40-60 mph: '67 Ferrari VS '64 Cadillac

[henk4]

Thanks for the torque figure.
Yes, the Caddy has a lot more torque but who really expected a '64 Cadillac to almost keep up with a Ferrari in 40-60 and 50-70 mph acceleration?

As a regular here I would actually have expected you to be able to find it yourself.

1966 - 1968 Ferrari 330 GTC - Images, Specifications and Information

[henk4]

According to the chart, 2nd gear was used up to 72 mph, so it looks like it was in 2nd gear for the 40-60 mph acceleration. Or did you mean 1st gear?

I would expect that staying in 2nd gear from 40-60 would give a better time than redlining 1st and then loosing time during the gearhift to 2nd.

[Magnum9987]

. Interesting thing - seems the Caddy has a very high compression ratio for the time, or was that pretty normal?

American luxury cars (like their somewhat related muscle cars) all had high compression. In the US, the name of the game was bigger and more powerful until 1971 or so, because of emissions regulation and reduced availability of high octane fuel.

The caddy had a very tall gearbox (it is a three speed auto after all). But it had gobs of torque. So? It weighed close to 5000 pounds. Of course the pony is going to win! Closer gears, faster revving engine, lighter car. No comparison. I quite frankly don't understand the comparison, these cars are not built for the same market

[culver]

Did the article say they used the best gear? I think the current C&D test uses top gear for some of these "passing" type acceleration runs. That's why the modern Corvette often dose rather poorly and automatics often do well. The autos are allowed to down shift, the manuals are not. Top gear in a Corvette is very long and at such low speeds is almost idling the motor thus less than impressive numbers out of a car that even in it's paltry base form has 430 ponies (which translates into some random number of killingwhats )

[Magnum9987]

Did the article say they used the best gear? I think the current C&D test uses top gear for some of these "passing" type acceleration runs. That's why the modern Corvette often dose rather poorly and automatics often do well. The autos are allowed to down shift, the manuals are not. Top gear in a Corvette is very long and at such low speeds is almost idling the motor thus less than impressive numbers out of a car that even in it's paltry base form has 430 ponies (which translates into some random number of killingwhats )

Top gear is so tall in a corvette for fuel efficiency. The gearing through out is rather tall anyways. But corvettes produce enough torque that it is still competitive in acceleration. GM now offers a closer ratio gearbox for the first time in all Corvette models. That'll definitely make things interesting.

[Ferrer]

This could go on for eons.

Don't worry I'm stoping here.

[henk4]

Don't worry I'm stoping here.

disappointing decision....

[Fleet 500]

This is yet more proof that what you really need to be a speed freak is a...

2006 Toyota Camry SE V6!

According to a test from Road and Track, it will hit 60 mph in 6.1(!) seconds, and roll through the quarter at 14.5 at tarmac tearin' 99.9 mph!

It's DOHC 3456 cc engine will pump out an earth shattering 268 hp at 6,200 rpm, and 242 lb.-ft. of torque at 4,700 rpm - with a compression ratio of 10.8:1! This is at a test weight of 3,670 lbs and with an R/T observed mileage of 26.3 mpg, and an EPA city/highway rating of 21/29!

You also have the easy, predictable, and safe handling charactersitics of a front-wheel drive car! On the skidpad and slalom, R/T reported moderate understeer! What more can you ask for friends?!

All that for only $27,350 USD in 2006 monies!

Now that, is a reliable, comfortable, and fast car! Women will respect your rational car purchase and you can leave lesser cars (such as American iron and Italian exotica from the '60s) in your dust!

Pick one up on the second hand market and it will last you another 10 years! You won't have to worry about rust on that Caddy or filling her up with gas at 1.35 a litre, or paying for exorbitant repair fees and a gobsmacking upfront price for that 330!

Step on down to your local Toyota dealership and get a certified pre-owned 2006 Camry LE V6 today!

6.1 seconds 0-60 and a 14.5 sec 1/4 mile? That's been done before... 40 years ago! A '68 Dodge Dart GTS 340 with 3.55 axle ratio and 3-speed automatic ran 6.0 seconds 0-60 mph and 14.5 1/4 mile and it cost only around $3,500!

BTW, I question the "comfort" of a Toyota Camry. My Sister-in-law has a 2007 and it has those terrible hard seats.

Also, my Caddys have little or no rust.

[Ferrer]

disappointing decision....

To be brutally honest I'm not that inclined to have arguments with walls lately.

Must be being busy at work and arriving tired at home.

Or something.

[Revo]

Also, my Caddys have little or no rust.

Good one, Fleet! This is my favorite kind of absurd humor.

[Fleet 500]

Good one, Fleet! This is my favorite kind of absurd humor.

'Tis true. Nothing absurd about it.
See for yourself...

[Ferrer]

We could maybe make new thread for how 'Merican cars rust more than an Alfasud left in the wild for 30 years.

Which is a well known fact.

Probably.

[Fleet 500]

We could maybe make new thread for how 'Merican cars rust more than an Alfasud left in the wild for 30 years.

Which is a well known fact.

Probably.

It is?

[Fleet 500]

Did the article say they used the best gear? I think the current C&D test uses top gear for some of these "passing" type acceleration runs. That's why the modern Corvette often dose rather poorly and automatics often do well. The autos are allowed to down shift, the manuals are not. Top gear in a Corvette is very long and at such low speeds is almost idling the motor thus less than impressive numbers out of a car that even in it's paltry base form has 430 ponies (which translates into some random number of killingwhats )

C&D did not use top gear for passing times back then.

Also, they did several acceleration runs so they were certainly trying to get the best times possible. In the data panel of that Ferrari, it says: "In 4 runs, 0-60 mph varied between 6.7 and 7.1 seconds."

[Kitdy]

This could go on for eons.

Don't worry I'm stoping here.

To be brutally honest I'm not that inclined to have arguments with walls lately.

Must be being busy at work and arriving tired at home.

Or something.

Nothing more needs said.