FPV F6 Typhoon

[fpv_gtho]

FPV plans to take the MMS by storm with the F6 Typhoon Concept, making approximately 280kw and if they use the tremec manual, more than 500nm. so far only drawings have been issued but what can be seen is the basics of the bodykit similar to that of the V8 models, different alloy wheels, no bonnet bulge and possibly a smaller rear spoiler. HSV wont be sitting around doing nothing either and with rumours of a 320kw GTS, to a GTSX arriving its anyones guess what they'll show. Maybe a 6.0L GTS stroker?

[crisis]

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

FPV plans to take the MMS by storm with the F6 Typhoon Concept, making approximately 280kw and if they use the tremec manual, more than 500nm. so far only drawings have been issued but what can be seen is the basics of the bodykit similar to that of the V8 models, different alloy wheels, no bonnet bulge and possibly a smaller rear spoiler. HSV wont be sitting around doing nothing either and with rumours of a 320kw GTS, to a GTSX arriving its anyones guess what they'll show. Maybe a 6.0L GTS stroker?

Its about time. I was starting to get bored.

[Wouter Melissen]

The press release:

This dynamic new production concept will add another dimension to the exciting evolution of FPV and build on the success it has generated since the launch of the GT, GT-P and Pursuit ute last year.

“This is the beginning of a new era for Ford Performance Vehicles,” says David Flint, Managing Director of Ford Performance Vehicles.

“When we announced the formation of Ford Performance Vehicles we promised to create the broadest range of locally-developed high-performance vehicles in Australia. We believe the exciting F6 Typhoon is the next step in delivering that promise – but certainly not the last.”

“We raised the bar in the V8 segment with the GT, and we believe the F6 Typhoon will further strengthen our position as the technical leaders in the tribal high-performance vehicle market. It will demonstrate our commitment to providing a family of cars that offer a Total Performance package.”

The F6 Typhoon will be powered by a high-performance turbo-charged and intercooled 4.0-litre six cylinder engine that is certain to provide exhilarating performance. More information, including power and torque outputs, will be released at the Melbourne Motor Show on February 27.

[fpv_gtho]

with a starting price at around $55K this will probably sell like hotcakes. this is proof enough for me something like the GTHO's going to be released again, cause i think FPV would want their V8 back as their fastest model. first the XR6T beat the XR8 now this is gunna wipe the floor clean with the GT and give the clubby a real challenge in the performance stakes. just hope ford are trying to get around their problems with launching

[SHAKER]

you got to question whehter a v8 will be viable now though, with only its second upgrade and a 40 kw boost, thats pretty impressive, although i think Ford should keep the xr6, xr6t, xr8, gt, gtp and with the typhoon(first ive heard of it today actually) bump it up as THE high performace turbo ...(not that the xr6t is any slouch). They should make a GTHO and it should be a thorobread racer to race in GT Perfomance catagory and the nations cup series aswell...(aka bathurst 24 hour!) It should be light weight, and have minimal features (delete such features as air, elecy windows etc) and make it a true high horsepower limited edition weapon. I think itll be very important to keep the weight down though, and make it as light as possible, as i feel the falcons are getting to heavy to be considering a real threat to the evos and wrxs let alone the GTS and the clubsport.

[fpv_gtho]

well comparing the XR6T and the triton V8, the V8's got torque going for it and a much stronger transmission range.

if the GTHO comes out, it may have to be put in nations cup if it needs things like 1500kg, AWD, 6 speed, 400kw, 6 piston calipers, 200L fuel tank.....all that crap to make it faster than its turbo brothers. that'll be too much for GT Performance to handle, but maybe not quite enough for Nations Cup.

ive also heard somewhere that the TR-3650 tranny doesnt fit on the 6 cylinder as its a one piece bell housing and transmission housing

[Falcon500]

I dont know about that personally theyll more then likly hobble it to keep it in gt-p or they wont allow the proclaimed ho to race unless its invitational (why do you think they let the 427 race? proclaimed low numbers with a price tag to match and proven performance from the 24 hour corvettes)...i doubt theyll put AWD on it yet....i hope they dont anyways 6 gears would be ok 1500kg weight would be great (how they would achive that with out exotic materials is beyond me) 6 piston calipers wouldbe nice although a 200liter fuel tank might be a bit of overkill unless its enduro raceing.
as far as the typhoon is concerned all the power to them fpv has already sold 1300 vehicals this year and looks like they want to expand give them a few more years and i think theyll seriously be sticking it to "australia 6th biggest manufactuor" (HSV)

