'69 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Cornering Photos

[henk4]

Originally Posted by nota

This is exactly what your UCP photographer (in borrowed C5) wants you to believe...

there are already enough diesel cars on track there, he does not need to make another point...

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by henk4

there are already enough diesel cars on track there, he does not need to make another point...

No, but he wants to have fun...

[henk4]

Originally Posted by Ferrer

No, but he wants to have fun...

you cannot have fun with a diesel car and you know that...

[Ferrer]

Originally Posted by henk4

you cannot have fun with a diesel car and you know that...

They aren't as fun as petrol cars, that's right.

But if you are comitted enough...

[LandQuail]

Originally Posted by henk4

which is not really what cornering is all about, but we have to wait for your cars at speed...I may be able to do a few shots next week myself. (My car and the UCP photographer just left for Le Mans )

JESUS, NO, DON'T DO THAT!!!

Nobody ever survived cornering at speed in a 69 Caddy! Henk's trying to KILL YOU!!!

Henk must be stopped. Any of us could be next.

Those cars are made to collect prostitutes, and they're as suited for their purpose as a Porsche 917 is to the Mulsanne. Great car. I mean it. I love the full-fat luxury and Caligula-esque excess of late-60s Caddys. Kudos on seeing what it can do chassis-wise in a deserted car park, but please don't get any ideas about hustling it down a twisty road.

Congrats on a great car.

[Fleet 500]

Originally Posted by LandQuail

JESUS, NO, DON'T DO THAT!!!

Nobody ever survived cornering at speed in a 69 Caddy! Henk's trying to KILL YOU!!!

Don't worry, I'll be alright. I have gone 50-55 mph around curves posted at 35 mph before... the only difference will be a camera will be taking a photo of it! The plan is still to use Big Tujunga Canyon.

Henk must be stopped. Any of us could be next.

How about recall election?

Those cars are made to collect prostitutes, and they're as suited for their purpose as a Porsche 917 is to the Mulsanne. Great car. I mean it. I love the full-fat luxury and Caligula-esque excess of late-60s Caddys. Kudos on seeing what it can do chassis-wise in a deserted car park, but please don't get any ideas about hustling it down a twisty road.

Sorry, my mind is made up... sooner or later, you are going to see photos of both Cads on UCP going 60 mph!

Congrats on a great car.

Thanks. Sometimes I walk into the garage and just look at it. Incidentally, when I drove it yesterday and took the turning pics, it had just turned 95,000 miles on the odometer.

[LandQuail]

Ah, there's no talking sense into you then. However, now that I've read your profile, I know you're old enough to make your own decisions.

Again, congratulations on your car, and I'm sure you'll have a blast reaping the unlikely benefits of hustling your road-going yacht through the canyon. I would suggest letting the engine do the walking and talking on the straightish bits and leaving the corners to caution, rather than to the (you've got to admit) dubious chassis and brakes.

Again, and I can't stress enough, you've got a fantastic car on your hands. Too many of these have been lost to demolition derbys and similarly careless owners. My hat's off to you for seeing the joy of owning a true American Car.

[Fleet 500]

Originally Posted by LandQuail

Ah, there's no talking sense into you then. However, now that I've read your profile, I know you're old enough to make your own decisions.

Yeah, I guess I am old enough.

Again, congratulations on your car, and I'm sure you'll have a blast reaping the unlikely benefits of hustling your road-going yacht through the canyon. I would suggest letting the engine do the walking and talking on the straightish bits and leaving the corners to caution, rather than to the (you've got to admit) dubious chassis and brakes.

Finding the right curve will take some time. I want one which isn't so tight that I can't go through it at 60 mph, yet I want one tight enough to really test the suspension. I'll probably downshift just before the curves. But I should find what I want without too much trouble- that road has a lot of curves. And it's local which is a big help.

Again, and I can't stress enough, you've got a fantastic car on your hands. Too many of these have been lost to demolition derbys and similarly careless owners. My hat's off to you for seeing the joy of owning a true American Car.

