In RACING terminology, which marque is your favourite?
My favourite is Porsche. Just look at their achievements:
24 hours of LeMans
24 hours of Datyona
24 hours of Nurburgring
12 hours of Sebring
CanAm
Targa Florio
Paris-Dakar
FIA-GT
In RACING terminology, which marque is your favourite?
My favourite is Porsche. Just look at their achievements:
24 hours of LeMans
24 hours of Datyona
24 hours of Nurburgring
12 hours of Sebring
CanAm
Targa Florio
Paris-Dakar
FIA-GT
hmmm, honda or posrsche-they both have extremely impressive racing histories.
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You left out some of the victories af Porsche...Originally Posted by sunk
4-times winner of the Rally Montecarlo (and other WRC rallyes)
1970 International Makes Chamiponship (the forerunner of the WRC)
Various times winner of the Sportscars Championship (or whatever names this kind of championship has had over the years)
European Rallycross winner
And I suppose a lot more (including national championships af all kinds).
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Ummm... can you tell me the name of this rallying Porsche ?Originally Posted by Ferrer
I think he may have been talking about this one:Originally Posted by sunk
1978 911 SC I think
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Porsche Rallying history, Part 1.Originally Posted by Vaigra
It was with this particular 911 that Porsche made their last works entry in the WRC, in the 1978 Safari Rally. Drivers were Bjorn Waldegaard and Vic Preston Jr., which finished fifth and second respectively, altough Waldegaard had led the rally easily until he had shock absorber trouble.
But the history of Porsche rallying starts much earlier. They first entered unoficially with 356 Coupe's in the late 50's and early 60's. Then in 1965 two very different machines debuted in rallying at the Montecarlo. Those were the Porsche 904 Carrera GTS and the Porsche 911. The 904 was second overall with Eugen Böhringer at the wheel and the 911 was fifth overall with Herbert Linge driving. But it was the 911 the car that would carry Porsche fortunes in rallying.
1965 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS
1965 Porsche 911 Coupe
By then 911's started winning. Their rear engine give thme good traction and they were moderately powerful, so they were usually notching top results in International rallyes. Their first win was in the 1966 Deustchland Rally with a 911 crewed by Klass/Wütherlich. Some of the big wins of the 911 in 2-litre form include the Swedish, Montecarlo and Sanremo rallies in 1968 and the Montecarlo, Swedish, Acropolis and Tour de Corse rallies in 1969.
Pauli Toivonen winning the 1969 Acropolis in his works 911S
The 911 evolved into 2.2-litre and later 2.5-litre forms, and finally after coming third in 1968 and second in 1969, in 1970 they won the International Chapionship for makes winning in the process the Montecarlo, the Swedish and the Austrian Alpine. But then the decline of Porsche as a works team in rallying started. They were probably more interested in track-racing, and slowly Porsche's became the default choice for top privateers, amongst of them the Almeras Freres, whom still got some victories for the 911.
Gerard Larousse in the 1970 Montecarlo Rally at the wheel of his 911S
In 1971 Porsche emplyed the 914/6 as their works car in Montecarlo, but the car simply wasn't suited to rallying, as for the perfect balance the mid-engine layout gave it was underpowered. All Waldegaard could manage was a third overall. Instead Porsche slowly turned their atention to the Safari Rally. They made their first visit to the Safari in 1969, were Sobieslaw Zasada finished sixth. In 1970 Zasada led overall at half way only to retire with a broken sump. In 1971 Zasada was fifth and second overall in the 1972 edition. As you can see this was to be Porsche love affair with the Safari, always there, never winning.
1970 Porsche 914/6
Afetr the non-finish result in the 1973 Safari with the new 911 Carrera RS, Portsche was back in 1974, in a year they so nearly won, hadn't it been for the schock-absorber trouble that affected Waldegaard's car in the las stages of the rally. After that Porsche forgot about the Safari for a while, but the 911 was back in business in 1978 when it won the Monte Carlo rally for a fourth time, in the hands of Jean Pierre Nicolas in a Alemras Freres 911 Carrera RS 3.0.
Waldegaard and his 911 Carrera RS in the 1974 East African Safari
Jean Pierre Nicolas winning the 1978 Montecarlo in his private Porsche
End of part 1.
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Don't for get this one...Originally Posted by Vaigra
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The things we do for girls who won't sleep with us.
Patrick says:
dads is too long so it wont fit
so i took hers out
and put mine in
It techinically isn't a rally car in the exact definition. It is a raid car. It ran in 1985 and 1986 as Porsche's works effort in the Paris-Dakar failing to win in 1985, but achieving victory in 1986. But even though this was to be Porsche's answer to the Group B rally regulations, never made it to a rally stage, so in truthit isn't a rally car.Originally Posted by Quiggs
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Honda is not up there
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there are more than 9 racing teams in motorsport you know.. I would choose Williams F1 or Subaru SWRT.
i was trying to shortlist some of the best and most popularOriginally Posted by Cotterik
i would chose Honda, put it up there, please
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how do i make a change now??Originally Posted by CHEESE-TACULAR
how do i make a change now??Originally Posted by CHEESE-TACULAR
What exactly has Honda won as a manufacturer?
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