[crisis]

Originally Posted by SHAKER

They should make a GTHO and it should be a thorobread racer to race in GT Perfomance catagory and the nations cup series aswell...(aka bathurst 24 hour!) It should be light weight, and have minimal features (delete such features as air, elecy windows etc) and make it a true high horsepower limited edition weapon. I think itll be very important to keep the weight down though, and make it as light as possible, as i feel the falcons are getting to heavy to be considering a real threat to the evos and wrxs let alone the GTS and the clubsport.

Most people want all of those goodies when they pay in excess of $60000 for a car ( which is what something like this would cost ). A lot of people like to show them off to their freinds and dont want to hear things like "what no electric windows, my BMW has them". The assumption that FPV will wipe the floor with HSV is interesting. FPV severely undercut the price of comparitive HSVs but HSV responded by upping the output and matching the price ie R8 vs GT. The GT has the engine numbers but performance wise they are line ball. FPV has to win sales , HSV only has to retain them so the balls stil a little in HSVs court. This and the fact that HSV have added the Coupe 4 and Avalanche kind of shores them up by weight of product range alone. FPV is great for Ford fans and indirectly a bonus for Holden fans by way of lighting the fire under HSVs arse to ensure they dont get complacent. FPV hinging their hopes on a turbo 6 is also interesting with the traditional Aussie supercar market being V8 focussed.

[fpv_gtho]

Originally Posted by crisis

FPV hinging their hopes on a turbo 6 is also interesting with the traditional Aussie supercar market being V8 focussed.

FPV realise this and thats their plan. they want to sell V8's but they dont want to limit themselves to V8's and have indirectly mentioned they dont want to follow HSV's path in that sense. If David Flint got the developmetn money and the go ahead, thered be FPV Fiesta's, Focus's, Falcons, Fairlanes, Territory's but i dont think he'd touch the Explorer, Courier or F series.

maybe a hint to what is instore for the GTHO, someone inside FPV, i think one of the chief technical guru's said on the possibility of a supercharger sitting atop the BOSS's vee that it would be a backwards step in technology, and FPV want to move forward. with that i guess the only forced induction possibilities are a vortec type centrifugal supercharger, as i highly doubt theres room for a couple of snails hanging off the block or a side block mounted supercharger.

but then again, its the heads that have the most trouble finding room so something like twin turbo might not be out of the equation

[crisis]

Do these guys know where their market is? Or are they trying to creat a new one. All that you have said is great. Traditionally though, Ford and Holden fans have wanted V8s. We'll see how it gos.

[fpv_gtho]

australians do want V8's, thats right. perhaps thats why the GT is supposedly still going to be 10kw more powerful than the Typhoon, but that wont be enough to keep it quicker, it has enough trouble staying just quicker than the 240kw XR6T and even then more often then not the XR6T is faster.

also dont forget that cars like the VL Turbo, XU-1 torana and the old chargers havent gone down as hated cars as a result of their 6 cylinder power. with the release of the Typhoon though, it would be nice to see the GT crack 300kw. FPV can do it regardless of all theyre comments of the BOSS 290 being against the wall in terms of efficiency, its only been since the Y series 2, DJR HP320 and the Typhoon that theyve needed a reason for more power

[SHAKER]

Originally Posted by crisis

Most people want all of those goodies when they pay in excess of $60000 for a car ( which is what something like this would cost ). A lot of people like to show them off to their freinds and dont want to hear things like "what no electric windows, my BMW has them". The assumption that FPV will wipe the floor with HSV is interesting. FPV severely undercut the price of comparitive HSVs but HSV responded by upping the output and matching the price ie R8 vs GT. The GT has the engine numbers but performance wise they are line ball. FPV has to win sales , HSV only has to retain them so the balls stil a little in HSVs court. This and the fact that HSV have added the Coupe 4 and Avalanche kind of shores them up by weight of product range alone. FPV is great for Ford fans and indirectly a bonus for Holden fans by way of lighting the fire under HSVs arse to ensure they dont get complacent. FPV hinging their hopes on a turbo 6 is also interesting with the traditional Aussie supercar market being V8 focussed.

