Ferrer Sucks and the North American Car Market and Fits Rock

[f6fhellcat13]

Excellent job Albert.
Now we could even take into count other factors, such as, how much money Joe Average spends every moths to pay bills, health care, taxes, and other things which are "mandatory" but very different in each country.
At the end of such a calculation, it should came out who can spend more on his car and who has the larger part of his check gone into other costs.

Like saying, I could even get 3.000 € a month as a blue collar, but if then I have to pay more for water, electricity, food and other necessary goods, perhaps at the end of the day a blue collar living on Pluto and receiving 1.000 € a month has more money to spend the way he prefers every month after he payed all the bills&co.

A quick whip-out of the ol' Human Geography texbook shows that (in 2005):

Americans spent more than 10% of their GDP on healthcare.
Canadians spent 8-10%
Italians spent 8-10%
Spaniards spent 6-8%
Aussies spent 8-10%

Most of the first world is in the 8-10% bracket.

As you can see, this means Americans have recognized universal healthcare as the evil communist-stalinist-leninist etc... conspiracy that it is, but it does take a good chunk of car money out of out pockets.
If you want any more countries just ask.

[Rockefella]

A quick whip-out of the ol' Human Geography texbook shows that (in 2005):

Americans spent more than 10% of their GDP on healthcare.
Canadians spent 8-10%
Italians spent 8-10%
Spaniards spent 6-8%
Aussies spent 8-10%

Most of the first world is in the 8-10% bracket.

As you can see, this means Americans have recognized universal healthcare as the evil communist-stalinist-leninist etc... conspiracy that it is, but it does take a good chunk of car money out of out pockets.
If you want any more countries just ask.

Is that balanced out by higher tax percentiles in 'socialist countries' or is that already factored in according to gross income?

[f6fhellcat13]

Is that balanced out by higher tax percentiles in 'socialist countries' or is that already factored in according to gross income?

I don't know, tbh. I don't think so though, because of the "gross" part. I think it is an unadjusted number, so giving it too much credence might not get you an accurate picture, but I think it is a good representation.
I know we have a good number of financial people on here, so they can tell you much more than I.

[Ferrer]

A quick whip-out of the ol' Human Geography texbook shows that (in 2005):

Americans spent more than 10% of their GDP on healthcare.
Canadians spent 8-10%
Italians spent 8-10%
Spaniards spent 6-8%
Aussies spent 8-10%

Most of the first world is in the 8-10% bracket.

As you can see, this means Americans have recognized universal healthcare as the evil communist-stalinist-leninist etc... conspiracy that it is, but it does take a good chunk of car money out of out pockets.
If you want any more countries just ask.

Even so I'd say the difference is so big, that even with those factored in Americans would still probably have cheaper cars, or at least in line with Italy and Spain.

If you're from Canada or Australia, well bad luck then I guess.

[clutch-monkey]

Alright. Figures for Australia: 27.993,56 (1,39).

The Focus costs 37 grand, which is 51.430 intl $. So it takes an average Australian 1,84 years to be able to afford a go fast Ford.

I'm afraid it's not looking good...

ouch. i guess that's the cost of buying cars from countries with a stronger currency
no wonder the local products give such relative bang for buck haha.

[Ferrer]

ouch. i guess that's the cost of buying cars from countries with a stronger currency
no wonder the local products give such relative bang for buck haha.

Is the Falcon cheaper than the Focus?

(At least base vs XR5T)

[clutch-monkey]

i think so, cars like the XR5T and civic type R typically have a larger price gap from their base models than domestic vehicles because of their origin iirc.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

A base Falcon is ~ $34,990 these days.

A Performance model (the XR6 Turbo) is about $10k more than that.

But, Sif pay retail.

[clutch-monkey]

how does that compare to the mondeo?

[IBrake4Rainbows]

An XR5 Mondeo (top spec) is about $41,990.

But they start at $30,000.

[Kitdy]

Ferrer, try to get in touch with Catalan stats somewhere and determine average wage - I emailed Stats Can and got 18.XX an hour.

This is more accurate than simply GDP per capita PPP which can be very misleading.

[Ferrer]

Ferrer, try to get in touch with Catalan stats somewhere and determine average wage - I emailed Stats Can and got 18.XX an hour.

This is more accurate than simply GDP per capita PPP which can be very misleading.

I'll try finding the figures, see what we get.

By the way, if I had used the Catalan GDP per capita we would've been better because we are richer than the average of Spain.

An XR5 Mondeo (top spec) is about $41,990.

But they start at $30,000.

Suddenly the Falcon makes a lot of sense and the Mondeo doesn't. Perhaps even as a performance alternative compared to the Focus XR5T.

[mm22176]

Originally Posted by Kitdy etc... The thing is, as gas prices rise again after the economic disaster, we wills tart getting those small European cars.
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[f6fhellcat13]

Originally Posted by Kitdy etc... The thing is, as gas prices rise again after the economic disaster, we wills tart getting those small European cars.

We already have with the Saturn Astra (an Opel Astra) and some Fords will be making across the pond. The question isn't as much if the cars will come over, but how much they'll cost when they do.

EDIT: Welcome to UCP by the way.

[LeonOfTheDead]

We already have with the Saturn Astra (an Opel Astra) and some Fords will be making across the pond. The question isn't as much if the cars will come over, but how much they'll cost when they do.

EDIT: Welcome to UCP by the way.

and how many mods will they require to cross it?