Holden Deawoo SAAB????

[crisis]

Holden or Saab
- your call
AUSTRALIAN Fleets now have a one-stop shop for both Holden and Saab vehicles under a new arrangement that will see Fleet sales of both lines managed by Holden’s restructured Fleet operation.
This means Fleet Managers can mix and match Holden and Saab vehicles on their fleets under a single, more flexible fleet arrangement, opening up a wider choice of vehicles at competitive pricing.
The joint Fleet sales organisation is made possible by the fact that Saab and Holden are both subsidiaries of General Motors. The companies recently merged some of their Australian administrative operations for greater efficiencies and reduced costs, for the ultimate benefit of customers.
Saab 9-3 and 9-5 models are complementary to the Holden product range, offering a European prestige alternative that will appeal to a broad range of Fleet and novated lease drivers – at transactions levels not previously available. So if you haven’t considered a Saab as a Fleet vehicle before, now’s the time. For all Fleet inquiries, call the Holden Fleet Customer Assistance Centre on 1300 559-696.
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[fpv_gtho]

Fleet Saabs.......doesnt exactly roll off the tonque

[SlickHolden]

I think saab moved in down at holden HQ last year?

[fpv_gtho]

GM at its finest again i suppose....

[SlickHolden]

Trust GM to give you one right up the pooper

Next thing they will have holden sell all the GM cars here as Holden. Sell about 60 Differnt models to save money

If GM ran the AFL they would have all games at MCG To save money and have all the clubs share house's and towls

[fpv_gtho]

Its funny reading on the GM forums, its not about Holden, Daewoo, Saab etc, its all just GM to them. Holden may have near 15% market share, but to them its GM having near 15% market here

[crisis]

OK! Nothing has actually changed. GM has done this since its beginnings.
A bit of history.
William C. Durant had doubts about relying on a single manufacturer with a single line, and decided that a consortium of automobile makers would be able to support one another, and if parts suppliers were acquired, then the consortium would be self-supporting: this seems to have worked well for Henry Ford's company which manufactured its own steel thus enabling them to carry on assembly when other rival companies had to lay-off workers because of shortages, strikes, etc. Thus, Durant went on a buying spree. Durant attended a meeting of The Big Four, with Benjamin Briscoe of Maxwell-Briscoe who called the meeting, Henry Ford, and Ransom Olds, now the head of REO Motor Car Company. The idea collapsed, but Durant proceeded nevertheless and formed the General Motors Company in New Jersey on 16 September 1908 with an exchange of Buick and General Motors stock, after Durant had obtained an option to buy 75% of Olds Motor Works stock [which he then exercised] and six weeks after General Motors was formed, Durant exchanged his Olds stock for General Motors stock. In 1910, the entire Buick organisation, which included the Jackson, Church and Wilcox Company in Saginaw, Michigan, became part of the General Motors Company of Michigan and the Jackson, Church and Wilcox Company became known as the Jacox Company instead. General Motors Company was incorporated on September 16 1908 in Hudson County, New Jersey, U.S.A. The Chevrolet Motor Company incorporation papers were signed on November 2 1911, with the place of business listed as Detroit, and papers were filed and recorded with the Secretary of State of Michigan the next day in Lansing, Michigan so November 3, 1911 became the incorporation date. GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION was incorporated in Delaware on October 13, 1916, with an increased capital of $100 million. Chevrolet joined General Motors Corporation in May 1918: Chevrolet Motor Company sold its assets to General Motors Corporation for about $32 million worth of G.M. stock and also sold its Scripps-Booth stock to G.M. for the balance in G.M. stock.

[crisis]

GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION ACQUIRED COMPANIES


BUICK MOTOR
OLDS MOTOR WORKS
OAKLAND MOTOR
CADILLAC MOTOR

By 1909 GM Board had acquired:
ELMORE MANUFACTURING
EWING AUTOMOBILE
MARQUETTE MOTOR
RAINIER MOTOR CAR
GARLAND MOTOR

Trucks:
RAPID MOTOR VEHICLE 1908
RELIANCE MOTOR TRUCK 1909 to form GENERAL MOTORS TRUCK

Also:
W.F. STEWART COMPANY 1908 BODIES
NORTHWAY MOTOR & MANUFACTURING COMPANY 1909 MOTORS /TRANS/GEARS
MICHIGAN AUTO PARTS COMPANY 1909 MOTORS/TRANS/GEARS
SAEGER ENGINE WORKS1909 MOTORS/TRANSMISSIONS/GEARS
WESTON-MOTT COMPANY 1909 WHEELS/AXLES
DOW RIM COMPANY 1909 WHEEL RIMS
HEANY LAMP COMPANY 1910 AUTOMOTIVE LAMPS
HEANY ELECTRIC COMPANY 1910 AUTOMOTIVE LAMPS
TIPLESS LAMP COMPANY 1910 AUTOMOTIVE LAMPS
NOVELTY INCANDESCENT LAMP COMPANY 1910 AUTOMOTIVE LAMPS
CHAMPION IGNITION COMPANY 1910 SPARK PLUGS
JACKSON-CHURCH-WILCOX 1910 MOTORS/TRANSMISSIONS/GEARS
MICHIGAN MOTOR CASTINGS COMPANY 1910 MOTORS/TRANSMISSIONS/ GEARS

Then:

ARMSTRONG SPRING COMPANY 1923 AUTO SPRINGS
BROWN-LIPE-CHAPIN 1922 DIFFERENTIAL GEARS
CROSLEY RADIO-KOKOMO Plant 1936 AUTO RADIOS
DAYTON ENGINEERING LABORATORIES 1918 AUTO PARTS
DAY FAN ELECTRIC COMPANY 1929 AUTO RADIOS
DELCO-LIGHT COMPANY, 1919 LIGHTING SYSTEMS
DOMESTIC ENGINEERING COMPANY 1919 ELECTRIC MOTORS
FISHER BODY COMPANY 1926 AUTO BODIES
FLEETWOOD BODY CORPORATION 1926 AUTO BODIES
GUIDE LAMP COMPANY 1928 AUTO PARTS
KLAXON COMPANY 1919 AUTO PARTS
LIBERTY STARTER COMPANY 1932 AUTO PARTS
NEW DEPARTURE MANUFACTURING COMPANY 1918 AUTO PARTS
PACKARD ELECTRIC COMPANY 1932 AUTO PARTS
PERLMAN RIM CORPORATION 1918 AUTO PARTS
TOLEDO CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY 1918 TRANSMISSIONS/GEARS
ST LOUIS MANUFACTURING CORPORATION 1918 AUTO BODIES
CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY OF BAY CITY 1918 MOTOR PARTS/AXLES
JAXON STEEL PRODUCTS COMPANY 1918 AUTO PARTS
HYATT ROLLER BEARING COMPANY 1918 AUTO PARTS
MICHIGAN CRANKSHAFT COMPANY 1919 AUTO PARTS
NATIONAL PLATE GLASS 1926 PLATE GLASS
NORTH EAST ELECTRIC COMPANY 1929 AUTO ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT
REMY ELECTRIC COMPANY 1918 AUTO PARTS
SAGINAW MALLEABLE IRON COMPANY 1918-20 AUTO PARTS
TERNSTEDT MANUFACTURING COMPANY 1926 AUTO BODY HARDWARE/STAMPINGS
UNITED MOTORS CORPORATION 1918 AUTO PARTS
T.W. WARNER COMPANY 1921 AUTO PARTS
YELLOW TRUCK 1925
HERTZ RENT-A-CAR 1925?
MARTIN-PARRY BODIES March? 1930

By 1920 Vehicle companies:
CARTERCAR
RANDOLPH MOTOR CAR
WELCH MOTOR CAR
CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY OF DELAWARE
CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY OF CALIFORNIA
CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY OF MICHIGAN
CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY OF NEW YORK
CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY OF TEXAS
LITTLE MOTOR
INTERSTATE MOTOR CAR
NATIONAL MOTOR TRUCK 1918
SCRIPPS-BOOTH
SHERIDAN
INDUSTRIAL TERMINAL-SAXON
PLUS FRIGIDAIRE [NEE GUARDIAN REFRIGERATOR]

Also:

FLXIBLE COMPANY was incorporated in Ohio, April 9th 1914. Its first President was Charles F. Kettering. Kettering joined GM in 1916 and the two companies became interlocked. Kettering was a Vice-President, Director and Shareholder of GM from 1929 to 1958. He was President of Flxible from 1915 to 1940, Chairman of the Board 1940 to 1958, Director 1915 to 1958 and the largest individual stockholder, 1915 to 1958.


And:

BEDFORD MOTORS LIMITED, London, England, 1911 [1912 GENERAL MOTORS (EUROPE) LIMITED
GENERAL MOTORS EXPORT, 1911
GENERAL MOTORS COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED, Walkerville, Ontario, 1912
OAKLAND MOTOR COMPANY LIMITED, London, England, 1913


GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LIMITED COMPANIES
McLAUGHLIN MOTOR AND CARRIAGE COMPANY LIMITED
FISHER BODY COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED, 1912
CHEVROLET MOTOR COMPANY LIMITED, 1915
GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LIMITED, 1918
McLAUGHLIN MOTOR COMPANY LIMITED, 1919
CANADIAN PRODUCTS LIMITED, 1919
UNITED MOTORS SERVICE COMPANY LIMITED, 1919?
OLDS MOTOR WORKS OF CANADA LIMITED, 1920
OAKLAND MOTOR COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED, 1921
CADILLAC MOTOR COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED, 1923
GENERAL MOTORS TRUCK COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED, 1923
GENERAL MOTORS PRODUCTS OF CANADA LIMITED, 1925
GENERAL MOTORS TRUCK & COACH COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED, 1927
McKINNON INDUSTRIES LIMITED, 1929, AXLES, TRANSMISSIONS, CASTINGS [1935], AND AC, DELCO PRODUCTS [1931]

Plus FRIGIDAIRE LIMITED
DELCO-LIGHT COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED

[Ride 440]

(poops)

[2ndclasscitizen]

they definately like buying stuff don't they

[SlickHolden]

They like to buy and they love to kill off. They remind me of someone that would buy the next door competition out just to close them down.
In that list there are many names that are no longer around.

[fpv_gtho]

Alot of companies never made it throgh WW2 after turning to tank, ship and plane manufacturer, whilst others had to merge like Hudson and some other one that became AMC

[dz0k52]

Crisis's post a few threads back caught my eye. I work at a GM plant in Windsor Ontario Canada. Our plant is situated in the former Walkerville (Town built by Hiram Walker) Unfortunately we are closing in June of 2010 and are actually planning a "celebration" of the 90 years GM has been in Windsor. We are trying to piece together our history in terms of products and years. We are pretty sure that we were formerly Canadian Product Company which built engines for GM prior to 1920. (BTW we have produced transmissions for the last 45 years), Crisis's post shows GM buying GM of Canada (Walkerville) in 1912. Just wondering what the source of that information is. If this is the same site, it would date us 8 years earlier than we previously thought! Can anyone help with this.

[debangshu24]

Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen

they definately like buying stuff don't they

you bet

[ronbros]

I feel sad about this whole damn thing!
sad for the Saturn brand(which finally became good cars)
really sad for Pontiac, including the Australian Pontiacs. LOL,LOL

but things change, and nothing lasts forever