People do expect extra options on a car if they WANT extra options, as the GTHO should be kept to a limited number(say 500) It wouldnt be a profitable car for Ford, it would prob cost them money as it did withthe PHASE 3, but it would showcase there ability to produce a race/road car and enter it in either gtp or nations cup series.....If you want the extras you would buy a GTP. The GTHO would be a thorobread racer (such as the gt porsches in europe) and i believe should have minimal features as most of them would be bought buy people in the motor racing fraternity anyway, it would be more of a bragging rights car than a car for an average jo blo.

[fpv_gtho]

its a hard debate about what ford should do for a BA GTHO. everyones got their opinion based on what the original cars were, but more often then not their vision is clouded. most people think the GTHO's were stripped out racers specifically for the track with a rumbling V8. well thats only because when the PH1, 2 and 3 came out, what the GTHO provided was a luxury filled track car.

because of this, i believe that any attempt at a BA GTHO should be based off the GT-P. stiffen and lower the suspension as well as anything else ol' Johnny Bowe reckons needs doing, stick a V8 engine with far more power than 290kw, 6 speed transmission, be it auto or manual just have some manual mode on it and sell that to the public.

Then, in the options list, have things like replacing the leather, 6/8 way electric sports seats with fixed carbon fibre buckets, removal of audio system, removal of air con, removal of back seats, removal of 90% of sound deadening, all things people want done to it to have it a pure track car, all as delete options and without telling anyone except the buyer offer some rebate for getting rid of such luxury options.

on top of that, perhaps even offer options such as weight reduction of bodypanels including such methods of removing the ribbing from the bonnet and boot etc, foam filling doors after theve been stripped and fitting some sort of roll cage. have the option to blue print the motor as well i reckon, HSV done it with the GTS-R so why shouldnt fpv do it?? for those exclusive buyers who posess a CAMS motorsport license, offer to remove the speed and possibly even rev limiter completely.

the only problem with all that of course, is who would offer warranty on such a beast

[SHAKER]

Originally Posted by fpv_gtho

its a hard debate about what ford should do for a BA GTHO. everyones got their opinion based on what the original cars were, but more often then not their vision is clouded. most people think the GTHO's were stripped out racers specifically for the track with a rumbling V8. well thats only because when the PH1, 2 and 3 came out, what the GTHO provided was a luxury filled track car.

because of this, i believe that any attempt at a BA GTHO should be based off the GT-P. stiffen and lower the suspension as well as anything else ol' Johnny Bowe reckons needs doing, stick a V8 engine with far more power than 290kw, 6 speed transmission, be it auto or manual just have some manual mode on it and sell that to the public.

Then, in the options list, have things like replacing the leather, 6/8 way electric sports seats with fixed carbon fibre buckets, removal of audio system, removal of air con, removal of back seats, removal of 90% of sound deadening, all things people want done to it to have it a pure track car, all as delete options and without telling anyone except the buyer offer some rebate for getting rid of such luxury options.

on top of that, perhaps even offer options such as weight reduction of bodypanels including such methods of removing the ribbing from the bonnet and boot etc, foam filling doors after theve been stripped and fitting some sort of roll cage. have the option to blue print the motor as well i reckon, HSV done it with the GTS-R so why shouldnt fpv do it?? for those exclusive buyers who posess a CAMS motorsport license, offer to remove the speed and possibly even rev limiter completely.

the only problem with all that of course, is who would offer warranty on such a beast

I wish i knew how to just paste the peice of print i wanted to.......But anyway, what you say about the GTHO(phase 1,2 and 3) isnt completely true fpv, although they were given extra items, most of these items were for safety more than luxury, as they did not have aircon or power steering or a moon roof as an option(as was optional on the standard GT).They did how ever come out with beefed up suspension,bigger brakes, extra driving lights, bonnet pins,front and rear spoilers, sports tacho (not to mention the mechanical performance upgrade). Most of these items that were put on the car did serve as a purpose, mainly to make the cars safer at high speed(although the spoilers are debatable and they do look better without them)!!

[fpv_gtho]

well the front spoiler at least restricted cooling and the rear spoiler had no purpose. but my original point was the original HO's werent built the way they were just simply to win bathurst or anything. ford built them off the fairmont with luxury AND sports equipment, and yet everyone it seems who wants the GTHO to return wants it as a bare bones racer. i just think the buying public should be given the option of both