View Poll Results: favourite marque in motor-racing

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  • Porsche

    6 26.09%
  • Lotus

    5 21.74%
  • Ferrari

    4 17.39%
  • Lancia

    0 0%
  • Mercedes-Benz

    0 0%
  • Audi (and Auto-Union)

    7 30.43%
  • McLaren

    1 4.35%
  • Jaguar

    0 0%
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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHEESE-TACULAR
    im sure you know all about their F1 history-they also have numerous Indy and CART victories, especially scince GM's faultering in the series
    Honda scored one victory as a manufacturer in Formula 1. You shouldn't mix engine supplier and manufacturer up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaigra
    I think he may have been talking about this one:

    1978 911 SC I think
    Porsche Rallying history, Part 1.

    It was with this particular 911 that Porsche made their last works entry in the WRC, in the 1978 Safari Rally. Drivers were Bjorn Waldegaard and Vic Preston Jr., which finished fifth and second respectively, altough Waldegaard had led the rally easily until he had shock absorber trouble.

    But the history of Porsche rallying starts much earlier. They first entered unoficially with 356 Coupe's in the late 50's and early 60's. Then in 1965 two very different machines debuted in rallying at the Montecarlo. Those were the Porsche 904 Carrera GTS and the Porsche 911. The 904 was second overall with Eugen Böhringer at the wheel and the 911 was fifth overall with Herbert Linge driving. But it was the 911 the car that would carry Porsche fortunes in rallying.


    1965 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS


    1965 Porsche 911 Coupe

    By then 911's started winning. Their rear engine give thme good traction and they were moderately powerful, so they were usually notching top results in International rallyes. Their first win was in the 1966 Deustchland Rally with a 911 crewed by Klass/Wütherlich. Some of the big wins of the 911 in 2-litre form include the Swedish, Montecarlo and Sanremo rallies in 1968 and the Montecarlo, Swedish, Acropolis and Tour de Corse rallies in 1969.


    Pauli Toivonen winning the 1969 Acropolis in his works 911S

    The 911 evolved into 2.2-litre and later 2.5-litre forms, and finally after coming third in 1968 and second in 1969, in 1970 they won the International Chapionship for makes winning in the process the Montecarlo, the Swedish and the Austrian Alpine. But then the decline of Porsche as a works team in rallying started. They were probably more interested in track-racing, and slowly Porsche's became the default choice for top privateers, amongst of them the Almeras Freres, whom still got some victories for the 911.


    Gerard Larousse in the 1970 Montecarlo Rally at the wheel of his 911S

    In 1971 Porsche emplyed the 914/6 as their works car in Montecarlo, but the car simply wasn't suited to rallying, as for the perfect balance the mid-engine layout gave it was underpowered. All Waldegaard could manage was a third overall. Instead Porsche slowly turned their atention to the Safari Rally. They made their first visit to the Safari in 1969, were Sobieslaw Zasada finished sixth. In 1970 Zasada led overall at half way only to retire with a broken sump. In 1971 Zasada was fifth and second overall in the 1972 edition. As you can see this was to be Porsche love affair with the Safari, always there, never winning.


    1970 Porsche 914/6

    Afetr the non-finish result in the 1973 Safari with the new 911 Carrera RS, Portsche was back in 1974, in a year they so nearly won, hadn't it been for the schock-absorber trouble that affected Waldegaard's car in the las stages of the rally. After that Porsche forgot about the Safari for a while, but the 911 was back in business in 1978 when it won the Monte Carlo rally for a fourth time, in the hands of Jean Pierre Nicolas in a Alemras Freres 911 Carrera RS 3.0.


    Waldegaard and his 911 Carrera RS in the 1974 East African Safari


    Jean Pierre Nicolas winning the 1978 Montecarlo in his private Porsche

    End of part 1.
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    Porsche rallying history, part 2.

    In 1978 Porsche returned at the Safari for a last works effort in order to win it with the new Porsche 911 3.0 SC with Martini livery. But again shock absorber trouble denied the 911 and Waldegaard the win, finishing in the end in fifth, with his team mate Vic Preston Jr. finishing in second overall. In 1980 Jean Luc Therier scored the last win for the 911 in the WRC in the Tour de Corse. In 1981 Walter Rorhl used a 911 in some rallyes of the WRC, but when he still had a chance to challenge the mighty Audi's in the Sanremo he had to retire.


    Waldegaard with the 911, the consistent loser of the Safari...


    JL Therier in the last international win for the 911, the 1980 Tour de Corse

    The last (private) effort before the still born Group B rally machine for Porsche (that is the 959) was the 911 SC RS which was run by David Richard's Autosport team (what is now known as Prodrive). They campained the car in 1984 with Henri Toivonen in the European Championship, which should have won hadn't it been for an accident which kept him out of rallying for several months. In the end the 959 never came and Group was banned in 1986, so in 1986 ends the history of Porsche with rallying.


    Roger Clark in one of his last rallies the 1984 RAC Rally, in a 911 SC RS

    There was one other forgotten car of the Porsche rallying history and that is the 924 Turbo, which was campained quietly by Porsche in the early 80's and privately by Walter Rohrl in the German National Championship in 1981 (after Mercedes-Benz had withdrawn from rallying and left him without a drive for 1981). But this car had never worthy results.


    Walter's privately run 924 Turbo in the 1981 German Rally Championship

    End of Porsche rallying history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaigra
    I think he may have been talking about this one:

    1978 911 SC I think
    Don't for get this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiggs
    Don't for get this one...

    It techinically isn't a rally car in the exact definition. It is a raid car. It ran in 1985 and 1986 as Porsche's works effort in the Paris-Dakar failing to win in 1985, but achieving victory in 1986. But even though this was to be Porsche's answer to the Group B rally regulations, never made it to a rally stage, so in truthit isn't a rally car.
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    Audi for Q-MAN! what ells!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukehow
    FORD FORD FORD
    First On Race Day.
    am i correct.
    You bet

    Henry's first car was a racer. The only manufacturer older than Ford in the poll would be Mercedes. Mother Ford really does have a great competition heritage, almost 100 years old, and in virtually all categories of motorsport. Surely they deserve inclusion?

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    Another manufacturer that deserves to be included in the list is Alfa Romeo. F1, Touring Cars, Endurance racers, even some rally cars.
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