I know... too bad a lot have been destroyed. But there are a lot available at places like ebay, Hemmings and auto trader. And there were a pretty sizable amount of '69 Fleetwood Broughams built. Mine is #15,062 of 17,300.

[Fleet 500]

Originally Posted by LandQuail

Again, congratulations on your car, and I'm sure you'll have a blast reaping the unlikely benefits of hustling your road-going yacht through the canyon. I would suggest letting the engine do the walking and talking on the straightish bits and leaving the corners to caution, rather than to the (you've got to admit) dubious chassis and brakes.

Now, if I owned a '60s Lincoln instead of a Cadillac, I probably wouldn't try this test.
See what I mean below...?

[henk4]

Originally Posted by Fleet 500

Now, if I owned a '60s Lincoln instead of a Cadillac, I probably wouldn't try this test.
See what I mean below...?

just a suggestion for your pictures: try to find a sequence of left and right handers...This Lincoln that you shows "hangs" into a lefthander, and would probably have little problems if that led into a straight. Now the interesting part comes when a righthander immediately follows up, and the body has to cope with hanging to the other side. That is where the suspension really gets tested. (or just send the car through an elk test with pylons if you don't want to endanger your fellow road users.... )

[Fleet 500]

Originally Posted by henk4

just a suggestion for your pictures: try to find a sequence of left and right handers...This Lincoln that you shows "hangs" into a lefthander, and would probably have little problems if that led into a straight. Now the interesting part comes when a righthander immediately follows up, and the body has to cope with hanging to the other side. That is where the suspension really gets tested. (or just send the car through an elk test with pylons if you don't want to endanger your fellow road users.... )

Good idea about a "left" followed by a "right" or vice-versa.
There should be a stretch of road like that where I plan to look.

There should not be much traffic during the week which is when I plan to drive up there. Even on weekends it's never very busy.

[LandQuail]

Originally Posted by henk4

just a suggestion for your pictures: try to find a sequence of left and right handers...This Lincoln that you shows "hangs" into a lefthander, and would probably have little problems if that led into a straight. Now the interesting part comes when a righthander immediately follows up, and the body has to cope with hanging to the other side. That is where the suspension really gets tested. (or just send the car through an elk test with pylons if you don't want to endanger your fellow road users.... )

Elk test? Well, at least it won't fall over; being built like a paving stone.

You might not dodge the elk, but only one car I've ever heard of puts its occupants in danger of actually falling off the road.

A-Class, anyone?

(now that's a joke you can sink you teeth into.)

[henk4]

Originally Posted by LandQuail

Elk test? Well, at least it won't fall over; being built like a paving stone.

You might not dodge the elk, but only one car I've ever heard of puts its occupants in danger of actually falling off the road.

A-Class, anyone?

(now that's a joke you can sink you teeth into.)

It is the A-Class that made the elk test famous......and resulted in the ESP system that virtually all modern cars now have standard....
The last a car failed the elk test and toppled over was when a Dacia Logan was sent through the pylons by a German magazine. Unfortunately these Germans forgot to apply the correct tires pressures, so they had to bury their heads in shame...

[Fleet 500]

Originally Posted by henk4

It is the A-Class that made the elk test famous......and resulted in the ESP system that virtually all modern cars now have standard....
The last a car failed the elk test and toppled over was when a Dacia Logan was sent through the pylons by a German magazine. Unfortunately these Germans forgot to apply the correct tires pressures, so they had to bury their heads in shame...

Really? It toppled over?
I did factor in tire pressure. I keep 32 psi in my cars but I'll pump them up to 35 for the handling test. The pics I posted in the last few days was with 32 psi.

[LandQuail]

Yeah, famously.

It actually fell over. If on the road it would have "fallen off the road": That's a phrase even the most critical road testers have reserved, but with the A-class's elk test, that's what happened.