisingly little about Italian politics. British, German, Spanish, Dutch, French - I know to some degree about these countries.

I hear bad things about him though.
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I always assumed that no matter how much the politicians in charge gesticulate wildly and shit out crazy ideas, nobody will ever actually govern the Italians.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:12 PM
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I always assumed that no matter how much the politicians in charge gesticulate wildly and shit out crazy ideas, nobody will ever actually govern the Italians.
He actually is managing that. Apparently we are duller than what we used to.
Some of us surely deserve him.
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